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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Three-Phase posted:

I thought awhile back a company called Eurotech was making some kind of special plastic foam called EKOR to coat some of the areas where there was corium (aka Chernobylite) and large amounts of radioactive dust to try and stabilize it better.
I think you dreamed that.

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Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Budget Dracula posted:

i love how in these types of threads there is always a subject matter expert. Like the thread with the goon who's neighbor is going to get wetbrain from tthurning an empty drum of industrial bridge paint into a bbq grill.

Also, when they try to store waste why don't they use lead as well? is it because of the cost?

Lead is used a lot in many types of radioactive shielding but as far as I know, a nice deep pool of boronated water is more effective as well as cheap. I don't know a ton about how spent fuel is handled though. The plants I've been too use a pool of boronated water for x amount of time, and eventually the fuel is moved to big casks. Im not really sure about the nature of the casks. I'll ask a few people to find out more though when I get a chance. But boronated water seems to be the first step, and when we pull the reactor apart the cavity is flooded with it during the lift of the reactor head too.

The water glows blue too. Once the head is removed and the upper internals are exposed, it's all that water that keeps neutron radiation from smoking you. The radiation tears particles off of the water, resulting in it putting of a really awesome electric blue glow.

a hole-y ghost posted:

I think you dreamed that.

He may not be far off. I heard something about some sort of crazy dry storage material being worked on, don't know if it's plastic though, as radioactive poo poo gets pretty loving hot. I'll ask around about that too.

Starting to think I need to just make a nuke thread.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Honky Dong Country posted:

Starting to think I need to just make a nuke thread.
make a thread about your job in Ask/Tell but only talk about what you ate for lunch, why, how you made it/where you got it, and the consistency of your work shits.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

a hole-y ghost posted:

make a thread about your job in Ask/Tell but only talk about what you ate for lunch, why, how you made it/where you got it, and the consistency of your work shits.

Believe it or not, poo poo like that becomes most of your day in this industry. Nothing happens without a mountain of red tape and a deep, stygian abyss full of paperwork. During an outage, us refuelers are very often sitting on our asses, occasionally getting loaned out to the secondaries or something for some busywork. The beginning and end of the outage is when us rockstars are working nearly constantly. I've spent as long as four hours down in the reactor cavity during the busy times, came out for 3-4, then right back in for a long rear end jump.

The downtime: a lot of talking, joking/laughing, eating/making GBS threads, and doing gross poo poo to each other like deliberately eating foods with the intent of weaponizing your farts to gas out people all over the plant.

But nah, if I do a thread I'd rather it be a general purpose nuke thread in GBS. I'm really not an expert of any kind and I haven't been in this long. I'm just a fast learner and ask a hellstorm of questions like an 8 year old at a NASA facility.

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


OP, teabag the elephant foot.

polynominal-c
Jan 18, 2003

Honky Dong Country posted:

The water glows blue too. Once the head is removed and the upper internals are exposed, it's all that water that keeps neutron radiation from smoking you. The radiation tears particles off of the water, resulting in it putting of a really awesome electric blue glow.

a.k.a. Cherenkov_radiation

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Wait a cotton pickins county minute! Isn't Pripyatism what happens when yo get an...ahem..........private swelling...........that lasts for more than an hour or more?? I hope this does not happen to you OP because I hear that it is both painful and sometimes the doctor has to amputate your organ. best of luck anyway OP! :thumbsup:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

8 track betamax posted:

Wait a cotton pickins county minute! Isn't Pripyatism what happens when yo get an...ahem..........private swelling...........that lasts for more than an hour or more?? I hope this does not happen to you OP because I hear that it is both painful and sometimes the doctor has to amputate your organ. best of luck anyway OP! :thumbsup:
it happens all the time. afterwards the doctor lets you keep it and put it in your pocket like a tooth, it's what they call a "diet sausage"

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015


Yaaaase. Man the picture in that article is loving cool. I often wish I could take pictures during the poo poo we do, but security and contamination and all that. I've only seen it get that blue when we lifted the lower internals for modification. That lift is so loving hot it's done via cameras from behind a massive concrete biwall inside containment. And that's because it got lifted a mere ~48in above the pool before setting it down on its stands.

Honky Dong Country fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Apr 17, 2016

Cowman
Feb 14, 2006

Beware the Cow





get some raw steak and watch it get cooked

because it's so hot there :rimshot:

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

If you here this voice you should probably ignore it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ5UmUOcoWA

DONKEY SALAMI
Jun 28, 2008

donkey? donkey?

Cut off arm. Replace with realistic one. Then have fall off during tour and look scared

This could also work with eyeball. Or teeth

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Honky Dong Country posted:

Starting to think I need to just make a nuke thread.

Nukes are cool, you should do that.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Ivor Biggun posted:

Nukes are cool, you should do that.

Well not the first person to say so, I'll get on it in a couple hours after I eat dinner.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Honky Dong Country posted:

Well not the first person to say so, I'll get on it in a couple hours after I eat dinner.



let me be the first to conflate nuclear power with nuclear weaponry

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

Honky Dong Country posted:

Well not the first person to say so, I'll get on it in a couple hours after I eat dinner.

Be sure to not forget the Criticality 1969 video! :kiddo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ckdTlgvlU

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Honky Dong Country posted:

There's already a concrete sarcophagus built around the really lovely areas, I believe. Trouble is that it's old and crumbling. Part of the containment/clean-up plan that's being worked on is building a new containment system over it. It's not done yet but it's gonna look like this once they finish it and slide it into place:


Current piece of poo poo sarcophagus below. It was built pretty drat quick because at the time the other units were still functional and they wanted them operating again. So they slapped that thing together out of concrete just to allow personnel back on site to continue generating power without loving dying.



Chernobyl as a whole didn't cease operation until the 90s, despite its rather nasty history of loving problems including a partial meltdown in another unit, a big rear end fire in their turbine building, etc. The New Safe Confinement project is only one part of the new plan. There will also be a storage facility built within the exclusion zone because they don't currently have the facilities on site to store the spent fuel from the other three units at Chernobyl. Hilariously enough they were in the process of building a fifth and sixth reactor when Unit 4 melted down and loving exploded. Thankfully they never completed the other two units.

looking forward to the spooky level where you have to go through the sarcophagus into the ruins of reactor 4 where nobody has tread in years to get an important item or get past the bad guys

i will bet you fight lots of zombie-like mutants

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Apr 18, 2016

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Honky Dong Country posted:

Believe it or not, poo poo like that becomes most of your day in this industry. Nothing happens without a mountain of red tape and a deep, stygian abyss full of paperwork. During an outage, us refuelers are very often sitting on our asses, occasionally getting loaned out to the secondaries or something for some busywork. The beginning and end of the outage is when us rockstars are working nearly constantly. I've spent as long as four hours down in the reactor cavity during the busy times, came out for 3-4, then right back in for a long rear end jump.

The downtime: a lot of talking, joking/laughing, eating/making GBS threads, and doing gross poo poo to each other like deliberately eating foods with the intent of weaponizing your farts to gas out people all over the plant.

But nah, if I do a thread I'd rather it be a general purpose nuke thread in GBS. I'm really not an expert of any kind and I haven't been in this long. I'm just a fast learner and ask a hellstorm of questions like an 8 year old at a NASA facility.

I would definitely be interested in an ask/tell about your work as a reactor refuelling tech.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Ivor Biggun posted:



let me be the first to conflate nuclear power with nuclear weaponry
Weapons Is Power.

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx
We are strong.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Hey OP it occured to me that I ended up talking a lot about nuclear poo poo and my job in here. Sorry about that. I've taken it elsewhere. Good luck and seriously, if you are going to a radioactive area, don't gently caress around and be a moron. Take some pictures and learn all you can because it's interesting, but don't get any more dose than you gotta. Something something east euro radiological standards something something cancer.

Have fun.

Cowman
Feb 14, 2006

Beware the Cow





take a picture of a geiger counter or whatever pointed at your body before and after you leave and see if you change a bunch.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Honky Dong Country posted:

Hey OP it occured to me that I ended up talking a lot about nuclear poo poo and my job in here. Sorry about that. I've taken it elsewhere. Good luck and seriously, if you are going to a radioactive area, don't gently caress around and be a moron. Take some pictures and learn all you can because it's interesting, but don't get any more dose than you gotta. Something something east euro radiological standards something something cancer.

Have fun.
I think he died already. But if he does end up going to Pripyat I hope he has a rad time.

dpf
Sep 17, 2011

FYI the Geiger counters they give you are a joke, all the radiation detectors at the checkpoints break down multiple times a day and look like they're about 60 years old. Have fun, see you on the thyroid cancer ward in a few years time.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

Honky Dong Country posted:

Good luck and seriously, if you are going to a radioactive area, don't gently caress around and be a moron. Take some pictures and learn all you can because it's interesting, but don't get any more dose than you gotta. Something something east euro radiological standards something something cancer.

:siren:MOD CHALLENGE: Do the opposite of this ^^^^ :siren:

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot

Mariana Horchata posted:

what a retarded fuckin place to pay lots of money to waste ur free time visiting. how about going to a beach maybe??

I think I'd rather take Pripyat over the beaches of Brazil.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot

fyodor posted:

Take a selfie with the elephant's foot.

This mufucka right here:



So fueled on dark souls 3 right now i thought that was a bonfire picture at first.

shut up blegum
Dec 17, 2008


--->Plastic Lawn<---
What STALKER game is the best? I just looked at steam and there are like 3 of them somehow

Ahundredbux
Oct 25, 2007

The right to bear arms

beedeebee posted:

What STALKER game is the best? I just looked at steam and there are like 3 of them somehow

If youre only gonna play one, pripyat is the most polished one out of the box.

Otherwise, do shadows of chernobyl possibly with some light modding and skip clear sky

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

OP, if you aren't dead yet be sure to drink any standing water you come across. Also when you come back, do a Stalker LP and compare how close they came to modeling the real thing.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Honky Dong Country posted:

Lead is used a lot in many types of radioactive shielding but as far as I know, a nice deep pool of boronated water is more effective as well as cheap. I don't know a ton about how spent fuel is handled though. The plants I've been too use a pool of boronated water for x amount of time, and eventually the fuel is moved to big casks. Im not really sure about the nature of the casks. I'll ask a few people to find out more though when I get a chance. But boronated water seems to be the first step, and when we pull the reactor apart the cavity is flooded with it during the lift of the reactor head too.

The water glows blue too. Once the head is removed and the upper internals are exposed, it's all that water that keeps neutron radiation from smoking you. The radiation tears particles off of the water, resulting in it putting of a really awesome electric blue glow.


He may not be far off. I heard something about some sort of crazy dry storage material being worked on, don't know if it's plastic though, as radioactive poo poo gets pretty loving hot. I'll ask around about that too.

Starting to think I need to just make a nuke thread.

Casks are typically a cavity in the middle for the hot material, 3" stainless steel casing, and then 24" of concrete. They'll have temperature monitors but they're otherwise pretty passive. Fun fact, nuclear plants that decommissioned 1-2 decades ago in the US still have full-time 24/7 operations (albeit on a much smaller scale) because they have to store the casks there indefinitely at the site in the "ISFSI." One of these centuries the DOE will get around to building a repository.

They also look cool on thermal cameras, you can seem the casks glowing much warmer than the background.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
Some of the spent fuel in dry storage may become usable as fuel at some point. Some has been processed into radioactive glass that is useless and needs to be stored permanently. I have no idea what the ratio is.

Onkel Hedwig
Jun 27, 2007


Honky Dong Country posted:

Hey OP it occured to me that I ended up talking a lot about nuclear poo poo and my job in here. Sorry about that. I've taken it elsewhere. Good luck and seriously, if you are going to a radioactive area, don't gently caress around and be a moron. Take some pictures and learn all you can because it's interesting, but don't get any more dose than you gotta. Something something east euro radiological standards something something cancer.

Have fun.

I've liked nuclear stuff since I was a kid. But one day I learned that this awesome invention called NUCLEAR POWER PLANT is basically just a big water boiler.

If you can make nuclear power sound cool again, I would be most grateful.

Ahundredbux
Oct 25, 2007

The right to bear arms
Thats what happens when our best trick for generating electricity is to spin things real fast

Herv
Mar 24, 2005

Soiled Meat

DangerousDan posted:

FYI the Geiger counters they give you are a joke, all the radiation detectors at the checkpoints break down multiple times a day and look like they're about 60 years old. Have fun, see you on the thyroid cancer ward in a few years time.

The Iodine-131 half life is 8 hours or so. I am guessing the thyroid cancer ship has sailed, but yah... guessing.

Pretty sure its the Strontium and Cesium isotopes that are the bad guys.

Baxter
Sep 13, 2000
Do they have a gift shop?

If I pm you my address will you send a postcard or containment snow-globe

Falun Bong Refugee
Dec 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Hey good luck on your trip op. If you can take a selfie with some rad overgrown abandoned wreckage and post it here that would be cool. Have fun in Ukraine and drink a pint of the real budwiser.

Falun Bong Refugee
Dec 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

beedeebee posted:

What STALKER game is the best? I just looked at steam and there are like 3 of them somehow

Pripyat with The Complete Mod. It looks so good sometimes you just want to stand there.

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx
lmbo at people who don't speak russian playing stalker

you don't even understand what the monolith says and the game is full of dumb memes for you instead of actual good dialogue

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

AugmentedVision posted:

lmbo at people who don't speak russian playing stalker

you don't even understand what the monolith says and the game is full of dumb memes for you instead of actual good dialogue

The game is still full of dumb memes even in russian :ssh:

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