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Song For The Deaf
Aug 10, 2006

I HAVE TO USE MY SOUND SWORD NOW.
That review was the culmination of some ongoing frustrating interactions. I'm kind of surprised we got off that easy, to be honest.

I got caught up on Bob's stuff last night, which was a bizarre experience. Duckfeed gets a minimal amount of heat for being "SA goons" (it was worse a couple years ago), but it's surreal how much the people targeting Bob talked about SA as if it was the Illuminati.

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Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Acting as if you don't know the Illuminati secret handshake.

PM me if you need to know how to do the secret handshake

E: on a more serious note, I do actually enjoy how much sway SA still has despite being "dead" or "on the decline". It isn't just resting on reputation either, people who are vaguely familiar with Internet social circles know that goons can be, and often are, an extremely well researched and poised group to deal with.

A friend told me in passing that it was revealed recently that Chris Roberts' thing has a special ticket queue just for people who are suspected to be either goons or otherwise associated with Derek Smart. That's hilarious.

Phone fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jun 10, 2016

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
SA basically takes it from two separate sides.

On one hand you've got all the people who've had their MMO or Kickstarter project or whatever trolled mercilessly by goon guilds and goofballs from here posting on their forums. The Goonswarm paranoia people. Some of whom are just like 40 year old roleplayers or well-intentioned weirdos or whatever who are terrified of goons throwing floppy dongs at their videogame social event.

On the other hand you've got this substantial chunk of the Internet culture war who views SA as a hive of social justice scum and villainy because the forums have a history of aggressively moderating idiotic assholes, a category that happens to include a substantial majority of racists, misogynists, and homophobes - as well as people who aren't bigots but exist on forums mainly to shitpost unfunny one-liners. Some of them are actual bigots, and others just think SA's being curated at all is an assault upon the principle of free speech.

What they fail to realize is that as relatively dead as SA is from its height of popularity, it's still a big forum, and has a bunch of cliques with disparate values and interests who are mostly able to coexist without burning the place down. Basically the only thing "goons" have in common is that they paid 10 bux to post on a forum, and those of us who have 5+ year old accounts without being permabanned have managed to at least not attract massive attention to how stupid and unfunny we are for a long time.

Civil Twilight
Apr 2, 2011

FractalSandwich posted:

How much do we have to contribute to the Video Games Hot Dog Patreon to get a regular full-length Philosophy Hot Dog spin-off?

VGHD has been super great recently, especially with the ongoing threads like Werner Herzog. Also that Morgellons thing sounds like the medical version of gang stalking.

Robot Porn
Feb 23, 2007
bored at work...
As someone who is not really a Goon at all and just farts around at work on this website... And as a guy who never really followed Dyack or his haters (and lovers?) before... And as a guy who loved (yes, loved) Too Human for what it was and would gladly pay $30 for a decent PC port... And as a guy who considers Eternal Darkness to be a major part of his Console Canon...

Way to go, idiot. Way to behave in the worst possible way to not even make a point. To posture. To reveal to me that you are a child. To make me feel bad for defending your work in the past.

Way to go, you embarrassing baby.

gently caress.

bobservo
Jul 24, 2003

It was kinda surreal realizing the guy who headed up Eternal Darkness and The Twin Snakes is now making "Bob Mackey, Please Talk to Me" videos.

Also, I don't think I ever said I disliked Eternal Darkness; that whiny fan reached out to Dyack because I said Silicon Knights made two good games in their lifetime, which I'm guessing most reasonable people would agree with.

NmareBfly
Jul 16, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Robot Porn posted:

Way to go, idiot. Way to behave in the worst possible way to not even make a point. To posture. To reveal to me that you are a child. To make me feel bad for defending your work in the past.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-24-eternal-darkness-successor-shadow-of-the-eternals-still-alive-denis-dyack-claims[

quote:

In the latest Quantum Tunnel podcast, Dyack assures his viewers that Shadow of the Eternals is now alive again, although there is nothing yet to show which might back this claim up.

Dyack also commented on why the game's crowdfunding campaigns failed, where at one point he blames "extremely unethical" games journalism.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Zombies' Downfall posted:

SA basically takes it from two separate sides.

On one hand you've got all the people who've had their MMO or Kickstarter project or whatever trolled mercilessly by goon guilds and goofballs from here posting on their forums. The Goonswarm paranoia people. Some of whom are just like 40 year old roleplayers or well-intentioned weirdos or whatever who are terrified of goons throwing floppy dongs at their videogame social event.

On the other hand you've got this substantial chunk of the Internet culture war who views SA as a hive of social justice scum and villainy because the forums have a history of aggressively moderating idiotic assholes, a category that happens to include a substantial majority of racists, misogynists, and homophobes - as well as people who aren't bigots but exist on forums mainly to shitpost unfunny one-liners. Some of them are actual bigots, and others just think SA's being curated at all is an assault upon the principle of free speech.

What they fail to realize is that as relatively dead as SA is from its height of popularity, it's still a big forum, and has a bunch of cliques with disparate values and interests who are mostly able to coexist without burning the place down. Basically the only thing "goons" have in common is that they paid 10 bux to post on a forum, and those of us who have 5+ year old accounts without being permabanned have managed to at least not attract massive attention to how stupid and unfunny we are for a long time.

Just reading the GBS thread on the orlando massacre and it is amazing how far to the right it has swung.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
or, how about this, don't read gbs

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Captain Invictus posted:

or, how about this, don't read gbs

same

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

Jippa posted:

Just reading the GBS thread on the orlando massacre and it is amazing how far to the right it has swung.

I'll take your word for it. Couldn't get past the first page of everyone trying to make edgy jokes ASAP. It was a very good reminder for this:

Captain Invictus posted:

or, how about this, don't read gbs

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?
http://caneandrinse.com/


Cane and Rinse is one of the most enjoyable and relaxing podcasts I've listened to. In it, the lead host and a rotating cadre of about two/three other co hosts all dissect a game, with very little off topic chat (but still, interplay between the hosts and genuine friendship). They talk about games from a little while back past the hype, their own experiences with the game and when they were first introduced to whatever franchise it relates to, aspects of the game itself, and their own opinions. There really isn't anything else like this as far as I know.

I like this dexcription of it
On the slightly more academic end of the spectrum is Cane and Rinse, whose hosts are mainly scattered around the UK. The show takes one video game per episode and dissects it like a science-class frog. The games chosen are usually at least a few years old in the hopes of lending some equanimity to the proceedings, after the hype or backlash that a game might have been cloaked in no longer wields any real power. Recent episodes have covered the Silent Hill series, Spelunky, Diddy Kong Racing, and System Shock 2.

Cane and Rinse applies exactly the same analytical structure each episode to avoid meandering down blind alleys. The hosts first discuss the development history of the game, their own individual experiences with it at the time of release, and then they pick the game apart by all its individual components: music, gameplay, story, and so forth. They always save their personal feelings about the game for the end.

"We wanted to get forensic with it," host Leon Cox tells me in his smooth, made-for-radio voice.

"The key thing about our manifesto," he elaborates, "is that we try to avoid hype, we try to avoid giving our opinions as if they are facts and we try to take each game on its own merits—not base it on its platform or its file size or its advertising budget or its development budget or its age. We just talk about the experience they give us."

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
I was late on listening last week's Axe of the Blood God, and I did not expect Kat Bailey being a hardcore SRW fan, to the point of listing off recent games as filler or recycling assets.

bobservo
Jul 24, 2003

This week's Retronauts is all about the endearingly dorky GamePro TV--please no one tweet at JD Roth about how I feel about his hosting skills.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/retronauts-micro-gets-a-50-in-fun-factor-with-our-look-at-gamepro-tv

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

Gary and Kole,

We are in extreme agreement about the high points of New Vegas, especially when contrasted with Fallout 3 coming from the viewpoint of someone who loves the original two. Fallout 4 is currently on-hold for me until the reasonably-priced version of the 1070 is available, because it is glitchy enough on the AMD HD card that it's distracting from play. How do you feel about Fallout 4 in comparison to New Vegas, specifically how flexible the stories are and clever ways to close them?

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!
In my completely biased view the differences between 3 and NV may as well be a chart of the differences between the design ideologies of Bethesda and Obsidian.

moller fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 15, 2016

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend

Zombies' Downfall posted:

SA basically takes it from two separate sides.

On one hand you've got all the people who've had their MMO or Kickstarter project or whatever trolled mercilessly by goon guilds and goofballs from here posting on their forums. The Goonswarm paranoia people. Some of whom are just like 40 year old roleplayers or well-intentioned weirdos or whatever who are terrified of goons throwing floppy dongs at their videogame social event.

On the other hand you've got this substantial chunk of the Internet culture war who views SA as a hive of social justice scum and villainy because the forums have a history of aggressively moderating idiotic assholes, a category that happens to include a substantial majority of racists, misogynists, and homophobes - as well as people who aren't bigots but exist on forums mainly to shitpost unfunny one-liners. Some of them are actual bigots, and others just think SA's being curated at all is an assault upon the principle of free speech.

What they fail to realize is that as relatively dead as SA is from its height of popularity, it's still a big forum, and has a bunch of cliques with disparate values and interests who are mostly able to coexist without burning the place down. Basically the only thing "goons" have in common is that they paid 10 bux to post on a forum, and those of us who have 5+ year old accounts without being permabanned have managed to at least not attract massive attention to how stupid and unfunny we are for a long time.

Saving this for the next time someone asks me what SA is.

Woffle
Jul 23, 2007

Lt. Frank Drebin posted:

Gary and Kole,

We are in extreme agreement about the high points of New Vegas, especially when contrasted with Fallout 3 coming from the viewpoint of someone who loves the original two. Fallout 4 is currently on-hold for me until the reasonably-priced version of the 1070 is available, because it is glitchy enough on the AMD HD card that it's distracting from play. How do you feel about Fallout 4 in comparison to New Vegas, specifically how flexible the stories are and clever ways to close them?

You will be sorely disappointed in FO4. I came to actually like it on its own terms as a much better version of 3. There are some real neat places to explore (the city itself is incredible), some NPCs are pretty good, and a few clever touches in quest design (Very Few). The shooting feels good.

But the main story writing is trash, and your opportunities for roleplaying are out the god drat window. Speech checks are like speech checks in 3, by which I mean the best thing they can do is bypass a part of a quest, and even that's rare. There isn't much in the way of respect for multiple approaches to problem solving and, by god, the body count. If you want to just kill scores and scores of nameless, historyless raiders and super mutant ogres, this is your game.

I'd say it's the 2nd worst mainline fallout game, better than 3, but still miles behind FO1.

VocalizePlayerDeath
Jan 29, 2009

Fallout Shelter is better than Fallout 2. The most memorable part was that horrible puzzle where you had to tie dynamite to a pole attached to a cart in order to blow open a door, because dynamite getting a running start makes a stronger explosion?

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I'll go get the pitchforks, torches and noose, shall I?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Kole: How did you like Iron Man 3?

Song For The Deaf
Aug 10, 2006

I HAVE TO USE MY SOUND SWORD NOW.
I dug it. I didn't see the twist coming at all, and I like heroes facing psychological consequences for their actions (even if I wish they'd leaned into it more).

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
I'm not sure how much of it was spoiled for you, but the whole facade with Ben Kingsley is probably the strongest pivot in the movie. Just everything was duplicitous and none of it felt particularly weak. It's hammy and probably a hair too long, but it's such a pleasant surprise that I seriously cannot lodge any complaints towards it.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I would probably be luke warm on that movie, but Ben Kingsley launches the whole thing an entire teir upwards.

Song For The Deaf
Aug 10, 2006

I HAVE TO USE MY SOUND SWORD NOW.
The Kingsley shuffle was unspoiled. I went in carrying everything I knew about the Mandarin, and I was happy to drop it.

thark
Mar 3, 2008

bork
What patreon level do I need to invest at for the duckfeed shows to start having proper ID3 tags?

Song For The Deaf
Aug 10, 2006

I HAVE TO USE MY SOUND SWORD NOW.
That'll come with a new CMS I'm waiting on. I can't find a solid, reliable, and replicable way to do ID3 tags at the scale I need to do them. I definitely don't mean to inconvenience anyone or come across as a slouch.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Austin Walker is leaving Giant Bomb, and thus the Giant Beastcast, which is basically the worst, but because he's been hired by Vice to be the editor-in-chief of their brand-new gaming section in Brooklyn, so maybe he'll have a podcast of his very own! Though it just won't be the same without him and Vinny together.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Captain Invictus posted:

Austin Walker is leaving Giant Bomb, and thus the Giant Beastcast, which is basically the worst, but because he's been hired by Vice to be the editor-in-chief of their brand-new gaming section in Brooklyn, so maybe he'll have a podcast of his very own! Though it just won't be the same without him and Vinny together.

This sucks. :(

The giant beastcast was great but Austin is a big part of that.

Woffle
Jul 23, 2007

Ahem, Austin is going to be on the next BSC.

Dr Sun Try
May 23, 2009


Plaster Town Cop

Woffle posted:

Ahem, Austin is going to be on the next BSC.

pls ask him how anime DS is

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


On the GB E3 podcast with the 84 dudes they mentioned CVXFreak being excited about RE7 and I thought LOL I used to argue with him about RE on GameFAQs 15 years ago and 1) he still goes by "cvxfreak" and 2) he's still into Resident Evil.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
He's not as into it as he used to be and the handle is ironic at this point... he used to have an obscenely large RE collection but now it's merely "avid collector" size, or so I hear.

Incidentally, he's also one of the co-founders of Brave Wave Records, the sorta-vanity label that put out the recent Street Fighter 2 vinyl records.

Osmosisch
Sep 9, 2007

I shall make everyone look like me! Then when they trick each other, they will say "oh that Coyote, he is the smartest one, he can even trick the great Coyote."



Grimey Drawer

Captain Invictus posted:

Austin Walker is leaving Giant Bomb, and thus the Giant Beastcast, which is basically the worst, but because he's been hired by Vice to be the editor-in-chief of their brand-new gaming section in Brooklyn, so maybe he'll have a podcast of his very own! Though it just won't be the same without him and Vinny together.

That's Idle Weekend territory though.... :allears:

John McClane
Nov 14, 2011

Captain Invictus posted:

Austin Walker is leaving Giant Bomb, and thus the Giant Beastcast, which is basically the worst, but because he's been hired by Vice to be the editor-in-chief of their brand-new gaming section in Brooklyn, so maybe he'll have a podcast of his very own! Though it just won't be the same without him and Vinny together.

For what it's worth, he's explicitly said he will be podcasting in some form at Vice. He just doesn't know what that looks like yet.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

John McClane posted:

For what it's worth, he's explicitly said he will be podcasting in some form at Vice. He just doesn't know what that looks like yet.

Game of Thrones recaps are the only podcasts anyone does anymore

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
If you haven't checked it out already, the easy allies coverage of e3 was fantastic since they had like 9 guys play there. Bonus is that they actually cover a wide range of games in extensive detail.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

John McClane posted:

For what it's worth, he's explicitly said he will be podcasting in some form at Vice. He just doesn't know what that looks like yet.
He's really good at banter and improv so I can only hope he hires someone similar to Vinny to bounce off of.

Like really, him and Vinny were almost as good as Jeff and Ryan were back in the day.

HolePisser1982
Nov 3, 2002

Woffle posted:

Ahem, Austin is going to be on the next BSC.

I have to say, you and Kole are doing a ridiculously good job. The entire Bloodborne season was fantastic, DS3 season is great so far with really good critiques. Abject Suffering, WOFF, Monster in my Podcast, Teenage Dirtbags, and The Pitch are all hilarious. It's crazy

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Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
They produce a lot of good content. It's a shame Gary has the mysterious curse that makes him always wrong; I assume he ran afoul of the same witch as Brad Shoemaker.

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