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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'm so impotently angry at this.

Between Unaoil and the Panama Papers I've just about reached my sheer outrage level this week.

I can't wait for the US poo poo. Watch we find out loving Obama and the clintons are on it.

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



kustomkarkommando posted:

A lot of things are saying the data includes copies of passports of lots of people so I don't think they are going to dump that wholesale

I suspected there would be a lot of personal info in them, yeah. Hopefully all of the outlets are thorough. I'm dying to see how many outright criminals and bandits are in office.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

kustomkarkommando posted:

A lot of things are saying the data includes copies of passports of lots of people so I don't think they are going to dump that wholesale

what they've released thus far has certain details censored, so i'd imagine they'll do that for everything they release. and i doubt they'll be doing that for 2.6TB worth of files.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Redgrendel2001 posted:


At least 2 dozen rich Canadians have been implicated.

Yep, from the CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/secret-files-reveal-more-canadians-using-offshore-tax-havens-1.1376407

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Volkerball posted:

what they've released thus far has certain details censored, so i'd imagine they'll do that for everything they release. and i doubt they'll be doing that for 2.6TB worth of files.

Don't worry, I'm sure wikileaks or someone will release them all raw so people can start hunting through them to get the Clinton Foundation connection we all want so bad.

Now I must know if the email scandal has any ties to this too because if so it's going to be the greatest political meltdown in US history.

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Mr Hootington posted:

I'm so impotently angry at this.

Between Unaoil and the Panama Papers I've just about reached my sheer outrage level this week.

I can't wait for the US poo poo. Watch we find out loving Obama and the clintons are on it.

Every big name in US politics is dirty as gently caress, even Sanders more than likely. The only thing that matters to the public/media is how good they cover their trails and how outrageous the amount of $$$ is.

School Nickname
Apr 23, 2010

*fffffff-fffaaaaaaarrrtt*
:ussr:
http://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search

It's a searchable database of offshore companies created by country (I think), listing their intermediaries and addresses. Hong Kong and the UK blow everyone out of the water. Ireland also has a large amount of them relatively speaking.

e; welp, my bad, wrong leak

School Nickname fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Apr 4, 2016

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

School Nickname posted:

http://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search

It's a searchable database of offshore companies created by country (I think), listing their intermediaries and addresses. Hong Kong and the UK blow everyone out of the water. Ireland also has a large amount of them relatively speaking.

This seems to be from an old leak from 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_leaks

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
this is where all the data on the leaks is.

https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

quote:

Potential connection between Mossack Fonseca and the 1983 Brink's-Mat robbery Called the "Crime of the Century" the robbery netted £26 million (today approx £79 million) worth of gold bullion, diamonds and cash stolen from a warehouse. Many of the robbery gang were convicted, but the gold has never been recovered.

Now documents within Mossack Fonseca’s files reveal that the law firm and its co-founder, Jürgen Mossack, may have helped the conspirators keep the spoils out of the hands of authorities by protecting a company tied to Gordon Parry, a London wheeler-dealer who laundered money for the Brink’s-Mat plotters."

So make that The Boys from Brazil, The Big Short, and Heat.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

BadOptics posted:

Every big name in US politics is dirty as gently caress, even Sanders more than likely. The only thing that matters to the public/media is how good they cover their trails and how outrageous the amount of $$$ is.

Oh yeah I know this. You have to be a bit scummy. It just depends on the level of scum. I do not actually think Sanders, Obama, or even the likes of a Rand Paul would be on this. Clinton, Kissinger, Romney, or Kasich could easily be in here.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Redgrendel2001 posted:

So make that The Boys from Brazil, The Big Short, and Heat.

Oh come on you work for the SS and found a money laundering company and you can't even get literal Nazi Gold?


Ahahaha STRONG ECONOMY turns out the UK is literally a shell for illicit finance lolololol

TheQuietWilds
Sep 8, 2009

Mr Hootington posted:

Oh yeah I know this. You have to be a bit scummy. It just depends on the level of scum. I do not actually think Sanders, Obama, or even the likes of a Rand Paul would be on this. Clinton, Kissinger, Romney, or Kasich could easily be in here.

I don't think Obama or Sanders have enough money to justify this, but I'm definitely holding out for a good solid Clinton Foundation connection. Maybe some Trump in there too.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Mr Hootington posted:

Oh yeah I know this. You have to be a bit scummy. It just depends on the level of scum. I do not actually think Sanders, Obama, or even the likes of a Rand Paul would be on this. Clinton, Kissinger, Romney, or Kasich could easily be in here.

Ahem.

Grundulum posted:

FYI: Dick Cheney represented Wyoming in Congress way back when.

lwoodio
Apr 4, 2008

OldMemes posted:

Julian Assange is going to use this as a chance to be annoying and attention seeking again, isn't he? Dude wishes he was as cool as Ed Snowden.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/716772373408718849

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

So I've not heard of them, can someone give me a pithy, truthy paragraph about the ICIJ? Cynical American attempt to create a partisan wikileaks equivalent? Crusading journalists who care only for truth? Somewhere in between?

AllanGordon
Jan 26, 2010

by Shine

Scaramouche posted:

So I've not heard of them, can someone give me a pithy, truthy paragraph about the ICIJ? Cynical American attempt to create a partisan wikileaks equivalent? Crusading journalists who care only for truth? Somewhere in between?

Every event in the world is shaped by America so why should this be any different.

Please never give any agency to non-Americans. They are in the end just puppets to the true rulers of the world.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
It's part of the Center for Public Integrity. I think they're pretty well-regarded as non-partisan. Probably more establishment than wikileaks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Public_Integrity

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Scaramouche posted:

So I've not heard of them, can someone give me a pithy, truthy paragraph about the ICIJ? Cynical American attempt to create a partisan wikileaks equivalent? Crusading journalists who care only for truth? Somewhere in between?

They have hinted that they will be releasing some US names soon.

Most of the investigators were in Europe, so they released the European names first.

This isn't a conspiracy or some sort of other bullshit. It is a staggered release because the volume of information is massive.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/716780162403033088

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Xae posted:

They have hinted that they will be releasing some US names soon.

Most of the investigators were in Europe, so they released the European names first.

This isn't a conspiracy or some sort of other bullshit. It is a staggered release because the volume of information is massive.

I wouldn't be shocked if the volume is so massive these papers will give new stories for years.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006




I'll scream and hit the ceiling if the name "Clinton" pops up in any capacity.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Vermain posted:

I'll scream and hit the ceiling if the name "Clinton" pops up in any capacity.

I'll basically guarantee you that every single Republican operative got called into work to ctrl-F Clinton in every document.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Vermain posted:

I'll scream and hit the ceiling if the name "Clinton" pops up in any capacity.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Shady relationships with lobbyists, sure. Outright corruption including shell companies and illegal activity in offshore accounts to the tune of millions of dollars? That's a hell of an escalation. I really don't think you can get away with that kind of thing in the US as a politician these days, and I doubt many are eager to see if they can get away with it. There might be some lobbyists from corporations wrapped up in it though.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

TheQuietWilds posted:

I don't think Obama or Sanders have enough money to justify this, but I'm definitely holding out for a good solid Clinton Foundation connection. Maybe some Trump in there too.

Here is the rest of his $10 billion.


That is a given. Plus the Bushes and the rest of the gang.

I kinda just want to refer to everyone in the documents as bad words.

Any British goons have thoughts on how this could affect Cameron? What happens in still destabilized Ukraine? This thing could be huge if given legs. Which it won't. Just like Unaoil seems to not have legs. Just need to burn it all down.

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Xae posted:

I'll basically guarantee you that every single Republican operative got called into work to ctrl-F Clinton in every document.

Probably Trump too, and I'd imagine the DNC will start ctrl+f'ing republicans too.

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

TheQuietWilds posted:

I don't think Obama or Sanders have enough money to justify this, but I'm definitely holding out for a good solid Clinton Foundation connection. Maybe some Trump in there too.

They'd have to be saving a LOT of money in order to create that sort of liability for Hillary. I don't doubt that at least a few prominent donors are going to show up (if only due to demographic overlap) but not the Clintons themselves. Trump would also be a bit surprising since he's the last guy on Earth who's going to hide one red cent of his wealth.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

AllanGordon posted:

Every event in the world is shaped by America so why should this be any different.

Please never give any agency to non-Americans. They are in the end just puppets to the true rulers of the world.

Jeeze Louise I'm not even an American and someone upthread said they're funded by USAID so I wanted to find out more.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Mr Hootington posted:

Here is the rest of his $10 billion.


That is a given. Plus the Bushes and the rest of the gang.

I kinda just want to refer to everyone in the documents as bad words.

Any British goons have thoughts on how this could affect Cameron? What happens in still destabilized Ukraine? This thing could be huge if given legs. Which it won't. Just like Unaoil seems to not have legs. Just need to burn it all down.

Unaoil just came out dude. And still, Iraqs government has already been shuffled around. There's massive protests rocking the country over corruption.

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

Vermain posted:

I'll scream and hit the ceiling if the name "Clinton" pops up in any capacity.

Well the current election cycle is already off the rails this could be the proverbial backhoe that turns it into a full on wreck. (I'm going to take an express train to hell when I die)

Gringo Heisenberg
May 30, 2009




:dukedog:
CBC reporting a Canadian senator's husband had a shell company:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/senator-s-husband-put-1-7m-in-offshore-tax-havens-1.1329197

Not exactly a PM, but interested to see what else comes out in the near future.

quote:

Tony Merchant of Regina, dubbed Canada's class-action king because of the large settlements he has won for his clients, transferred money to a tax haven in the South Pacific and then onward to an account in the Caribbean, according to the files. His wife, Senator Pana Merchant, as well as their three sons are named in the documents as beneficiaries of the funds.

...

All along, the documents show, the high-profile Prairie lawyer sought to keep the investments secret.

"Keep correspondence to a minimum," reads a note placed on his Cook Islands account that warned only to communicate with Merchant by airmail. "Do not fax to client. He will have a stroke."

Another note discusses Merchant's reaction when told his holdings in Luxembourg would require him to either cough up his identity to officials there, or have all transactions on the mutual funds frozen.

"Received a letter from Mr. Merchant requesting that we do not disclose now or in the future any information to the authorities in Luxembourg, or anywhere," the note on the account reads. "And the [mutual funds] will just remain on a freeze for the foreseeable future."
Mailed thousands in cash

Even the modest annual fees for his offshore accounts would have been impossible to trace back to Merchant: He often paid those expenses by sending cash in the mail from Canada to the South Pacific, prompting a caution from the account administrators.

"We strongly advise, however, that all future payments be made either by cheque or by telegraphic transfer, as we cannot vouch for the security of cash sent through the post," a lawyer wrote to him in 2002.

Merchant didn't heed the warning, though. Documents show he mailed cash and traveller's cheques in ensuing years to pay the roughly $2,000 in annual charges.
mi-trustnet-cook-islands

The Merchant trust was administered in this building in the capital of the Cook Islands. (CBC)

"The less innocent explanation is that this particular individual did not want to have any record maintained at all of this payment," said professor and lawyer Art Cockfield, an expert on international tax at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont., to whom CBC showed the documents.

"There may be an innocent explanation for all this. But boy, in my mind that does raise some serious red flags."

"If you want to move money around the world without onshore regulators or officials understanding that you're behind the wire transfer, you set up a bank, you set up an account at Lines Overseas Management — they use very strict standards of confidentiality," said lawyer Martin Kenney, a specialist in tracing international assets who runs a firm in another offshore haven, the British Virgin Islands.

"This would be an excellent way to do it without Revenue Canada, or anyone in Canada, being able to discern who is this unidentified beneficiary," added Kenney, who was shown the files but without revealing Merchant's identity.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

C-SPAN Caller posted:

Probably Trump too, and I'd imagine the DNC will start ctrl+f'ing republicans too.

I don't think trump has the type of fluid assets that offshoring is good for. His problem is he has a ton of very static and/or imaginary assets.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
People act like anyone will actually get in trouble for any of this.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

Volkerball posted:

I wouldn't hold my breath. Shady relationships with lobbyists, sure. Outright corruption including shell companies and illegal activity in offshore accounts to the tune of millions of dollars? That's a hell of an escalation. I really don't think you can get away with that kind of thing in the US as a politician these days, and I doubt many are eager to see if they can get away with it. There might be some lobbyists from corporations wrapped up in it though.

I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone they're connected to got caught up in it. Also this.

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Volkerball posted:

I wouldn't hold my breath. Shady relationships with lobbyists, sure. Outright corruption including shell companies and illegal activity in offshore accounts to the tune of millions of dollars? That's a hell of an escalation. I really don't think you can get away with that kind of thing in the US as a politician these days, and I doubt many are eager to see if they can get away with it. There might be some lobbyists from corporations wrapped up in it though.

I mean the Clintons have already shown they used swiss bank accounts as intermediaries for foreign donations to their campaign fund last year so this will probably be brought back up.

When you're rich and think you're untouchable you do some insane stuff.

Currently my wild pipe dream is like the Russian business elite orphan child abduction rape scheme will show up through something similar for Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, connected to that plane trip that totally didn't happen.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Comedy option: Clinton ends up clean, Sanders implicated for fraud

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Scaramouche posted:

Jeeze Louise I'm not even an American and someone upthread said they're funded by USAID so I wanted to find out more.

They're funded by a lot of people, and the leaks are also distributed among German and French media. Just conspiratorial minded folks drumming this type of thing up. You can safely ignore them.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

People act like anyone will actually get in trouble for any of this.

The Iceland dude is screwed. Everyone else is basically fine.

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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quote:

Currently my wild pipe dream is like the Russian business elite orphan child abduction rape scheme will show up through something similar for Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, connected to that plane trip that totally didn't happen.

Hey guys wouldn't it be great if a bunch of children were raped so that my candidate could win an election unopposed

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