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Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

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criscodisco posted:

Lol how the gently caress did you know that? I think black holes are pretty cool too. I always liked the idea of time showing way down and I wonder if your brain can somehow work faster than time and you get a millenia of starting at a black hole and being alone with your thoughts. That sounds pretty awesome. :350:

afaik, your experience of time would be perfectly normal for you (you wouldn't get to "live longer" and if you had a watch on, it would tick normally). However in certain circumstances, you could be right near the event horizon and time would slow down for you so much compared to someone outside the black hole (their watch would be ticking super fast as you observe it, and your watch would be ticking super slow as they observe it), that you could "see" the future of the universe unfold before you.

Of course then you would get sucked in and your feet would stretch out far below you as you are pulled part...

Sophy Wackles fucked around with this message at 21:59 on May 1, 2016

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criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
I'll just have doctors amputate my feet before I go to space and I'll live forever.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
Also how could I see the hands on their watches spinning? Wouldn't the photons making their way to my eyeballs also be slowed way down?

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

criscodisco posted:

Also how could I see the hands on their watches spinning? Wouldn't the photons making their way to my eyeballs also be slowed way down?

Nah you would be able to see, the light is still there. It just can't escape the event horizon. I'm a scientits

Simstim
Mar 16, 2005

You just gave me a great idea buddy.

Decebal posted:

gently caress ! I want to know what's inside the event horizon sooo bad :( I'm afraid I'll die without ever finding out.

goatse

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

i'm real into getting stoned and thinking about space

Maldoror
Oct 5, 2003

by R. Guyovich
Nap Ghost
A black hole contains a universe inside. Our universe is a black hole. It's a "singularity" in that nothing can ever escape and nothing can ever see inside. That is why 0 is a circle. 0 doesn't mean nothing, it is a circle that represents the set that contains the entire universe, which is the equivalent of a singularity, or 0.

Also, .99999 = 1.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Decebal posted:

Is there anything in the Universe more fascinating and terrifying than Black Holes ?

proton decay

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Decebal posted:

Is there anything in the Universe more fascinating and terrifying than Black Holes ? NO there isn't ! Here on Earth if I die at least my atoms will be recycled into other beings, rivers , a tree, etc. But if you die in a singularity you don't even exist in this Universe anymore.

And what's with scientists not being able to explain them ?! How can something exist in the physical realm and not have an explanation ? Is it magic ? "Yeah, we can't really figure them out" isn't acceptable. Use some math or something you lazy bums! They can build the LHC, but this is still a "mystery".

Does it spin ? Can it travel through space ? Could one just show up at the door of the Solar System ?

gently caress ! I want to know what's inside the event horizon sooo bad :( I'm afraid I'll die without ever finding out.






Lol op I can answer all these questions.

You got the first one right: black holes are awesome.

Scientists have an explanation for the existence of black holes: gravitational collapse. If there is enough mass in the core of a star when it goes supernova then it will collapse into a black hole. The only place where we don't know what's going on is at the singularity.

Black holes can spin yes, actually I think most black holes are rotating. Because they come from a star which was rotating: angular momentum is conserved. Rotating black holes have oblong shaped event horizons which are stretched out on the plane of rotation. They also have this region called the ergo sphere wherein it is impossible for an object to maintain an orbit.

They can move through space same as any other object in the universe. Yes one could just show up in the solar system and I'm pretty sure it would result in everyone dying because earth gets flung out of its orbit or something.

You can pass the event horizon easily and physics still works fine. If you pass the event horizon of a supermassive black hole you may not even notice (besides all the hosed up light physics). Things break at the middle, at the singularity.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Pawn 17 posted:

afaik, your experience of time would be perfectly normal for you (you wouldn't get to "live longer" and if you had a watch on, it would tick normally). However in certain circumstances, you could be right near the event horizon and time would slow down for you so much compared to someone outside the black hole (their watch would be ticking super fast as you observe it, and your watch would be ticking super slow as they observe it), that you could "see" the future of the universe unfold before you.

Of course then you would get sucked in and your feet would stretch out far below you as you are pulled part...

the scientific term is spaghettification

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

SHISHKABOB posted:

Lol op I can answer all these questions.

You got the first one right: black holes are awesome.

Scientists have an explanation for the existence of black holes: gravitational collapse. If there is enough mass in the core of a star when it goes supernova then it will collapse into a black hole. The only place where we don't know what's going on is at the singularity.

Black holes can spin yes, actually I think most black holes are rotating. Because they come from a star which was rotating: angular momentum is conserved. Rotating black holes have oblong shaped event horizons which are stretched out on the plane of rotation. They also have this region called the ergo sphere wherein it is impossible for an object to maintain an orbit.

They can move through space same as any other object in the universe. Yes one could just show up in the solar system and I'm pretty sure it would result in everyone dying because earth gets flung out of its orbit or something.

You can pass the event horizon easily and physics still works fine. If you pass the event horizon of a supermassive black hole you may not even notice (besides all the hosed up light physics). Things break at the middle, at the singularity.

The Singularity is also that thing when we become Computer People *nods*

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Robo Reagan posted:

the scientific term is spaghettification

It's awesome and true.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
it's probably not awesome but it is true

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
i wonder if i could mnaybe get close to a bvlack hole to get spaghettified just a little then leave so id be a bit taller for my okc profile

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

ClamdestineBoyster posted:

Sorry op I'm more into brown holes now. :mario:

I hear the theory is they are all pink on the inside :heysexy:

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Robo Reagan posted:

i wonder if i could mnaybe get close to a bvlack hole to get spaghettified just a little then leave so id be a bit taller for my okc profile

Just get close enough for your feet to just start getting sucked away then turn back and you can show it off as an awesome scar.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
I would go in donger first and just hope like hell it worked.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

criscodisco posted:

I would go in donger first and just hope like hell it worked.

Not even physics can help some things.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

criscodisco posted:

I would go in donger first and just hope like hell it worked.

Pulling out would tear it off no matter what you do.

Cymoril
Jul 1, 2005

Kittens Warm the World
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Space science makes me feel like I have the iq of a giraffe.

Woden
May 6, 2006

SHISHKABOB posted:


You can pass the event horizon easily and physics still works fine. If you pass the event horizon of a supermassive black hole you may not even notice (besides all the hosed up light physics). Things break at the middle, at the singularity.

What happens if I'm looking at my watch while I pass the horizon, will it disappear and come back when I also pass through?

Pastry Mistakes
Apr 6, 2009

We should have an ebony tag.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it

SHISHKABOB posted:

Pulling out would tear it off no matter what you do.

No I just want to stretch the tip of the head out until it looks like a finger dangling off the end of my erection, so I could pee with a boner.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Woden posted:

What happens if I'm looking at my watch while I pass the horizon, will it disappear and come back when I also pass through?

Pawn 17 posted:

afaik, your experience of time would be perfectly normal for you (you wouldn't get to "live longer" and if you had a watch on, it would tick normally). However in certain circumstances, you could be right near the event horizon and time would slow down for you so much compared to someone outside the black hole (their watch would be ticking super fast as you observe it, and your watch would be ticking super slow as they observe it), that you could "see" the future of the universe unfold before you.

Of course then you would get sucked in and your feet would stretch out far below you as you are pulled part...

In your local frame of reference everything is "normal". The spaghetti thing happens because of the gravitational force increasing super rapidly as you get close. Like the ops picture, it is a "cliff".

A local inertial frame of reference is where space-time is mostly flat in your immediate proximity. When you get close to the black hole, space-time is changing so fast that your body is bigger than the characteristic size of the reference frames.

Bernice Anders
Feb 26, 2016

by zen death robot
Was really hoping this thread was going to be all about ebony porn.

Fallows
Jan 20, 2005

If he waits long enough he can use his accrued interest from his savings to bring his negative checking balance back into the black.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBPpRqxY8Uw

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Bernice Anders posted:

Was really hoping this thread was going to be all about ebony porn.

More like science porn!!!

Woden
May 6, 2006

SHISHKABOB posted:

In your local frame of reference everything is "normal". The spaghetti thing happens because of the gravitational force increasing super rapidly as you get close. Like the ops picture, it is a "cliff".

A local inertial frame of reference is where space-time is mostly flat in your immediate proximity. When you get close to the black hole, space-time is changing so fast that your body is bigger than the characteristic size of the reference frames.

So I could see my watch which is past the horizon while I'm still outside it? I thought you couldn't do that?

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Woden posted:

So I could see my watch which is past the horizon while I'm still outside it? I thought you couldn't do that?

For the person passing the event horizon nothing exciting g happens. The EH is where you can't escape anymore.

It looks cool from the perspective of a distant observer though. They will never see anything actually go past the horizon. Everything just slows way down and takes infinite time to get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI9CvipHl_c

skeletonotherkin
Sep 26, 2014

SirEvelynTremble posted:

Math doesn't work properly in an event horizon ... that's why nobody knows

Hope this doesn't help OP

Take that stem nerds.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
I read somewhere that since a black hole pulls in all light and you can't see it, the only way to determine it's there is to look at the gravitational lensing effects where it bends light like like a glass lens but doesn't actually pull it into the black hole.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Three-Phase posted:

I read somewhere that since a black hole pulls in all light and you can't see it, the only way to determine it's there is to look at the gravitational lensing effects where it bends light like like a glass lens but doesn't actually pull it into the black hole.

That is precisely how they are detected. You can also infer their existence by measuring the orbital parameters of some stuff and finding that the only thing that could explain it is a black hole.

Also all mass bends light. They use gravitational lending to measure stuff in galaxy clusters.

Happy Bear Suit
Jul 21, 2004

black holes are pretty fascinating because all the stuff we know about physics and science completely break down when we try to study black holes or something like that.

also i saw once in a movie that the only thing which can escape a black hole is the power of love

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



Three-Phase posted:

I read somewhere that since a black hole pulls in all light and you can't see it, the only way to determine it's there is to look at the gravitational lensing effects where it bends light like like a glass lens but doesn't actually pull it into the black hole.

You can also look at the motion of stuff around it. We discovered the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way by watching a bunch of stars orbiting a point that seemed to be empty. The orbits are so tight that a very heavy black hole is the only explanation.

E:

Yeah.

Izzhov
Dec 6, 2013

My head hurts.

SHISHKABOB posted:

For the person passing the event horizon nothing exciting g happens. The EH is where you can't escape anymore.

Okay but wouldn't this mean if your face was just outside the EH, and your watch was just inside the EH, you wouldn't be able to see your watch because light reflected off the watch wouldn't be able to cross the EH to get to your face since light can't escape?

Topographic Nap
Apr 22, 2007

I heard they were supposed to be purplish

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Izzhov posted:

Okay but wouldn't this mean if your face was just outside the EH, and your watch was just inside the EH, you wouldn't be able to see your watch because light reflected off the watch wouldn't be able to cross the EH to get to your face since light can't escape?

Yeah your hand would be gone.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it

Skeleton Ape posted:

We discovered the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way by watching a bunch of stars orbiting a point that seemed to be empty.

What the gently caress did they think that really big bright spot in the middle was?

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



SHISHKABOB posted:

Yeah your hand would be gone.

Don't think so, in a big enough black hole it's locally almost flat, It'd look the same as it would anywhere else, right?

Not that black holes seem to have an "inside" anyway, B-H entropy being what it is.

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SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

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Dzhay posted:

Don't think so, in a big enough black hole it's locally almost flat, It'd look the same as it would anywhere else, right?

Not that black holes seem to have an "inside" anyway, B-H entropy being what it is.

I was assuming we were talking about a solar black hole.

Isn't his argument about the event horizon correct, though?

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