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crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Falun Bong Refugee posted:

That's Finnegan's Wake, but yeah, white people are pretty dumb and gullible.

nah, white critics are always like "you can't go further than finnegans wake, it was a dead end experiment-end of literature, ect"

There actually a few weird Finnegan Wake inspired books by african american authors, like this one where dude goes to a mythical country and talks incomprehensible finwake punslangz forever

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crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Doctor Schnabel posted:

"literary" authors shamefully sniffing their own farts and then writing about their own farts is why all the real creatives moved on to memes and twitter btw

Joyce's work is so full of product placement, pop song hooks becoming ear worms, lovely advertisement slogans and puns, dudes brainstorming their own lovely advertisement slogans, guys thinking that their own farts could be songs that some think he's one of the first to really write about this particular age of media saturation and destroying notions of high brow/low brow in capitol L literature. All of Ulysses is basically about how the random thoughts and observations of a middle class CuCk going to work supercede something like Homer's Odyssey.

He's often mistaken as snob but he was pretty egalitarian at least when you get down to content. If he was alive today he would probably either be a genius who wasted his time masturbating to poo poo porn and writing deviantart erotica though

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

nomadologique posted:

portrait of the artist is entirely about his mary sue, and the same char (stephen dedalus) functions as the telemachus stand-in in ulysses

wouldnt even use mary sue, the guy wimps out in front of dogs and I forgot how it goes but he feels alpha'd by Buck Mulligan cause Buck saved a drowning man when Stephen stood aside afraid to get into the water or something.

The funny/sad thing is that Buck Mulligan's real-life counterpart really did save some one from drowning and was pretty much a smart, kind-hearted stand up citizen dedicating his mind and energy toward being a doctor. He felt James Joyce ruined his reputation and made his existence a big joke by portraying him as a fat cad with no centre throughout the book.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Carmant posted:

Idk what Mary Sue is but I bet it's something really stupid and meaningless like cuck because gokns really love to use it

good, nevver learn it. also u havnt read any op-ed pieces about star wars: the force awakens which is how the term burrowed into my brains

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Joyce posted:

Lowly, longly, a wail went forth. Pure Yawn lay low. On the
mead of the hillock lay, heartsoul dormant mid shadowed land-
shape, brief wallet to his side, and arm loose, by his staff of citron
briar, tradition stick-pass-on. His dream monologue was over,
of cause, but his drama parapolylogic had yet to be, affact. Most
distressfully (but, my dear, how successfully!) to wail he did,
his locks of a lucan tinge, quickrich, ripely rippling, unfilleted,
those lashbetasselled lids on the verge of closing time, whiles
ouze of his sidewiseopen mouth the breath of him, evenso
languishing as the princeliest treble treacle or lichee chewchow
purse could buy. Yawn in a semiswoon lay awailing and (hooh!)
what helpings of honeyful swoothead (phew!), which ear-
piercing dulcitude! As were you suppose to go and push with
your bluntblank pin in hand upinto his fleshasplush cushionettes
of some chubby boybold love of an angel. Hwoah!

TBH I find this absolutely gorgeous to hear outloud and endlessly fascinating to work out. Its like this strange hymn prayer by some sort of 850 year old Irish anchorite

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8kFqiv8Vww

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

st1LL_51ngl3 posted:

I was going to say that Joyce used the n word all the time but then i remembered that was actually Lovecraft. Did Joyce ever use the n word in his writing?

Never as an omnipotent narrator sense like racist authors such as Conrad, Kipling or Lawrence would do. Maybe once or twice in dense passages of drunken slang in Ulysses and as vocalized slang in the plasma language of Finnegan's Wake, passages that sought to echo in some ways real-world talk

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

8 track betamax posted:

What an embarrassing string of words.

He had to smelt the modern dictionary back to protean plasma and reenact the genesis and mutation of language in order to deliver his message. But the final wonder is that such a message could be delivered at all.


Alan Smithee posted:

Let me know when his works are made into a anime

I'll watch that instead

Read this instead

crowoutofcontext fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Apr 17, 2016

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Wizard Master posted:

Pynchon is better than Joyce. Mason & Dixon is the best novel of the past 100 years

Maybe kind of

like saying Nas is better than Public Enemy

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Falun Bong Refugee posted:

Seriously, it never stops being hilarious reading about humanities majors attempting to justify flushing 40k down the toilet by pretending to understand Joyce.

James Joyce posted:

I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of insuring one's immortality.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

And anyone who doesn't attempt Ulysses should be shot in the head for boorish intellectual cowardliness.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

this is the dumbest thing I have ever read

If you like neither his published work nor his fart letters you are boor

If you like his fart letters, but not his published work you are an easy-going lad, but not one for the "heightened pleasures"

If you like his published work, but not his fart letters, you are a pseudo intellectual.

If you like only his fart letters, and find his work pales in comparison, you are an intellectual

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

dudes shpuld stop listening to me, roll a joint and :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpeq91hK1Gk#t=19s

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

mdm posted:

please source your quotes tia

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crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

mdm posted:

James Joyce also wrote under the pen name Terence McKenna?

no that was where i got " the plasma language of Finnegan's Wake" from tbf.

i cant fpr the life of me see the specific txt people quote of me.


‘I’ve put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that’s the only way of insuring one’s immortality.’
-James Joyce, quoted in Richard Ellmann, James Joyce, 2nd ed. (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1982), p. 521.

"Lowly, longly, a wail went forth[...] Hwoah!" http://www.trentu.ca/faculty/jjoyce/fw-474.htm

crowoutofcontext fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Apr 17, 2016

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