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Cathode Raymond posted:You should not, under any circumstances, make a story that includes time travel AND amnesia. AND possession. Although now I'm being ridiculous because no one would write a story with all three. Right? The Watchers, they laugh.
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Cathode Raymond posted:Memento comes to mind, it's a movie but it does a good job with anterograde amnesia. I would say that KotOR was good in spite of including amnesia rather than because of it. Hey, Fire Emblem Awakening was perfectly decent!
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Silent Hill 2 has the decency to not reveal that James has forgotten what he actually did until the final act of the game, which makes it much better. I don't think you actually had amnesia in New Vegas, maybe some to excuse the basic Wasteland questions. I should mention that I really did not like Lonesome Road, so I view it more as "Ulysses is out of his mind and who knows if half the stuff he's saying is true",
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Well, that was depressing and this crappy game has only just begun. Toriyama needs some professional help. I also agree about Ghost Trick using the amnesia well, but explaining just why would lead us into spoiler territory.
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I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? 
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Cathode Raymond posted:Memento comes to mind, it's a movie but it does a good job with anterograde amnesia. I would say that KotOR was good in spite of including amnesia rather than because of it. Given how little they cared about the meat suits in the prologue, I have little hope that they'll treat the possession with respect here unless there's a dramatic change in the story arc. Kavak posted:I don't think you actually had amnesia in New Vegas, maybe some to excuse the basic Wasteland questions. I should mention that I really did not like Lonesome Road, so I view it more as "Ulysses is out of his mind and who knows if half the stuff he's saying is true", The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage?
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Geostomp posted:Well, that was depressing and this crappy game has only just begun. Toriyama needs some professional help. Well in Ghost Trick, which to the uninitiated is very much an interactive visual novel, the amount of knowledge the player has is constantly reflected by the protagonist. The deductions, reveals and logic process of the protagonist when they start to find out about their past do very much match what the average player would think. It's incredibly well written and most of all as a game it's executed terrifically.
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The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? Byers2142 posted:gently caress. That sums it up pretty good. Why. What. No.
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Glazius posted:The best defensive gear is free and everything else is wankbait unlocks? Ummm, I believe it was made clear that the best gear is and always will be that of the ever-perfect Lightning.
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The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? Xenosaga? 
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The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? god....loving dammit, id.
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Glazius posted:Yeah, this is just kind of ridiculous. The best defensive gear is free and everything else is wankbait unlocks? Or do they at least have some kind of special power in addition to the defense rating? Didn't you read the Lightning costume description? If Aya gets shredded enough, you can see Lightning's tattoo! That's kind of like a special power... ..,you do like Lightning, right? And FFXIII? And Lightning? and FF XIII?and Lightning? and FFXIII...
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Everyone should play Ghost Trick. Other games that pulled off amnesia reasonably well: Final Fantasy VI, VII, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and Amnesia This game's reminding me a bit of Lightning Returns, in that there's some creepy dressup and major gameplay elements are locked behind subsequent playthroughs. Unlike LR, this doesn't look fun to play at all. Thanks for suffering for us, id 
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Kavak posted:I don't think you actually had amnesia in New Vegas, maybe some to excuse the basic Wasteland questions. I should mention that I really did not like Lonesome Road, so I view it more as "Ulysses is out of his mind and who knows if half the stuff he's saying is true", In FONV, you can decide it however you want. You get shot in the head and your character is clearly out of it at the start, but there's many dialogue options later that say that you have your memory back, so either you're exaggerating it for personal gain or you get better. You decide, because it's a story with agency.
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The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? Can you use the creepy music from Drakengard for these updates.
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The Dark Id posted:I nixed it in this update after deciding we ought to dive right in to the dress up creepshow. But hey, you know how Final Fantasy XIII hid away a lot of information about the world and what was happening, as well as background information on characters in an optional datalog codex separated from the main game? Guuuuueeess what game was a dry run for that sorta garbage? 
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Defiance Industries posted:In FONV, you can decide it however you want. You get shot in the head and your character is clearly out of it at the start, but there's many dialogue options later that say that you have your memory back, so either you're exaggerating it for personal gain or you get better. You decide, because it's a story with agency. The discussion was more about the plotline of the DLCs, but I liked how you could just have knowledge of all the stuff that happened in Fallouts 1 and 2. It let me roleplay as an NCR citizen and I never felt like I was being taken out of the game for knowing what happened in its predecessors.
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You know, I could almost see someone unlocking those alternate costumes back when the first Parasite Eve came out. Almost. But this came out in 2011 and there's a little thing called Google that I don't think the developers knew about. So if Aya has none of her memories or her powers, does this relate at all to the rest of the series? Or is it the Ghost Babel of Parasite Eve?
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I try find some comfort in telling myself that this game was released around SE's design nadir (for reference, the original FFXIV came out only a few months beforehand - the one that nearly sank the company for good) and they've been reversing course on all these awful trends ever since. You could even see that in FFXIII, which was a reeking trainwreck in its first installment and clawed its way up to "still ridiculous, but pretty good" by Lightning Returns. It doesn't save the Parasite Eve franchise, though. It's such a shame, because Aya was always one of the best female protagonists in the business. She got her JRPG heroine start in a loving evening gown and still took command of the situation. She clowned nearly every wannabe male hero that wandered into her line of sight. She read a monster's mind after burning it to death and mocked its dying thoughts. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 03:58 on May 2, 2016 |
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:So if Aya has none of her memories or her powers, does this relate at all to the rest of the series? Or is it the Ghost Babel of Parasite Eve? Characters from Parasite Eve 1 and 2 show up. It's a direct sequel. Sorry, no alternate universe out clause.
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dis astranagant posted:I miss sassy Aya from PE2. Shame we'll never see her again. Her inner monologue from when you examined things two or three times made the game feel way less empty than it actually was.
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:Final Fantasy VI, VII Given the cross-pollination between Final Fantasy and the 3rd Birthday, I guess it's no surprise they went to that well again.
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DOOP posted:this is awful I don't think it's going to do much to him, we already know he's bomb-proof.
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DOOP posted:this is awful He'll be fine.
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Byers2142 posted:I've never noticed it before, but there's an interesting (well, to me) line that you can draw from FFVI on in the series where Square began to lean more and more on the idea of "mysterious past" in their characters to propel a storyline, with amnesia of one sort or another being the primary go-to method to do this. If you wanted to plant a flag at the start of when amnesia really became a crutch for them, it starts there with the popularity of those stories and flows through. Over time, it arguably led to more and more contrived situations and bad plot decisions in their stories, as well, possibly because the writers focused more on the the fact that amnesia and mysterious pasts worked and was popular, and less on why they worked. Galuf has amnesia in V and I'm pretty sure it shows up in IV somehow. VII is where it went from just being a plot element to the plot element.
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The Dark Id posted:Normally, I’d show off all the bonus poo poo in a game at the end of a LP. But, I’m sure as gently caress not replaying this game and doing the ridiculous requirements to unlock all of Aya’s costume. Nor do I want to engage with Toriyama’s dress-up fetish wear any more than necessary. So let’s just go ahead and load up a 100% complete save thanks to the PSP having no save security and get this elephant in the room out of the way this update. Gonna just be upfront about The 3rd Birthday being a complete creeper of a video game. Great, this part. Alright, I guess she's going to be wearing skimpy armor or high tech bikini bullshit or— gently caress's sake
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Byers2142 posted:I've never noticed it before, but there's an interesting (well, to me) line that you can draw from FFVI on in the series where Square began to lean more and more on the idea of "mysterious past" in their characters to propel a storyline, with amnesia of one sort or another being the primary go-to method to do this. If you wanted to plant a flag at the start of when amnesia really became a crutch for them, it starts there with the popularity of those stories and flows through. Over time, it arguably led to more and more contrived situations and bad plot decisions in their stories, as well, possibly because the writers focused more on the the fact that amnesia and mysterious pasts worked and was popular, and less on why they worked. One of the things I liked about FFX was the fact that everyone thought Tidus had amnesia because they thought that was perfectly reasonable given his situation.
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Chokes McGee posted:Great, this part. Alright, I guess she's going to be wearing skimpy armor or high tech bikini bullshit or— I found the costume descriptions really weird. I mean, Aya's supposed to be some sort of time-traveling gene demon who possesses people and lives in a loving prison cell. When does she dress up as a maid? When does she put on that American McGee's Playboy number with the shiny bunny ears? I'm starting to think that maybe the dev team didn't keep Aya's characterization consistent between the main game, the cutscenes, and the weird load out screens.
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Cathode Raymond posted:I found the costume descriptions really weird. No kidding. Besides HEY HERE'S A SEXY MAGE ON THE BATTLEFIELD catching me offguard, somehow, the descriptions are even worse. If you just thought we were being mildly creepy, well hey, here's something to disprove that in a hurry! Cathode Raymond posted:American McGee's Playboy God dammit now I want to see the train wreck this would be
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For those of you who missed out, here's a quick summary of the plot of Parasite Eve the First:
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Byers2142 posted:I've never noticed it before, but there's an interesting (well, to me) line that you can draw from FFVI on in the series where Square began to lean more and more on the idea of "mysterious past" in their characters to propel a storyline, with amnesia of one sort or another being the primary go-to method to do this. If you wanted to plant a flag at the start of when amnesia really became a crutch for them, it starts there with the popularity of those stories and flows through. Over time, it arguably led to more and more contrived situations and bad plot decisions in their stories, as well, possibly because the writers focused more on the the fact that amnesia and mysterious pasts worked and was popular, and less on why they worked. That is a pretty interesting observation. It's like they noticed the things that worked once (Amnesia in VI/VII, time travel in Chrono Trigger, dress up/job systems in III/V/X-2, etc.) and then ramped that poo poo up to eleven, not realizing that it wasn't so much the plot and gameplay elements themselves that worked but the executions thereof. Like someone waaaaay back in the Chrono Cross thread said, where FFVII was (arguably) a bad story executed well, CC was (arguably) a good story executed like garbage. And this game is poo poo on every count, so it's kind of a moot point
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HOLY poo poo!  How many women does Toriyama have chained up in his basement so he can reenact his hosed up Barbie fantasies? I demand an investigation.That whole costume mechanic is so downright nasty that it made me immediately forget how horribly convoluted the DNA upgrade system is. And as Dark Id pointed out in the second update, you will never be controlling Aya on her own- she's always possessing soldiers. So that should negate both the upgrade mechanic and the Erotic Barbie mechanic, but I guess this game is where sense- not to mention good taste- goes to die. get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 06:15 on May 2, 2016 |
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kw0134 posted:And then it followed it right up in VIII with it's utterly ridiculous amnesia plot element that made everyone realize the writers were hacks Not only is the idea stupid, but it's introduced at a time where the only purpose is to make things more dramatic for the player. Anyone half-competent would have had Irvine tell everyone in response to losing his poo poo at the end of disc 1, assuming they were forced to do it by company execs or something.
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