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Endie posted:At the height of the pastebin drama a person from PL pinged me on skype and asked if we'd be interested. I didn't approach PL, because for all that we joked about it for years I didn't think that they'd take a gsf corp. ...ElitistOps?
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Endie posted:At the height of the pastebin drama a person from PL pinged me on skype and asked if we'd be interested. I didn't approach PL, because for all that we joked about it for years I didn't think that they'd take a gsf corp.  It was just an operating assumption of mine, loosely reinforced by a few super brief conversations with a few people at a point I wasn't super active (much like the present).You and the BAT crew were a good addition either way.
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Massasoit posted:Man why do people take spaceships so seriously idgi I understand the possibility of not taking a thing seriously in the abstract sense, but who has time for that poo poo. Now if you fine gentlemen will excuse me, I have some crunches to do.
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Endie posted:At the height of the pastebin drama a person from PL pinged me on skype and asked if we'd be interested. I didn't approach PL, because for all that we joked about it for years I didn't think that they'd take a gsf corp. And this is a great example of the "You have to ask me three times, no really. I insist you ask" I referenced in more depth in my wall of words. It's what I mean by a limited, predictable playbook. Once you know what to look for, that's all there is to Endie, and poof, the mystery vanishes.
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Thanks: it has been a tough task as a transition which some people found too much of a change in the following months, but I could get quite gushing and embarrassing about the way we were offered a home at a hard time for us. There were a handful of others who made similar offers to whom I was very grateful - two of them inside the Imperium, which showed real bravery on their part - and I feel we owe them, too.
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Endie posted:Thanks: it has been a tough task as a transition which some people found too much of a change in the following months, but I could get quite gushing and embarrassing about the way we were offered a home at a hard time for us. There were a handful of others who made similar offers to whom I was very grateful - two of them inside the Imperium, which showed real bravery on their part - and I feel we owe them, too. And this is Endie as martyr. Seriously dude, it's like you're not even trying to mix it up. Even when I called your short for you. Put in some effort here.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Also tell me more about this lethal sig. I can't find anything about it. It was, but it died right before the invasion of FCON space due to the leader/FC leaving, and the former FC/leader who took it over again changing all the (expensive) doctrines, letting in the aforementioned 16 year old shitlord, and then jetting when people got mad at hime for making them spend a billion ISK updating the Proteus fit that lethal never took out anyhow. For a while it was a decent SIG, we took out a few ~25ish member Machariel roams and dunked a few groups of idiots, but even then you were lucky if there was one fleet a month that you could actually participate in.
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facultas posted:And this is Endie as martyr. Jesus Christ you sure do like to put alot of effort into trying to "defame" someone in a video game who hardly plays.
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facultas posted:And this is Endie as martyr. You're pretty poo poo at this whole "I don't care, seriously- I don't" shtick. Treading on psychotic ex-girlfriend territory now.
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CasinoV posted:Jesus Christ you sure do like to put alot of effort into trying to "defame" someone in a video game who hardly plays. could we maybe not pretend to be stunned that people who have collectively put decades of effort into computer game relationships are continuing to put effort into computer game relationships? it seems kind of like waking up and expressing surprise at the breathability of oxygen, at this point.
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Daco Vato posted:ink squirt Counter point: This poo poo was going to get aired eventually anyways. Best to just hammer it out now and be done with it.
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All this drama is why I just don't care to have any real stake in the game and just fly with Sigma Squad, the most chillest of squads. We just do whatever, fly around and blow up spaceships or chill out and mine space rocks. Sigma Squad is the best squad.
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Numismancer posted:I understand the possibility of not taking a thing seriously in the abstract sense, but who has time for that poo poo. Now if you fine gentlemen will excuse me, I have some crunches to do. Two things: The second video is blocked for me, and gently caress you it wasn't even actually footage of you doing actual human exercise. I am disappointed in you. Good choice of film though. It really plays to the "weird eye contact making" psychopath thing the grr Mittani types subscribe to. Side note; I want some actual PHD holding scientists to conduct a study to see if EVE is a virus that swiss cheeses people's brains of if its just a lodestone that attracts the type with pre existing conditions.
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evilweasel posted:endie did this endlessly when discussing stuff in illum/tsc, it was why i was really glad to see him go So if endie was totally the omegahitler who never did anything useful for all those years, why was he still allowed in the super secret channels? Like it's been said over and over that people who aren't working anymore lose all their access, but supposedly endie just got to keep all of it. It smells like bullshit.
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Carth Dookie posted:Two things: Lodestone.
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Wings_SWMud posted:could we maybe not pretend to be stunned that people who have collectively put decades of effort into computer game relationships are continuing to put effort into computer game relationships? it seems kind of like waking up and expressing surprise at the breathability of oxygen, at this point. I'm not surprised, at this point its almost pity. I don't think I could every write 500 words, let along thousands upon thousands, about a single person after playing this game for 9 years.
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Xolve posted:Lodestone. I 'unno there seems to be plenty of more or less ordinary people who seem to undergo a mysterious transformation after excess exposure to spaceships and spreadsheets.
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evilweasel posted:endie did this endlessly when discussing stuff in illum/tsc, it was why i was really glad to see him go That's actually how I started this whole pile, it was my opinion that somethings were being done poorly and throwing a spotlight on it would have a multifold effect of drawing attention to it, and get people thinking "Can we do better? Yes we can!" It's kind of grown into a vehicle for director grievances now though, which wasn't the original intent, though it IS very interesting to see the curtain pulled back. I personally think criticisms, arguments and opposing viewpoints make the org stronger. Glory of Arioch posted:
Delve was a loving GREAT decision.
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feedmegin posted:...ElitistOps? No you see the people in elitistops were pubbie j4gs all along and were no truegoons
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Massasoit posted:Man why do people take spaceships so seriously idgi It's not the spaceships; it's the amount of effort needed to corral thousands of spaceship nerds into doing things effectively. Some of the poo poo Mittens is saying up there is poo poo people pay thousands to hear about at "leadership seminars", or spend years learning in the military. If you pay attention to what he does, it's basically a free lesson in organizational management if you can look at it objectively rther than through the lens of which space tribe you're part of. Unfortunately there's all of like 5 people in EVE that can manage that.
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CasinoV posted:I'm not surprised, at this point its almost pity. I don't think I could every write 500 words, let along thousands upon thousands, about a single person after playing this game for 9 years. That's extremely weird too, though? Or, at least, not any less so than being able to. I mean I have dozens of people I could talk about for ages, because I've spent years and years doing stuff with them, helping them, telling them off, making things happen or not happen with them, whatever - so I have Strong Opinions on some of them, some of the things they do, say, etc. Of course I bloody do, it would be utterly bizarre if I didn't. I don't feel the need to go out and write an essay about any of that because I have enough stuff to be getting on with, but I will say this: If I'd just spent 18 months being relentlessly, unceasingly shat on by thousands of people, most of them, whatever you make of any of the arguments involved, completely uninformed and getting on a bandwagon for internet points, I'd be screaming from the loving rooftops about what I thought about every last one of them, would continue to do so for a long time, and I sure as hell wouldn't have waited this long to start; I think it's the height of at best stupidity to suggest that any normal person (as opposed to, re eve players, your average-autist-off-the-street, who probably wouldn't  ) would do anything else.
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Xolve posted:You're pretty poo poo at this whole "I don't care, seriously- I don't" shtick. I don't think you want to be throwing stones about mental health, especially when defending Endie - the guy who takes it so very, very seriously if you say someone is crazy (or a traitor) on the internet. Also, you're the stolen valor guy who invented a bunch of personal stories about your ~military service~ while you were in The Suicide Kings. Don't step. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Numismancer posted:I don't think you want to be throwing stones about mental health, especially when defending Endie - the guy who takes it so very, very seriously if you say someone is crazy (or a traitor) on the internet. I think you just gave him a purple heart.
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Holy poo poo, this thread has gotten good. Hello Goons! I used to run Padded Helmets and was in Illum and later TSC from 2010 to 2015. Ask me anything. [I'm going to try to read through Sion's post and get my own reply together since I have a distinctive viewpoint on the Rise And Fall of The Clusterfuck Coalition, but it will probably take a bit.]
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Rhymenoserous posted:W-hat. Yep. Xolve makes poo poo up about himself and got his hand caught in a cookie jar a long time ago. When I found he'd somehow been let into GSF last year, I banned him immediately.  If memory serves, he blamed someone else for his purge and howled on the old thread for a while about it.
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Numismancer posted:I don't think you want to be throwing stones about mental health, especially when defending Endie - the guy who takes it so very, very seriously if you say someone is crazy (or a traitor) on the internet. i just want to point out that our good friend tallardar is currently serving a stint in the leper's colony for baseless accusations like this e: tallardar aka funny poster
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Kazanir posted:Holy poo poo, this thread has gotten good. I liked your shipping service far more than ITIL for what it's worth.
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Carth Dookie posted:I 'unno there seems to be plenty of more or less ordinary people who seem to undergo a mysterious transformation after excess exposure to spaceships and spreadsheets. Plenty of "ordinary" people can turn tribal given the proper psychological nudges. The high effort invested in Eve is itself a pretty good nudge. I'm the guy who shits on political parties and jingoism but even after a few months of Eve I found myself getting defensive of GSF in WWB on le reddits Rhymenoserous posted:W-hat. hosed up if true really hosed up if not true like Gorski Car x10
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Rhymenoserous posted:I personally think criticisms, arguments and opposing viewpoints make the org stronger. I fully agree with this statement. I'm a big fan of testing arguments and viewpoints against each other to see which is right or more likely to be optimal. It's one of the many reasons that having a diverse crew of directors has always served GSF so well, always had a broad cross section of opinions, ideas and insights and people who would defend and back up their reasons for said opinions, ideas and insights. To make best use of that though, you have to have a reasonable environment where people are comfortable disagreeing with each other, don't feel threatened for offering criticisms, and recognize that though they may disagree on points everyone has the best interest of the alliance at heart. Mittani is exceptionally good at this, and when people disagreed on matters of policy as they so frequently did, he'd listen to all sides of an argument, perhaps offer his own position with which people would argue, and would try to reach the best policy regardless of the source of the idea. He'd also frequently pull stuff he saw or heard from line members in for discussion or to implement as policy. A good idea is a good idea, regardless of source. And testing two good ideas against each other requires exactly what you say, arguments and sincere opposing viewpoints. This system however breaks down if people are ego invested in something, believe they are always right, don't trust each other, or can't handle that the idea wasn't theirs. It requires a measure of shared trust and shared goals, shared intent, and an acceptance that it's possible to argue without being argumentative. It's why you aren't going to see a real discussion on SA about hashing out the mistakes that were made, there's no shared goals, just agendas and I-told-you-sos from people with no stake whatsoever in GSF as an alliance. But internally before I left, there very much were multiple discussions about events and what could be done better next time. To illustrate, I'm an outspoken and opinionated guy. Always have been. If I thought something was stupid, wrong, or could be done better, I'd say so, and I'd offer my own interpretation and solution to something. I was eventually space promoted because I'd argue points and policy and frequently disagreed with people who "outranked" me, including Mittani, from when I started as a junior diplomat. My solutions weren't always picked, but as Vile Rat told us all at the time, "never get too attached to a position." It was another good life lesson, and one which is particularly true in the fast moving world of space politics. Sometimes your idea won't be the best idea, sometimes it will be but people won't recognize it as such. In the latter case, that too would eventually be dissected. "Well so-and-so said this was dumb and that we should have done x, we didn't, they were right, let's look at why they were right so we can be better in the future." A system where testing ideas with open criticism does have weaknesses, one of the biggest among those weaknesses being that toxicity or ill intent can masquerade as honest criticism. This is possible to mitigate though, and a pretty good rule of thumb regarding intent is if someone offers their own solution to a issue. If someone has their own idea as to a resolution to a problem, and is willing to defend it, then odds are high that the disagreement is genuine, and should be treated as such. If the criticism is has no associated counter solution or is a string of "can't", "bad idea", or personal attacks, odds are high that's it's it isn't legitimate. Differentiating between legitimate disagreements and concern trolls or the like, and then handing the process of working through legitimate disagreements isn't really that hard, but it's where a lot of space organizations (and real life organizations too) go wrong. They either confuse legitimate policy disagreements with ego related "my idea is better because I'm better" type stuff, or they completely fail to identify that not all criticism comes from a well intentioned point of departure.
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i really need to set the record straight here in the eve-online thread of https://www.somethingawful.com plz read my 5000 words and take them to heart.
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MacPac posted:i really need to set the record straight here in the eve-online thread of https://www.somethingawful.com plz read my 5000 words and take them to heart. its important and well, im glad someone is here to clear the air about any bad intentions of our space government
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Numismancer posted:I don't think you want to be throwing stones about mental health, especially when defending Endie - the guy who takes it so very, very seriously if you say someone is crazy (or a traitor) on the internet. You can't stop at that last statement I need details.
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Morris posted:Plenty of "ordinary" people can turn tribal given the proper psychological nudges. The high effort invested in Eve is itself a pretty good nudge. I'm the guy who shits on political parties and jingoism but even after a few months of Eve I found myself getting defensive of GSF in WWB on le reddits It's drat common on the interwebs even though everyone gets hot and bothered when it crops up. He will, of course, deny. That's the thing about the spy game, you see a lot of common lies and inventions repeated to the point that they cease to outrage and then you're a little surprised when other people, confronted with the same common bullshit, react with total outrage. People create double lives on the internet, claiming you're a vet is standard Mary Sue fanfic poo poo. My outrage circuits are burned out after a decade in the trenches with the best and worst of human nature, it takes a lot to raise my eyebrows.
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Numismancer posted:Yep. ROFL. Okay guy.
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i read the whole thing dreamin' posted:In the end maybe you should both sleep well knowing that both of you managed to convince a large amount of idiots on the internet that the other is literally hitler
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Numismancer posted:It's drat common on the interwebs even though everyone gets hot and bothered when it crops up. He will, of course, deny. That's the thing about the spy game, you see a lot of common lies and inventions repeated to the point that they cease to outrage and then you're a little surprised when other people, confronted with the same common bullshit, react with total outrage. I'm a veteran of the space war on the internet. Give me a medal. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:I'm a veteran of the space war on the internet. Give me a medal. Please submit your request to the Director of Medals, Kcolor~
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