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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

EngineerSean posted:

Violence is cool.

He started the fight unless you count me dragging him out of the place because he was being a oval office starting it.

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BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK
Jan 26, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

funkybottoms posted:

so countries with little to no white population don't have a mainstream, or is it just totally insignificant?

SHOTS FIRED

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

funkybottoms posted:

so countries with little to no white population don't have a mainstream, or is it just totally insignificant?

His perspective was wrong from the first post he made about it itt so I dunno why you'd expect one further down the line to have any merit either

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010
She should join the Peace Corps or Americorps and do some real good in the world. They don't really let you shout at people so that might be a problem

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

funkybottoms posted:

so countries with little to no white population don't have a mainstream, or is it just totally insignificant?

I had a sweet gig as the Social Acceptability Minister for Zimbabwe, but I had to leave because I'm over six feet tall and felt like I was giving the Pygmy population a pretty raw deal.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

funkybottoms posted:

so countries with little to no white population don't have a mainstream, or is it just totally insignificant?
This is always the dumbest gotcha in existence, we're talking about a western perspective of the problem in a thread of mostly white posters if you wanna start a thread about cultural appropriation in china go ahead.

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.
Cultural appropriation = hobo cosplay.

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010
How about everyone does whatever they want as long as they don't physically or verbally hurt someone else ?

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

im gaye posted:

thats not an appropriation problem "in itself" thats part of a larger dysfunction

singling out appropriation itself is silly because its a fairly benign and very natural process
Yeah for sure i agree with this and even said so in my first post itt, i think its largely an academic topic meant to put words to a problem that is felt by many but not well articulated. This thread consisting of a bunch of people acting like the issue as a whole is entirely made up in the minds of sjws is a pretty good example. Like its possible to both acknowledge that the girl in the op was a big dummy and that having white people be cultural gatekeepers of what is and isn't okay in society can make people feel disenfranchised and excluded from the system.

Al Cowens
Aug 11, 2004

by WE B Bourgeois

Frankenstyle posted:

Cultural appropriation = hobo cosplay.


ArbitraryC posted:

Yeah for sure i agree with this and even said so in my first post itt, i think its largely an academic topic meant to put words to a problem that is felt by many but not well articulated. This thread consisting of a bunch of people acting like the issue as a whole is entirely made up in the minds of sjws is a pretty good example. Like its possible to both acknowledge that the girl in the op was a big dummy and that having white people be cultural gatekeepers of what is and isn't okay in society can make people feel disenfranchised and excluded from the system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7A5OgfP4NA

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

ArbitraryC posted:

This is always the dumbest gotcha in existence, we're talking about a western perspective of the problem in a thread of mostly white posters if you wanna start a thread about cultural appropriation in china go ahead.

So cultural appropriation is like complaining about how the water in my half of the pool keeps getting mixed with the water in your half of the pool.

Hometown Slime Queen
Oct 26, 2004

the GOAT
You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!
*holds protests*

Al Cowens
Aug 11, 2004

by WE B Bourgeois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWOvUxxo59o

How!
Oct 29, 2009

My friend teaches that girl at sfsu. Hes a big old gay biker who teaches a porn class and he lives in a constant state of fear that he will offend somebody.

He teaches a porn class.

Also, minorities depended upon "cultural appropriation" in order to integrate into America in the first place, whats the big deal? St.pattys day rocks.

How! fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 3, 2016

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

How! posted:

My friend teaches that girl at sfsu. Hes a big old gay biker who teaches a porn class and he lives in a constant state of fear that he will offend somebody.

He teaches a porn class.

porn 302 with prof. big gay biker sign me upp

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

How! posted:

My friend teaches that girl at sfsu. Hes a big old gay biker who teaches a porn class and he lives in a constant state of fear that he will offend somebody.

He teaches a porn class.

Well if you're gonna get a degree at least that's one that'll help you pay off your loans.

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

How! posted:

Also, minorities depended upon "cultural appropriation" in order to integrate into America in the first place, whats the big deal? St.pattys day rocks.

the stakes are low and op eds need writing

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
In Thailand they didn't really celebrate birthdays so they didn't have a happy birthday song. When it became general knowledge that people in other countries celebrated birthdays they of course wanted a birthday song to sing. So they just stole the happy birthday song, which they sing in English while clapping a little too quickly for how the song goes, except for the part where it goes "Happy birthday dear Person's Name" they just "Happy birthday, happy birthday happy birthday."

This is cute and a good thing and it shows that Thai people are capable of appreciating and integrating foreign things into their lives. Getting frothy and demanding they not sing happy birthday, or even further that they ought not celebrate birthdays at all because at one time they did not, is really loving stupid. Even if their birthday song is kinda ching chongy and bad.

It's the same for anyone that actually thinks cultural appropriation is a bad thing. It's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with a white woman buying a mumu. It's fine for an Italian to make sushi. Your culture doesn't belong to you, it's not an ownable thing. You have an advantage when you participate in it, be happy to leave it at that.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

ArbitraryC posted:

having white people be cultural gatekeepers of what is and isn't okay in society

This some "chemtrails" kinda poo poo right here

Rasta_Al
Jul 14, 2001

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.
Fun Shoe

Sheep-Goats posted:

In Thailand they didn't really celebrate birthdays so they didn't have a happy birthday song. When it became general knowledge that people in other countries celebrated birthdays they of course wanted a birthday song to sing. So they just stole the happy birthday song, which they sing in English while clapping a little too quickly for how the song goes, except for the part where it goes "Happy birthday dear Person's Name" they just "Happy birthday, happy birthday happy birthday."

This is cute and a good thing and it shows that Thai people are capable of appreciating and integrating foreign things into their lives. Getting frothy and demanding they not sing happy birthday, or even further that they ought not celebrate birthdays at all because at one time they did not, is really loving stupid. Even if their birthday song is kinda ching chongy and bad.

It's the same for anyone that actually thinks cultural appropriation is a bad thing. It's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with a white woman buying a mumu. It's fine for an Italian to make sushi. Your culture doesn't belong to you, it's not an ownable thing. You have an advantage when you participate in it, be happy to leave it at that.

Thai people aren't the problem man. Cultural appropriation exists on the very broad spectrum of 'everything is cool as long as a white person isn't doing it.'

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

ArbitraryC posted:

having white people be cultural gatekeepers of what is and isn't okay in society

It's good to know that you are not just an idiot, but a crazy idiot

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Sheep-Goats posted:

This some "chemtrails" kinda poo poo right here
Its not like im going to convince you either way but it is a thing plenty of people far smarter and well versed in sociology than either of us have written about and it plays a big role in stuff like people with black sounding names being less likely to get called back on job applications. If you were truly interested in the subject matter im sure some enlightening reads wouldn't be farther than a google search away but we both know thats not the case.

LordArgh
Mar 17, 2009

Nap Ghost
it's nice that the extreme left and extreme right can agree on one thing; that ethnic and cultural segregation is good

the black husserl
Feb 25, 2005

sure sure yes goons cultural appropriation doesn't exist i get it gently caress the millennials but dreadlocks are kind of a big deal in the black community for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with stealing anyone's culture. Anthony Mackie (black actor guy from Selma) got savaged on Twitter last year because he said what a lot of black ppl know/fear about dreadlocks in the back of their heads

quote:

“I said ‘My nephew came to me and he said I’ma grow dreadlocks…So speaking as someone who had dreadlocks, I sat my nephew down. I turned on ‘First 48’ because it’s one of my favorite shows. So there are all these young black men being arrested, being killed. The majority of them have dreadlocks. It’s a phenomenon now. Young men want dreadlocks because it’s cool.

“So I told him ‘You will be perceived as this. If you wear your pants hanging off your behind, if you wear your shoes a certain way, if you got tattoos all up your neck. I’m not saying that’s what you are, but you will be perceived as this. And with perception comes profiling,”

a white person doesn't have to deal with that. white dude probably doesn't have to worry about getting beaten up or arrested (maybe weed lol) cause of his dreads. instead he has to worry about people calling him a smelly hippy or tossing him frisbees. that shits weird for black people cause its a freedom they don't have. so remember, next time you see a black person with dreads, please invite them to play frisbee

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
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Can't post for 10 years!
I mean if a dude is wearing blackface and acting like a retard I'm sure someone is gonna say something.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

the black husserl posted:

sure sure yes goons cultural appropriation doesn't exist i get it gently caress the millennials but dreadlocks are kind of a big deal in the black community for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with stealing anyone's culture. Anthony Mackie (black actor guy from Selma) got savaged on Twitter last year because he said what a lot of black ppl know/fear about dreadlocks in the back of their heads


a white person doesn't have to deal with that. white dude probably doesn't have to worry about getting beaten up or arrested (maybe weed lol) cause of his dreads. instead he has to worry about people calling him a smelly hippy or tossing him frisbees. that shits weird for black people cause its a freedom they don't have. so remember, next time you see a black person with dreads, please invite them to play frisbee

literally got called crazy for making this point last page lol

ArbitraryC posted:

Its not so much resentment over people stealing or diluting their culture (which would be dumb because stuff like dreads developed independently across the world) but instead its anger over the general feeling that something is bad when minorities do it but okay when white people do it. With dreads people will think hes a harmless dumb hippy for example but if he were a big black dude people might be intimidated or associate it with crime.

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010

the black husserl posted:

“So I told him ‘You will be perceived as this. If you wear your pants hanging off your behind, if you wear your shoes a certain way, if you got tattoos all up your neck. I’m not saying that’s what you are, but you will be perceived as this. And with perception comes profiling,”

If I see a white guys with tattoos up his neck and pants hanging down I will consider him an idiot too.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
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Pillbug

Decebal posted:

If I see a white guys with tattoos up his neck and pants hanging down I will consider him an idiot too.

cluelesswhitepeople.txt

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

ArbitraryC posted:

literally got called crazy for making this point last page lol

but the point that is invariably made after your point is "whats the/your point" and there isnt one

the black husserl
Feb 25, 2005

how about we settle this poo poo with a game of Ultimate. heres my team:



see yall on the field

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

the black husserl posted:

how about we settle this poo poo with a game of Ultimate. heres my team:



see yall on the field

drat those kids love point break

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
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Pillbug

im gaye posted:

but the point that is invariably made after your point is "whats the/your point" and there isnt one

nah that was really just you and my response was that people were justifiably upset about the doublestandards but the topic overall was more one that you just needed to know about then something you need to call individuals out on. Kind of an awareness thing and this thread is a really good example of how not enough people are yet aware of it. hence why I said that it was a valid academic discussion but the lady getting super confrontational over a dumb hippy was still wrong, sometimes everyone's wrong.

OMG JC a Bomb!
Jul 13, 2004

We are the Invisible Spatula. We are the Grilluminati. We eat before and after dinner. We eat forever. And eventually... eventually we will lead them into the dining room.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...l-a6964906.html

quote:

In his defence, Goldstein stated that dreadlocks are “ingrained in so many cultures other than that. It’s in Egyptian culture; it’s in Viking culture – even in Victorian culture”. Vikings were white, yes, and there are claims that the Scandinavian seafarers rocked dreads too. But Goldstein doesn’t rock his dreads in 11th Century Scandinavia. He wears them in the US, where dreadlocks are still tangled in the black struggle against white supremacy.

I'll stop washing my hair! That'll show those neo-nazis who's boss. :rznv:

EDIT:

quote:

“My hair, my rules, my body”, Goldstein asserts, displaying a deep sense of entitlement.

looooooool

OMG JC a Bomb! fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Apr 3, 2016

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

ArbitraryC posted:

This is always the dumbest gotcha in existence, we're talking about a western perspective of the problem in a thread of mostly white posters if you wanna start a thread about cultural appropriation in china go ahead.

so we're assuming that all those fluent in English and capable of accessing the internet are white and reside in the western hemisphere. got it.

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

OMG JC a Bomb! posted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...l-a6964906.html


I'll stop washing my hair! That'll show those neo-nazis who's boss. :rznv:
looooooool

quote:

"The ability to style your hair for fashion’s sake is a luxury, not a right. "

ahaha

Cowman
Feb 14, 2006

Beware the Cow





I mean cultural appropriation is bad like when Elvis took the black singers' songs and became rich and famous while they died in poverty and obscurity. That's damaging and bad. This is just hair. Who gives a gently caress about hair?

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
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Can't post for 10 years!

ArbitraryC posted:

nah that was really just you and my response was that people were justifiably upset about the doublestandards but the topic overall was more one that you just needed to know about then something you need to call individuals out on. Kind of an awareness thing and this thread is a really good example of how not enough people are yet aware of it. hence why I said that it was a valid academic discussion but the lady getting super confrontational over a dumb hippy was still wrong, sometimes everyone's wrong.

You are not allowed to say anything to a certain class of people in America about what they are doing right in front of you without violent retaliation. They are called police.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

that one honestly pisses me off. gently caress independent. i like that msot of the comments in the article agree. its a lovely smear pieace against some poor college kid. they should be happy he didnt sue the stupid oval office for battery.



Cowman posted:

I mean cultural appropriation is bad like when Elvis took the black singers' songs and became rich and famous while they died in poverty and obscurity. That's damaging and bad. This is just hair. Who gives a gently caress about hair?

pretty much this.

Thirsty Girl
Dec 5, 2015

Cowman posted:

I mean cultural appropriation is bad like when Elvis took the black singers' songs and became rich and famous while they died in poverty and obscurity. That's damaging and bad. This is just hair. Who gives a gently caress about hair?

its actually the opposite of damaging because his contemporaries could never have been successful but those who came later were

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Cowman
Feb 14, 2006

Beware the Cow





im gaye posted:

its actually the opposite of damaging because his contemporaries could never have been successful but those who came later were

that's true. I was specifically talking about the people he stole his material from but what you said is also correct.

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