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ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Prester Jane posted:

While I agree with the rest of the points you made in your post, I personally disagree with this point. I do not think the people passing these laws are aware that they will simply be struck down, nor do I think that this is a cynical Ploy just to rile the bass up. Well that would have been absolutely true 15 years ago, in our post Tea Party World, I really think that these are genuine true believers who have been elected to positions of power that are pushing these policies.

I really think that the systematic effort by the Tea Party the primary everyone who was dumb enough to admit to having a rational opinion about governance and public has resulted in genuine True Believers seizing the reins of power in certain areas of the country. I don't believe at all that this is about just riling up the base at this point, this is about fighting a holy war against the alien other that is coming to destroy them all. They aren't really fighting to win, nor are they fighting to rile up the base 2 continue getting reelected. They're fighting because it's a righteous cause, and they perceived their only real two choices as being either that a passively going along with outright evil, or going down fighting the good fight.

I was about to ask if you had read Prester Jane's thread about this, but something tells me you already have :v:

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ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013


NC Governor Pat McCrory posted:

We're cool with the economic left tho, those guys are neat.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Quote is not edit

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Yardbomb posted:

Also Breivik should've sprayed his own brains on some trees and saved the people over there even the smallest amount of time and money. Though it would've been nicer if he'd also opted to do that before he shot anyone else in the first place.


Breivik never intended to be caught alive.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Badger of Basra posted:

A fun angle on the Olympics: outing closeted athletes for clicks. Bonus clicks if they are from repressive countries!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/08/11/the_daily_beast_s_olympics_grindr_stunt_is_dangerous_and_unethical.html

Holy poo poo, what a vile person.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013


I decided to read this for a laugh, but...

I can't recall ever getting this angry at an article.

I'm usually more emotionally detached, but something about this has just left me completely seething.

I'm... Just so angry.

Is it the self-righteousness? Is it the author treating the words and beliefs of political philosophers like infallible gospel, seemingly refusing to consider the possibility that the historical figures he respects and admires were flawed people like everyone else and may have had questionable views?

Is it the fact that he's so blatantly disregarding any evidence against his ideas, just so he can declare there never were any in the first place?

Is it the shocking lack of empathy and understanding coming from a supposed ardent leftist?

Is it the fact that he'd so willingly ruin the lives of all of us here in this thread just because he can't accept that his role models weren't flawless beacons of humanity?

Or is it the fact that he's a fundamentalist zealot who treats Stalinism as if it was his religion?

I stopped reading at the end of part two, I can't get past this:

Fred Phelps: Red Son posted:


No one can call himself a communist and support the reactionary LGBT movement. There will be no rainbow flags in a socialist state but the red banner of the proletariat!


I genuinely loathe this person. I can barely handle the pure loving contempt I feel towards him.

That's something I haven't been able to say about anyone for nearly a quarter of my life.

Nobody. Not a single person.

I'm not used to hate, not like this. It's... Not a good feeling.

I kinda regret clicking that link.

e: Sorry for the rant, but I really had to vent after reading that.

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 30, 2016

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Small Frozen Thing posted:

The heretic is always more hated than the heathen.

Which is to say, him being a "leftist" is why he's making you so angry.

Figured it was something like that.

It's just seeing something vaguely similar to your own beliefs, except twisted into a grotesque mockery...

I feel like I just got a much better understanding of intrareligious conflicts.

e: Oh and I'm not a tankie, just so that's clear.

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Aug 30, 2016

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

There's a piece here about homophobia and transphobia on the left that also addresses some of what might be going on in the 'very liberal' set too.

The first half of it also works as a good response to that dumbass 'Orthodox Marxist' guy who claimed that gay people are Uranians who use antiretrovirals to spread HIV to Africa to advance Jewish Freemasonry or whatever, that TinTower linked a while back. Not that he deserves a good response.

God, don't remind me.

Good article though, thanks for sharing.

I've seen too many leftists online denouncing identity politics as "a distraction from the real issues."

gently caress off.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

I'm fairly sure "privilege checkers" is just chess.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Treating old dudes from the past as infallible fonts of wisdom is probably one of my main annoyances with a lot of people on the far left.

It's like they can't accept that their idols were normal human beings who were perfectly capable of having both good and bad ideas at the same time. Morality isn't a zero-sum game.

Of course, "treating old dudes from the past as infallible fonts of wisdom" is popular across the board, particularly with the right, but I keep expecting the Left to be better than that.

Turns out left-wingers are just as fallible as anyone else.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Quorum posted:

gay warlocks

Tell me more.

I've been looking for a good career path.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

spotlessd posted:

Wow this didn't take long at all, did it? Who'd have thought a forum that exists entirely for smarmy liberal morons to congratulate themselves would spend more time pathologizing any view that doesn't fit into a tweet than actually engaging the argument. Tell me more about this irrepressible font of wisdom known as "the middle".

Capitalism is garbage and the workers should control the means of production.

Doesn't mean any of the big far-left philosophers should be treated as infallible beings who do no wrong.

The entire reason I brought that up was because I've seen it happening several times, like the guy linked in this thread a while ago who claimed that homosexuality had to be bad and wrong because Marx, Engels and Stalin didn't like it.

Thanks for making massive assumptions about my political beliefs, though.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

I blame ~~human nature~~

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

spotlessd posted:

You're so incredibly full of poo poo starting with the first sentence of your post. You're just a liberal. Come to terms with that now so we can move on to correcting this idiotic strawman. Oh heavens I was gonna be a leftist but now I'm not so sure! Please. Unless you're a graduate of the OwlFancier Academy of Uh Let's Just Call It Idiosyncratic Marxism you don't have a loving clue what you're even disagreeing with. You would if you read my posts but you blatantly didn't.

No True Marxman.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

UN Calls for Worldwide Decriminalization of Homosexuality. :un:

I wonder if anything will happen from this.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Yeah, I'm not exactly holding my breath about this.

On the other hand, at least they're trying. :kiddo:

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

OwlFancier posted:

Best wishes Mr and Mr Penguin.

thank

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Prester Jane posted:

I posed this in the RWM thread as well, but I think it is relevant enough to warrant a crosspost here.

God, this sounds scary :(

Have to say I'm glad I don't live in the US right now, hope the best for all of you over there.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Bethamphetamine posted:

In very weird news, this:



America's young earth creationist sweetheart is taking back the rainbow from gays and any spectrum of Norse/Asatru, by shining multicolor lights on his replica of Noah's ark, which is a giftshop.

Feel the sting of his blade, liberals. This winter solstice is reclaimed for Santa and christians!

how will my Norse slashfiction OTP ever make it to Midgard now

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Cocks Cable posted:

What' the opposite of fair weather?

Storm comrade?

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Dec 29, 2016

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Bi people are real and probably also cool, imo

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Vulpes Vvardenfell posted:

The bathroom bill put forth in Alabama says that you can have unisex bathrooms, but only if you have a security guard watching it.

Well of course.

Alabaman unisex toilets are remarkably rare, so you need some way to ward off poachers.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

fishmech posted:

Check yourself into a mental hospital immediately.

So in other words

Check yourself before you wreck yourself?

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ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

In other news, Slovenia has now legalised same-sex marriage.

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