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Cultural appropriation is the very real phenomenon where things are seen as low class, trashy, unprofessional, or whatever, until white people do it. The reason why you can't go well what about suits and straight hair is because minorities are expected to mimic white culture to be treated anywhere close to fairly in terms of employment, day to day interactions with shops/restaurants/police etc. This then means that when you see famous white person cash in on stuff white people previously looked down on there's some pretty well earned resentment, rap is perhaps one of the easiest examples of this when you get people saying poo poo like "im glad someone is finally rapping about important stuff rather than bitches and hoes" and it's inevitably a white rapper. Its not so much resentment over people stealing or diluting their culture (which would be dumb because stuff like dreads developed independently across the world) but instead its anger over the general feeling that something is bad when minorities do it but okay when white people do it. With dreads people will think hes a harmless dumb hippy for example but if he were a big black dude people might be intimidated or associate it with crime. That said its more an academic discussion thing and less of you should get snippy about white people wearing dreads or twerking, people who do that usually have a very shallow understanding of the topic and just want an excuse to feel vindicated while being be a dick to someone, such as the event in the op.
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im gaye posted:ironically, all of those low class cultural signifiers also lose part of the stigma over time when young white people show an interest in it
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Apr 3, 2016 18:45
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im gaye posted:why? That they're considered bad until white people do them too? Like my point wasnt that we shouldn't let white people participate but that things typically associated just with specific minority groups shouldn't be looked down on either.
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Apr 3, 2016 18:55
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funkybottoms posted:so countries with little to no white population don't have a mainstream, or is it just totally insignificant?
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Apr 3, 2016 20:00
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im gaye posted:thats not an appropriation problem "in itself" thats part of a larger dysfunction
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Apr 3, 2016 20:04
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Sheep-Goats posted:This some "chemtrails" kinda poo poo right here
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Apr 3, 2016 20:40
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the black husserl posted:sure sure yes goons cultural appropriation doesn't exist i get it gently caress the millennials but dreadlocks are kind of a big deal in the black community for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with stealing anyone's culture. Anthony Mackie (black actor guy from Selma) got savaged on Twitter last year because he said what a lot of black ppl know/fear about dreadlocks in the back of their heads literally got called crazy for making this point last page lol ArbitraryC posted:Its not so much resentment over people stealing or diluting their culture (which would be dumb because stuff like dreads developed independently across the world) but instead its anger over the general feeling that something is bad when minorities do it but okay when white people do it. With dreads people will think hes a harmless dumb hippy for example but if he were a big black dude people might be intimidated or associate it with crime.
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Apr 3, 2016 21:20
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Decebal posted:If I see a white guys with tattoos up his neck and pants hanging down I will consider him an idiot too. cluelesswhitepeople.txt
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Apr 3, 2016 21:25
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im gaye posted:but the point that is invariably made after your point is "whats the/your point" and there isnt one nah that was really just you and my response was that people were justifiably upset about the doublestandards but the topic overall was more one that you just needed to know about then something you need to call individuals out on. Kind of an awareness thing and this thread is a really good example of how not enough people are yet aware of it. hence why I said that it was a valid academic discussion but the lady getting super confrontational over a dumb hippy was still wrong, sometimes everyone's wrong.
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Apr 3, 2016 21:29
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:That double standard sucks, but wouldn't you want a bunch of people rolling around with dreads then to take away the stigma? yeah it's not necessarily that the end result would be bad but I think the problem is that it has to go through white people in the first place, like if hypothetically we could live in a society where there could be distinct cultural things among varying groups that weren't discriminated against up until the point they were embraced by white people it'd be better than the elvis method of incorporation. Not saying there are any easy answers or anything but it is an issue when people dismiss that this is a problem that exists in the first place to the point of comparing an area of study that many PhDs write about to chemtrails.
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Apr 3, 2016 22:25
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like simply because you've only seen clickbait articles and youtube videos on a topic rather than a professional succinctly summarizing an intro doesn't mean the topic itself is invalid
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Apr 3, 2016 22:33
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Applewhite posted:Chemtrails aren't real tho? and there is not a bunch of scholarly articles talking about how they are, the topic of this thread however...
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Apr 3, 2016 22:35
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Decebal posted:Which one has the biggest exposure to regular folk and the biggest influence ? Yeah this is certainly an issue, where "common sense" and soundbites conflict with what people who actually know what they're talking about think. Global warming is a good example of one where you probably agree with the experts and not the mewling crowds who point at snow in january as proof things are fine.
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Apr 3, 2016 22:38
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Frankenstyle posted:So we need to keep more sharply defined racial barriers in place because white people are so much better than everyone else that they'll just steamroll everybody? Or are you saying... ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Apr 3, 2016 22:44
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Rasta_Al posted:I'm not gonna look back through this whole thread, but I'm fairly confident you've done nothing to define cultural appropriation other than allude to some scholarly articles that you've failed to provide. I've provided several examples of stuff that was either non-white in origin and popularized by white people or stuff that is seen/treated significantly differently when done by a minority than done by a white person. So have other people itt. Further interest could be sated by google searches but it's obvious to everyone that the people dismissing the topic completely out of hand as crazy or on the level of chemtrail conspiracies are not actually genuinely and honestly interested in expanding their views on the subject. It's w/e, I'm not an expert and I never claimed to be I just know I have read people far more well versed in such sociological subjects than I discussing the kinds of double standards inherent to stuff like dreads and I thought it was kind of lame a bunch of people were acting like it's an absolutely non existent problem simply because they've never experienced the other side of the coin. To me people who don't believe this is an issue are the same kind of people who dismiss academic opinions on vaccines, global warming, etc. I get that to most people the only times you really see the topic discussed are via clickbait websites and dumb tumblr posts, but there are smart professors who could probably give simplified explanations that would satisfy you if you could go back in time and take some intro classes to pad out your gened requirements. I can't provide you good sources out of hand because it's been over half a decade since I was in those classes myself and is otherwise outside of the fields I went on to pursue.
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Apr 3, 2016 23:12
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you know this is old and out of touch because it doesn't include cis
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Apr 4, 2016 00:38
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Blistex posted:I'm in an interracial relationship. . . . and I'm white! Isn't one of the prolific dnd (or ex-dnd) goons a white dude who does sexual master/slave roleplay with his black girlfriend?
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Apr 4, 2016 02:38
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Danger Mahoney posted:Hey can someone who thinks cultural appropriation is an actual thing that exists give me a quick list of what things which things are forbidden to which races? It's getting confusing and I don't want to hurt no feelings or nothing by mistake. The comprehensive list: -nothing as that's not what the actual issue is about
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Apr 4, 2016 02:40
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Danger Mahoney posted:Okay now I'm more confused what exactly am I supposed to feel shame about with regards to cultural approvoption. Am I supposed to just feel a general sense of shame all the time or just when I like eat dim sum. Go back and read this post (it has a quote in the quote that I appended with "): the black husserl posted:sure sure yes goons cultural appropriation doesn't exist i get it gently caress the millennials but dreadlocks are kind of a big deal in the black community for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with stealing anyone's culture. Anthony Mackie (black actor guy from Selma) got savaged on Twitter last year because he said what a lot of black ppl know/fear about dreadlocks in the back of their heads The issue isn't whether or not white people can/should style their hair however but how there are doublestandards in how a white person with dreads (a dumb hippy) is viewed compared to black americans. At it's core this is the kind of point academics discussing cultural appropriation want to get at. some people will use this as a means of picking fights with individuals or specific organization in kind of a dumb/inappropriate way (such as the video that sparked this thread) but it really isn't about categorically determining who can or can't do this/that based on their skin color and that's just a stupid simplification used by people who have no real intention in intellectually engaging in the topic.
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