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ClamdestineBoyster posted:I tried to order sea cucumber at a Chinese restaraunt and the waiter was being a real poo poo about it. He made me order something else. This also happens at thai places because everyone there is sick of wonderbreads ordering a ten heat and then being annoyed/bitchy when they regain consciousness. Of course usually they'll just say "ok" then bring you a 4. Anyway the cure for this is having a way to let them know you are cool. If you are familiar with a place and it's owners an' workers, this is already done for you. Otherwise throw the peace sign and then you can order off the part of the menu for real human beings.
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Un chien andalou posted:As true as this is, that isn't what the article is complaining about. The funny part about this is eating out is more expensive in america than most of the places these foods come from. Pho certainly does not cost the equivalent of 8 USD in vietnam. If you wanna write an article about how most foreign cuisine has been americanized and you have to go out of your way to find more authentic options then sure that's a pretty reasonable complaint about 'ethnic food' but acting like americans disrespect it is super weird.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:22
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And yeah a lot of asian places have secondary menus for people in the know or w/e, easiest way to get more authentic food is to go with someone that speaks mandarin etc.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:24
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Death By Yogurt posted:i eat nothing but my own poo poo sorry if i've offended any of you it wasn't bad enough that we bombed Germany to rubble in ww2, now you're appropriating their national cuisine
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Apr 26, 2016 22:26
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I would expect to pay more for good food. At the same time if the halal cart on the corner wants to charge me nothing for some quality product, I ain't correcting him. What I'm trying to say is: Death to white people.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:26
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ArbitraryC posted:And yeah a lot of asian places have secondary menus for people in the know or w/e, easiest way to get more authentic food is to go with someone that speaks mandarin etc. Seriously, they don't tend to be cagey about it. You can generally just ask for a little assistance if you can't read the cool people menu. They don't seperate it to keep the tasties to themselves, they do it because generally it is less to american tastes than the standard stuff on the western menu. Thais are the only ones who have straight up "not for whiteys"'d me to my face. And like I said before, they have legit reasons. Anyway the REAL best way to learn about kickass more traditional chinese food, at least, is to get invited to a dinner party of chinese-americans.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:33
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i tried to go to a blowjob bar in Japan and they 'not for whitey'd' me and I was pissed my god
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Apr 26, 2016 22:36
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If there is one thing PC culture has taught me, it's that as a white guy I am already super racist, and nothing I do will ever make up for the racistness of my existence. So why even try, let's just fire up the ovens.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:37
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Moridin920 posted:i tried to go to a blowjob bar in Japan and they 'not for whitey'd' me and I was pissed Wtf. SO messed up. On the other hand maybe you should be proud? Japanese blowjob girls couldn't handle your sad little pud.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:40
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Nathilus posted:Wtf. i may have a average or slightly less dick but i've seen Japan porn and let me tell you something buddy... they can keep their pubes to themselves anyway
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Apr 26, 2016 22:43
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Nathilus posted:Seriously, they don't tend to be cagey about it. You can generally just ask for a little assistance if you can't read the cool people menu. They don't seperate it to keep the tasties to themselves, they do it because generally it is less to american tastes than the standard stuff on the western menu. Thais are the only ones who have straight up "not for whiteys"'d me to my face. And like I said before, they have legit reasons.
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i think the headline of the article makes it seem like the person being interviewed is more outraged than they really are. he and his book are basically saying three things that i think are pretty simple and not particularly political correct madness. firstly, as far as i can tell, his book is mostly just about the history of US cuisine, which has (and still does) have implications regarding our collective understanding of race, nationality, and culture. considering how important food preparation has been since we first thought to stick poo poo over a fire before eating it and how drastically the way that food production and distribution have changed in the modern era i think this is a pretty interesting thing to look into. ultimately "authenticity" and the cultural significance of a regional food have become pure cultural artifice. now that you can, with enough money, have nearly any ingredient from around the world at your fingertips as opposed to only having access to whatever will grow within 10-50 miles of your house to eat, cuisine and a people's cultural connection to the food that they eat is becoming something that must be clung to more and more desperately if people don't want to lose that completely. the US has always been a nation defined by the forces of globalization which means that our culture is inherently defined by the friction between different cultural groups and the artifacts and products that make up their cultural identities. probably worth writing a book about, and possibly worth reading a book about if that sort of thing is of interest to you. as far as the Social Justice Hot Takes are concerned, the article is fairly mild. the second point that the author of the book seems to try to make is that it doesn't make sense to call regional food styles "ethnic" or "foreign" foods. those categorizations play into the idea that there's a small number of canonical cuisines (primarily the ones that have come from western europe) considered to be the inherent way that food is supposed to be, and another class of outsider foods that are weird and different. while this is a legitmate way of thinking for a single individual ( for example, ive just straight up never eaten ethopian food ever so having some would be a new and abnormal experience for me specifically) it can be a problem if the cultural landscape of the US in general thinks about non-western food in those terms. nobody is being called a racist for going out and getting food from a local thai restaurant, but it is vaguely racist to go to a thai restaurant and think of rice noodles in a stir fry dish as being Weird Spaghetti. you aren't committing a hate crime but it doesn't make sense in a global context to think of non-western foods as being bizarre or "other" while the box of barilla wheat spaghetti in your pantry is just normal regular noodles. you, the reader, are not being accused of being hitler, its just the united states in general has a janky view on a bunch of regional cuisines, and by extension has a janky view on those cultural groups in general. the final major claim that the book author seems to make in the interview is that we, as eaters who have access to such a massive range of cuisine options, should be aware of the reality of the food we are eating. when i go to get indian take out from the place down the road, i know that im not getting an Authentic Indian Experience. (as an aside, the idea of an outright "indian food" category is a little bit absurd considering the size, population, and regional variation that exists in the country) this is something that i accept and am fine with acknowledging openly. it would definitely be cool to go to a fine dining establishment for some proper south indian food but that restaurant does not exist in my suburban texas town, and if it did i would likely not have the money to afford it. a lot of this criticism is likely aimed at the kinds of people who go out for fine dining in new york and pay 30 dollars for a farm-to-table fried egg, which is probably not the demographic of the people ITT who feel frustrated with this article. the author of the book and the writer of the article are both entrenched in the world of People Who Cook All Day and Dream of Food All Night as industry insiders and are probably just writing to each other. its not for the lady who saw this shared on her facebook feed after picking up chick fil a on her way home from work. authenticity as a concept is becoming a bigger and bigger deal to people as technology does more to simultaneously connect us with the world at large and disconnect us from our immediate surroundings. figuring out how to navigate our feelings about what is and is not "authentic" is going to be an issue we (or at least, assholes who go to college) are going to be dealing with for a while to come. saying "hey, take a second to think about this important moment in history that we are currently experiencing" shouldn't be a threatening idea. i know that there is a lot of annoying bullshit polluting the discussion about these topics floating around lately but i do not think that the author of the book being interviewed in this article is part of that. ive not read the book though. the headline is also some click-driving hyperbole and thats annoying. dont worry your not all committing a holocaust when you go to a jewish deli and i dont think that this article is trying to say that you are.
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slouch posted:as far as the Social Justice Hot Takes are concerned, the article is fairly mild. the second point that the author of the book seems to try to make is that it doesn't make sense to call regional food styles "ethnic" or "foreign" foods. those categorizations play into the idea that there's a small number of canonical cuisines (primarily the ones that have come from western europe) considered to be the inherent way that food is supposed to be, and another class of outsider foods that are weird and different. except I can't even recall the last time anyone but that article referred to food as ethnic. People might say lets go get some thai/mexican/indian/whatever food but they certainly don't just suggest ethnic food as a thing. If you wanna narrow that complaint down to "china is a huge region and "Chinese food" kind of shortchanges the idea that there are cultural variances between regions there" I'd say that's just needlessly picky about a convenient shortcut in the language. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Moridin920 posted:i tried to go to a blowjob bar in Japan and they 'not for whitey'd' me and I was pissed This happened to my Dad. Plus they confiscated his porn when he left Japan. Pretty hosed up.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:56
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mayonnaise is white people food and it's fantastic
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Jerry Mumphrey posted:i tried to open a jewish deli that had one of those sushi trains for serving food and people got all offended Jewish sushi would actually be a pretty good idea for a fusion restaurant
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Moridin920 posted:they can keep their pubes to themselves anyway Word. ArbitraryC posted:Yeah my gf is from taiwan and there is a taiwanese dinner party every month that I go to with her, crazy good food. I'm just saying it's p easy to get the hidden menu options with someone that does speak the language, I'm sure you could ask too on your own but it's a better experience with friends who know the ropes imo. Yeah, truth. But you have to be prepared to be stuffed like some kind of prize animal. Oh wait I'm a goon who am I kidding that owns.
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Apr 26, 2016 23:00
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Calling certain food "ethnic" is like calling black people "colored". Society as a whole cut that poo poo out a good while ago.
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I'm fine with westernized Chinese because tbh I don't want to eat chicken feet, they are gross. Bring me some General Chingchong's Chickity China Chinese Chicken from Lucky Panda Lotus Dragon instead please
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ArbitraryC posted:except I can't even recall the last time anyone but that article referred to food as ethnic. People might say lets go get some thai/mexican/indian/whatever food but they certainly don't just suggest ethnic food as a thing. If you wanna narrow that complaint down to "china is a huge region and "Chinese food" kind of shortchanges the idea that there are cultural variances between regions there" I'd say that's just needlessly picky about a convenient shortcut in the language. I hope you get food poisoning
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:I'm fine with westernized Chinese because tbh I don't want to eat chicken feet, they are gross. Bring me some General Chingchong's Chickity China Chinese Chicken from Lucky Panda Lotus Dragon instead please Whew! A lil edgy don't you think, mang?
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I love that article's sneering tone about how dumb whitey can't tell nationalities apart  Also someone should tell them that "non-ethnic" food like French is nearly always cooked by a Mexican chef
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ArbitraryC posted:except I can't even recall the last time anyone but that article referred to food as ethnic. People might say lets go get some thai/mexican/indian/whatever food but they certainly don't just suggest ethnic food as a thing. If you wanna narrow that complaint down to "china is a huge region and "Chinese food" kind of shortchanges the idea that there are cultural variances between regions there" I'd say that's just needlessly picky about a convenient shortcut in the language. yeah I mean I feel like I read it and the only valid complaint is 'why are you calling this food 'ethnic'' but like you said, I don't know anyone who actually says 'ethnic food.' I thought it was maybe going to get into how this 'ethnic food' is really just Americanized versions of everything and you're not actually eating authentic Thai or whatever but that's kinda nitpicky and not really racist either way. just people adapting their cuisine to the tastes of the people they are trying to sell to. quote:If you wanna narrow that complaint down to "china is a huge region and "Chinese food" kind of shortchanges the idea that there are cultural variances between regions there" I'd say that's just needlessly picky about a convenient shortcut in the language. See that's more fair but then again most of the time 'Chinese' food is your only choice. If I'm in LA though, I'll definitely say 'I like that Szechuan place' because it *is* Szechuan. But here in North San Diego you don't really get the variety of different regional cuisines (well maybe if you go to Mira Mesa). It's not fair to say 'oh you just refer to all foods from this country as the same regardless of regional differences' if there's basically 1 choice to begin with: the Americanized version. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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hum bao pork su mai sticky rice spare ribs chickie feet
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Nathilus posted:Whew! A lil edgy don't you think, mang? no it's fine I just order off the SECRET AUTHENTIC MENU like a cool totally hip whitey, then I put on my sunglasses and lean back in my chair and wait for those sea cucumber cracklins to just rollllll in
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Apr 26, 2016 23:05
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Haha stupid racist white people can't tell Chinese people apart from other Asians, unlike me 
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i dunno man, i been all over india and the food there pretty much tastes exactly like the poo poo they serve in the us restaurants. except here we don't usually poo poo and piss in huge holes in the floor and throw dead grandma into the nearest river
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I'm going to eat a pussy to insult the chinese
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:no it's fine I just order off the SECRET AUTHENTIC MENU like a cool totally hip whitey, then I put on my sunglasses and lean back in my chair and wait for those sea cucumber cracklins to just rollllll in Wonderbread spotted. You disgust me. I am very liberal and hip. You are subhuman. I like good food. You like eating literal feces.
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are the people who are upset that I eat at taco bell the same breed of people that throw hissy fits when I dare call my ham I buy at the grocery black forest and the cheese I use on it swiss? Then I drink champagne from california they get upset saying that it has to be from their filth covered dirt in french land?
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"And they even *gasp* use different people instead of authentic Japanese staff!" *ignores the fact that every Michelin star restaurant in America has Mexican chefs*
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im upset when people eat taco bell around here but only because it's so poo poo compared to the numerous taco shops all over the place down here
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if u order a "coke" off the secret menu, the chef will put "pee-pee" in it just like in wulong provinxce
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ArbitraryC posted:Yeah my gf is from taiwan and there is a taiwanese dinner party every month that I go to with her, crazy good food. I'm just saying it's p easy to get the hidden menu options with someone that does speak the language, I'm sure you could ask too on your own but it's a better experience with friends who know the ropes imo. What's his name. Moridin920 posted:im upset when people eat taco bell around here but only because it's so poo poo compared to the numerous taco shops all over the place down here You aren't getting authentic Mexican food unless you get it from a trailer parked near a gas station. Pretty good place to score Cocaine too. Dreddout fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Moridin920 posted:I thought it was maybe going to get into how this 'ethnic food' is really just Americanized versions of everything and you're not actually eating authentic Thai or whatever but that's kinda nitpicky and not really racist either way. just people adapting their cuisine to the tastes of the people they are trying to sell to.
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BeefThief posted:if u order a "coke" off the secret menu, the chef will put "pee-pee" in it just like in wulong provinxce Uh hello its spelled pi-pi
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