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gay picnic defence posted:If the ALP had shown a shred of leadership on the issue we might not have to make the choice you're offering. Like when they got rid of Howard's measures then got slaughtered in the polls?
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May 2, 2016 11:36
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In the last thread someone posted a good primer on Negative Gearing, can that get posted again? I'd like to refer someone to it.
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May 2, 2016 11:37
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Although he probably does like Nickelback, the boring sod that he is
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May 2, 2016 11:37
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EvilElmo posted:Would you prefer the ALP to have the Greens asylum seeker policy and remain in opposition or for them to have the current policy with a chance of forming Government? Can I go with the humane asylum seeker policy? Not torturing innocent people is a fairly simple line in the sand. Crossing it for any reason, makes you wrong on a fundamental level. You are literally advocating crimes against humanity for the sake of political power.
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May 2, 2016 11:38
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Negligent posted:Although he probably does like Nickelback, the boring sod that he is Even the Queensland Police hate Nickelback. 
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May 2, 2016 11:39
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May 2, 2016 11:40
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KennyTheFish posted:Can I go with the humane asylum seeker policy? Anything other than Liberal policy is "soft on boats, they wan't people to die at sea". The electorate wanted a change of asylum seeker policy, briefly, then people died at sea, so now they can hide behind that as them wanting tough borders. It's worth pointing out, 20% of the Green vote believe the Government is too soft or correct in their asylum policy. With 24% saying it is responsible or fair. edit: The Greens and the section (reasonable in size) of the ALP who want change need to start figuring out how to change the view in the seats that matter. Currently that isn't happening. Until that happens, the policy that is in place will remain. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 11:52 on May 2, 2016 |
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May 2, 2016 11:49
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EvilElmo posted:Would you prefer the ALP to have the Greens asylum seeker policy and remain in opposition or for them to have the current policy with a chance of forming Government? I actually vote for the Greens based on economic, environmental and LGBT grounds before asylum seeker policy enters in*, so you might be picking this fight with the wrong person. *Don't get me wrong, I agree with them on the asylum seeker situation as well, but things directly relevant to my life hold greater sway over my vote than that.
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May 2, 2016 11:52
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EvilElmo posted:Like when they got rid of Howard's measures then got slaughtered in the polls? Changing legislation alone isn't leadership. Leadership is selling an idea to people and bringing them along with you.
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gay picnic defence posted:Changing legislation alone isn't leadership. Leadership is selling an idea to people and bringing them along with you. Interesting definition. Why aren't the Greens showing leadership?
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May 2, 2016 11:59
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Dan Didio posted:In the last thread someone posted a good primer on Negative Gearing, can that get posted again? I'd like to refer someone to it. I don't have it, but in a similar vein back in the Abbott/Hockey years there was of course the Medicare co-payment, and I remember that the numbers around the average number of visits per year were based on some very dodgy assumptions. I think maybe Freudian Slip had done them? Does anyone remember that story, and maybe have a link to the post?
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Half the problem with people 'wanting' certain policies is entirely based on them being lied to anyway. That doesn't delegitimize the parties that actually have sane, humane, evidence based policies. That just points out something is hideously loving wrong with the system. Votes towards Greens sends the message to the ALP that people still want left leaning parties, majority or no. The ALP swinging to the right isn't going to win them right-wing votes since those voters already have the LNP, but they could win Green votes if they actually acted like a left-wing party. And most greens would probably be perfectly fine with an ALP that wasn't just LNP-lite being in power, I'm sure.
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Gorbash posted:I don't have it, but in a similar vein back in the Abbott/Hockey years there was of course the Medicare co-payment, and I remember that the numbers around the average number of visits per year were based on some very dodgy assumptions. I think maybe Freudian Slip had done them? Does anyone remember that story, and maybe have a link to the post? Spectacularly wrong http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/tony-shepherd-incorrect-doctor-visits/5436706
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May 2, 2016 12:02
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KennyTheFish posted:Can I go with the humane asylum seeker policy? I think it's a stretch to call it Torture. We're not waterboarding them, nor tearing off their fingernails, nor forcing them to go without sleep. They made the choice to try to come here knowing what would happen and are free to return to their own country at any time. If I could teleport them instantly back to say Indonesia, I would.
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LibertyCat posted:I think it's a stretch to call it Torture. We're not waterboarding them, nor tearing off their fingernails, nor forcing them to go without sleep. They made the choice to try to come here knowing what would happen and are free to return to their own country at any time. yeah but you're insane
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LibertyCat posted:I think it's a stretch to call it Torture. We're not waterboarding them, nor tearing off their fingernails, nor forcing them to go without sleep. They made the choice to try to come here knowing what would happen and are free to return to their own country at any time. People are literally killing themselves rather than go back to whatever they escaped from, and you keep trotting this out like they're just on loving vacation or something. What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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May 2, 2016 12:06
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EvilElmo posted:Like when they got rid of Howard's measures then got slaughtered in the polls? Yeah, there was nothing else going on in the Labor Party at the time affecting their popularity.
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May 2, 2016 12:08
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just admit you like that official ALP policy supports torturing asylum seekers until they kill themselves, dude
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May 2, 2016 12:10
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EvilElmo posted:Interesting definition. They are, people aren't listening though. Rudd had an opportunity when his approval rating was sky high to make a strong moral argument for it and people would've listened but he hosed it up and now any proposal to do anything gets drowned out by the shrieking from News Ltd.
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May 2, 2016 12:10
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Wow this episode of Four Corners just got wild. What are they looking at?
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meteor9 posted:Half the problem with people 'wanting' certain policies is entirely based on them being lied to anyway. That doesn't delegitimize the parties that actually have sane, humane, evidence based policies. That just points out something is hideously loving wrong with the system. It really hasn't increased enough. It's stable at around 7%. It would take a Green meltdown to pick up that 7%. Doesn't matter what the ALP did, we could copy word for word 100% Greens policy, and the 7% would remain. It's currently around 9-10% so we would get 2-3% of their vote. Almost none of which are in marginal ALP/LNP seats.
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gay picnic defence posted:What are they looking at? It's about negative gearing and property prices. They interviewed one of the Presenters of “The Business” (the ABC nightly Business program) said she examined her mortgage document and found that the bank had overstated her income.
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May 2, 2016 12:14
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Spectacularly wrong Thank you - ah, good times.
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May 2, 2016 12:15
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, there was nothing else going on in the Labor Party at the time affecting their popularity. Abbott won in a huge way stopping the boats, ScoMo is very popular for that reason. Sorry, but asylum seeker policy is currently not being sold in marginal seats very well. gay picnic defence posted:They are, people aren't listening though. Rudd had an opportunity when his approval rating was sky high to make a strong moral argument for it and people would've listened but he hosed it up and now any proposal to do anything gets drowned out by the shrieking from News Ltd. As soon as people started dying at sea, it was always going to be an uphill battle. It's a complex issue and simple answers are easier to sell. "People dying at sea on boats?" "Stop them getting on boats." Rudd got rid of most of the pacific solution in 2008, events in 2010 stopped it from remaining.
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BCR posted:I disagree on this point. China is being a regional bully and bullying the poo poo out of its neighbours with its magical 9 dash line in the south china sea that it refuses to clarify with so it can claim as much as possible. To the extent that the local powers want the US back in to balance the Chinese threat. Jumpingmanjim posted:How many of you are going to not preference Labor just to prove a point? 
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LibertyCat posted:I think it's a stretch to call it Torture. We're not waterboarding them, nor tearing off their fingernails, nor forcing them to go without sleep. They made the choice to try to come here knowing what would happen and are free to return to their own country at any time. please teleport yourself into the sun tia
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EvilElmo posted:Abbott won in a huge way stopping the boats, ScoMo is very popular for that reason. Sorry, but asylum seeker policy is currently not being sold in marginal seats very well. The easiest one to sell is that if people want to risk their lives then it's on them. It might be even easier to set up an asylum application center in Indonesia and Malaysia but that never happened either. Instead we get the whole 'torturing people for their own good' poo poo.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:It's about negative gearing and property prices. They interviewed one of the Presenters of “The Business” (the ABC nightly Business program) said she examined her mortgage document and found that the bank had overstated her income. Is that a crime? As it dosn't seem to be, why is it not one?
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gay picnic defence posted:The easiest one to sell is that if people want to risk their lives then it's on them. It might be even easier to set up an asylum application center in Indonesia and Malaysia but that never happened either. Instead we get the whole 'torturing people for their own good' poo poo. You mean the one that was tried initially with no success? So easy the Greens can't even convince their own base of?
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May 2, 2016 12:44
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Like the banks have any oversight. Politician free?
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EvilElmo posted:Politician free? Pru Goward, but she's not the worst ever, and being a state level politician helps give some distance from the federal stuff. George Megalogenis and Laura Tingle can make up for a lot.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Pru Goward, but she's not the worst ever, and being a state level politician helps give some distance from the federal stuff. George Megalogenis and Laura Tingle can make up for a lot. Always wondered if it was true she was sleeping with Howard.
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