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some guys with moustaches azerbajorians and some other guys with moustaches albanians are shooting eachother? And a helicopter was shot down, 12 kia. https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/716349792956325889 https://twitter.com/Gayane_RT/status/716353599484379136 https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/716179198856073216   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR2YE0Wz8vM http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35949991 quote:Armenia said 18 ethnic-Armenian soldiers had died in the fighting, among the worst in two decades. Russia - Turkey Proxy War? Baloogan fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/716298145852948480 http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:2ab9524311164c3e81ee326a09ae4389
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Apr 2, 2016 21:10
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Hasnt this area been a point off massive contention/powder keg for decades? and both are one or the other side of the turk/russian stand off.
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Apr 2, 2016 21:17
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deadliest days since 1994 https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/716276318409736192
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Apr 2, 2016 21:18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRNZM25wVTY
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Apr 2, 2016 21:23
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some OTHER guys with moustaches weigh in https://twitter.com/TSmaylov/status/716345028734545920
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Apr 2, 2016 21:27
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Armenia holds a defense treaty with Russia, and Azerbaijan holds one with Turkey if that complicates things enough.
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Apr 2, 2016 21:27
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/t%C3%BCrkiyeseninleazerbaycan?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash this hashtag has a pile of propaganda
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Apr 2, 2016 21:28
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Armenia holds a defense treaty with Russia, and Azerbaijan holds one with Turkey if that complicates things enough. its june 1914 all over again.
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Apr 2, 2016 21:29
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arnt those artillery guns?
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Apr 2, 2016 21:30
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 this thing that looks like it came out of red alert 3 is M1973 im p sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S3_Akatsiya
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Apr 2, 2016 21:34
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Baloogan posted:
Yeah I was gonna say 2S3, last I checked NK has those in their inventory so that would make sense.
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Apr 2, 2016 21:36
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Video of the crashed helicopter:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR2YE0Wz8vM
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Apr 2, 2016 22:16
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fyi dead motherfuckers ^^ so if you dont want to see guys that were living and breathing and trimming their moustaches like yesterday dead burnt on the ground don't watch it lol
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Apr 2, 2016 22:17
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Fun times ahead. Sigh.
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Apr 2, 2016 22:24
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Video of the crashed helicopter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR2YE0Wz8vM This is nsfw/nms. I didn't need to see that.
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Apr 2, 2016 22:36
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So is Nagorno-Karabakh a region that regularly has this amount of violence. I know its heavily contested, but is this different from usual?
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Apr 2, 2016 22:36
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"Russian President Vladimir Putin, meanwhile, urged all sides to cease firing and "show restraint", Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies." What a pussy, Erdogan is clearly the largest man in the region. For shame Putin! I seriously hope this doesn't escalate, last thing we need is another proxy war. But based on the recent Syria deescalation and this comment it seems that maybe Russia is not willing to enter another territorial conflict. Can someone with more knowledge of the region write a small summary about this?
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Apr 2, 2016 22:49
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Mr. Nemo posted:"Russian President Vladimir Putin, meanwhile, urged all sides to cease firing and "show restraint", Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies." Putin pulled down in Ukraine, then the Syrian intervention happened. Now Putin is winding things down in Syria, and this conflict sparks up again.
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Mr. Nemo posted:"Russian President Vladimir Putin, meanwhile, urged all sides to cease firing and "show restraint", Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies." An interesting preview of Donald Trump's opinion on foreign affairs.
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Some analysis from the top Western expert on the region. http://carnegie.ru/commentary/2016/04/02/dangerous-days-in-karabakh/iwiu I spent a little time in the weird old NKR, so I'd be happy to answer any questions from the perspective of a non-Armenian who has traveled there. Dapper_Swindler posted:So is Nagorno-Karabakh a region that regularly has this amount of violence. I know its heavily contested, but is this different from usual? Probably only this many people are killed in flare ups annually -- this is the biggest single-day battle since 1994.
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MothraAttack posted:Some analysis from the top Western expert on the region. I know the war ended in 94. with russian terms heavily favoring Armenia.
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Apr 2, 2016 23:41
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Thump! posted:An interesting preview of Donald Trump's opinion on foreign affairs. trump would probaly let putin take as much as he wanted. he seems to like putin alot.
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Apr 2, 2016 23:41
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Surprise Giraffe posted:This is nsfw/nms. I didn't need to see that. He said it was video of a downed chopper, and aircraft usually have people in them. What in the gently caress did you expect?
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DeusExMachinima posted:He said it was video of a downed chopper, and aircraft usually have people in them. What in the gently caress did you expect? I was more surprised how intact the guy was. also he kinda looked like an orc. that was probably the horrific burns though.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I know the war ended in 94. with russian terms heavily favoring Armenia. Yeah, but to be fair, Azerbaijan didn't have the support from Iran that they were expecting as well. One of the most telling episodes to date in the Iranian regime's foreign policy, might I add.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I was more surprised how intact the guy was. also he kinda looked like an orc. that was probably the horrific burns though. Quite honestly I was expecting blown limbs or twisted parts of the body. Preety tame compared to what I've seen before.
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Apr 3, 2016 01:03
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Such brotherly love gives me high hopes for a new Transcaucasian Republic.
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Apr 3, 2016 01:33
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Azerbaijani-Turkish relations are not as warm as many people assume, and if anything Azerbaijani is far more of a deeply nationalist hermit state that doesn't get along with really anyone. Most Azerbaijanis seem see Turkey as a "frenemy" that shouldn't be fully trusted. I think portraying the conflict as a Russian-Turkish proxy war if anything is not just simplifying the situation but actually just rather false period. If anything it is the continuation of a conflict that goes back to the Russian Civil War. As far as Karabakh, tensions have been ramping up for the past 2 years to go along with the sudden drop in oil and this is one of a series of skirmishes that have taken place. The Manat [Azerbaijan's currency] has more than halved in value, and the temperature is rising in Baku. Azerbaijan itself is nearly a totalitarian state, and if anything an economic collapse has made the regime much more vulnerable than the past.
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Ardennes posted:Azerbaijani-Turkish relations are not as warm as many people assume, and if anything Azerbaijani is far more of a deeply nationalist hermit state that doesn't get along with really anyone. Most Azerbaijanis seem see Turkey as a "frenemy" that shouldn't be fully trusted. I think portraying the conflict as a Russian-Turkish proxy war if anything is not just simplifying the situation but actually just rather false period. If anything it is the continuation of a conflict that goes back to the Russian Civil War. How do Azeris feel about most of them being in Iran?
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Majorian posted:Yeah, but to be fair, Azerbaijan didn't have the support from Iran that they were expecting as well. One of the most telling episodes to date in the Iranian regime's foreign policy, might I add. Can you expand please?
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Back To 99 posted:How do Azeris feel about most of them being in Iran? They are rather ambivalent, relations between Azerbaijan-Iran are still workable at this point and in all honest, the two groups have diverged pretty significantly. Azerbaijanis in Azerbaijan are generally secular, and middle/upper class Azerbaijanis often speak Russian and commonly use Turkish/English. Azerbaijani spoken itself in Azerbaijan also has become quite different and has been heavily influenced by Turkish and Russian [linguistically] and uses a Latin script [after it has been changed about a half a dozen times]. Life in Baku is far closer to life in the rest of the former Soviet Union, and in all honesty, the two cultures have diverged quite a bit. There are obviously still connections between the two, and Iran Azerbaijanis often come to Baku for a good time or to look for a bride, but any real honest attempt at uniting the two died out in the twenties [beyond a puppet state in Northern Iran backed by Stalin].
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MothraAttack posted:
 Please tell us anything about it. Who lives there/is allowed to live or visit there, and how do they feel about the conflict?
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Armenia holds a defense treaty with Russia, and Azerbaijan holds one with Turkey if that complicates things enough. Fortunately NATO's mutual defense provisions are only triggered by attacks on the member itself, not its allies, so there won't be a cascading effect if the absolute worst happens and it gets real. Wonder if Putin's getting frisky because he knows how much Obama loving hates Erdogan; I can't imagine Turkey getting anything out of the US if it asked for help, besides some advice on where to stick it.
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Can we get a thread name change? Just in case this becomes the main thread for this event, which may end up being quite significant internationally. Some people may miss it right now, and I'd like to have as many opinions as possible in here.
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Now this is starting we can finally start to focus on the real tough question. What is WW4 going to be fought with?
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I can't add much to this, other than to point out this article from 2005 that seems well informed on the issue. The tl;dr is that it's the result of the inability of anyone else to act as an effective mediator between two conflicting (and fabricated) national narratives.
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EvilElmo posted:Now this is starting we can finally start to focus on the real tough question. Weaponized shitposts.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Weaponized shitposts. Well, I'll survive.
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The good thing about all this is that for once Serbs are NOT to blame....
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