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Electric Lady posted:The only reason Cena wasn't cut is because Vince and Steph liked his Vanilla Ice impression. The idea of Vince choosing a White Rapper to be his #1 guy is mind boggling in hindsight.
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Corzaa posted:The idea of Vince choosing a White Rapper to be his #1 guy is mind boggling in hindsight. No it's not that shocking. They didn't like Cena because of his Gimmick, they liked Cena because of his look. But until rapping Cena he couldn't get any reaction from the crowd. Notice how quickly they phased out the rapping gimmick the second he actually got over.
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I was going to pick that post apart but everyone beat me to it. So I'll just add: Does anyone REALLY think Cena would have maintained his level of popularity, drawing power and merchandise sales if he hadn't won almost all the time? Or Stone Cold? Or Hogan? This is basic logic: the guys at the top cannot survive without the people that feed them (more). Where is the logic in paying them so disproportionately? Does nobody remember Stan Hansen's Hall of Fame Speech? Also the fact that he cited Tyler Breeze of all people as an example of "the losers who nobody will ever give a gently caress about," is particularly hard to believe. Is this guy secretly Vince?
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Gonzo McFee posted:THE RED GUY spouting the science of Marxism-Leninism after a contract dispute a day after International Workers day. FREE ME MORE FREE ME MORE
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Hmm, it sounds like wrestlers who are successful, popular, move merchandise, and are more valuable to the company make more money than people who aren't and also win more matches?? If WWE didn't have a 15 year track record of cutting off its nose to spite its face you might have a point here, but alas
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:FREE ME MORE Midcarders unite, you have nothing to lose but your matches.
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May 3, 2016 22:05
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Shima Honnou posted:Full Rybackism now.
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Dexo posted:I can't wait to look back in the history books and see this as the moment that loving Ryback started the process of unionizing the pro-wrestling business. I need to workshop some lines to throw out at all the Communist Ryback quips. Something alluding to Ayn Rand probably for the low-hanging fruit goodness. "Who is John Galt," becoming "Who is John Cena," seems like potential comedy gold.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Midcarders unite, you have nothing to lose but your matches. CAST OFF YER SHACKLES, IT'S FREEIN TIME
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1) Ryback should have been allowed to keep the Skip Sheffield comedy character with the "Yip, yip, yip! What it do?" catchphrase. 2) If I never see another retread of the Montreal Screwjob angle ever ever ever in any form, shape, or fashion it will still be too goddamn soon. Like, a single person at ringside had something to do with that angle. Why should there even be a callback there?
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Sanguinia posted:I need to workshop some lines to throw out at all the Communist Ryback quips. Something alluding to Ayn Rand probably for the low-hanging fruit goodness. "Who is John Galt," becoming "Who is John Cena," seems like potential comedy gold. Fall of the Roman Empire posted:“By virtue of its unbounded aggression, Roman's imperialism was ultimately responsible for its own destruction.”
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:CAST OFF YER SHACKLES, IT'S FREEIN TIME I don't think Ryback thought his Glorious Worker's Revolution through. The Bread Lines may not be able to sustain "to each according to his needs," if he keeps shouting to FEED ME MORE.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:CAST OFF YER SHACKLES, IT'S FREEIN TIME "What victory?" said Ryback. His knees were bleeding, he had lost a shoe and split his hoof, and a dozen pellets had lodged themselves in his hind leg. "What victory, comrade? Have we not driven the enemy off our soil— the sacred soil of WWE?" "But they have destroyed the ratings. And we had worked on it for two years!" "What matter? We will build higher ratings. We will build six ratings if we feel like it. You do not appreciate, comrade, the mighty thing that we have done. The enemy was in occupation of this very ground that we stand upon. And now— thanks to the leadership of Big Dog Roman Reigns— we have won every inch of it back again!" "Then we have won back what we had before," said Ryback. "That is our victory," said Vince.
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https://twitter.com/WWECameron/status/727607977616646144 Prokhor Zakharov posted:CAST OFF YER SHACKLES, IT'S FREEIN TIME The chains will be off. Shima Honnou fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 3, 2016 |
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Shima Honnou posted:https://twitter.com/WWECameron/status/727607977616646144 Trevorovert knew about Cameron's release a matter of time ago.
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Shima Honnou posted:https://twitter.com/WWECameron/status/727607977616646144 drat, I didn't think "Count It," "Girlbye." Cameron had a burn of that caliber in her.
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Sanguinia posted:I was going to pick that post apart but everyone beat me to it. So I'll just add: Does anyone REALLY think Cena would have maintained his level of popularity, drawing power and merchandise sales if he hadn't won almost all the time? Or Stone Cold? Or Hogan? This is basic logic: the guys at the top cannot survive without the people that feed them (more). Where is the logic in paying them so disproportionately? Eh, Cena and Hogan maybe not. But Stone Cold would have been over regardless. He lost a lot. His biggest run wasn't even six months, and he lost the belt like all the loving time because (aside from the power trip thing) the whole angle was everyone's out to screw Stone Cold.
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some weird absolutism happening in this thread right now from marquis no. winning is not everything in WWE. you cannot make an idol out of a guy who has nothing but the win-loss record, but it helps keep guys popular and hot to be winning. people like winners, and disregard losers (unless they are (were) loveable: see Honma) there have been loads of guys who, for all extents and purposes, have 'it'. they are good enough on the mic, they can go in the ring, they have a distinct look and a gimmick that the crowd are into. let's rattle off a list of guys on the roster right now who have enough of those qualities to reasonably put at the top of the card if necessary: Dean Ambrose Alberto Del Rio Dolph Ziggler Bray Wyatt Cesaro Barrett These are a few of the guys who could go to the top if you wanted them to, but what do they have in common? They don't win. Nobody cares about the new Ambrose angle because whenever it actually matters he doesn't win. ADR is a heat vacuum. why? It isn't because he is a bad worker and bad on the mic. Just look at LU S1 to see that. It is because he is booked like a drat chump and has been since I started watching wrestling again, 3 and 1/2 years ago. Dolph is a smarmy rear end in a top hat on the mic and on twitter, but he would make a good heel. Instead he is a face who never wins poo poo, but if you give him something worth working with, even as a face (see: that Survivor Series match), he can put on a stellar show. Nobody has given a poo poo about the Wyatts for like 2 years now. Why? Because they keep losing. Instead of being a dominant force like they were in the SHIELD days, they are guys who come out and cut sinister promos but never deliver, which makes them look less dominant and more dormant. Cesaro has had the most stop-start booking I can think of, being given a run and then immediately having it snatched away from him. It makes him look like poo poo. Barrett has had more factions than I can think of, and even more entrance themes, and he has always languished in the midcard for people to not care about because he never wins anything. Winning matches matter to guys on the roster. Why does it matter? Because getting and selling merch is driven by popularity, and the guys who never get to actually look good to become popular, and they get paid less by the company because the dumb system of purse payments. These guys can't make themselves popular on their own, not because they don't have the talent, but because they are not allowed to. They get doubly screwed by the creative team, because it is depriving them of two sources of income, the purse and the merch. Of course you would be sour about that. And WWE doesn't exactly let you seek other outside sources of income while you are signed, such as movies or promotional work, because you will get on the bad side of the company and get cut even further down by booking until your biggest plot is on Superstars, and the plot is a losing streak to Viktor. When Ryback says he is deprived, he is right. This is a job where you are constantly on the road, constantly paying for fuel, constantly paying for gyms, constantly buying large meals because dietary demands. To do all that and still be screwed because someone in the back won't let you shine for once and booking you to lie down for Sheamus, thus losing income, is amazingly lovely.
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WWE contracted workers- Ryback, thank you for creating equal pay for workers and helping implement a comprehensive health care system for wrestlers. ryback- heh heh heh things are easy when your the big guy. BIG GAINS, BIG BRAINS workers- Truly your business acumen is absolutely top notch, I've never seen someone with a complete and utter understanding of contract law and benefit packages. ryback- heh heh heh Things are easy when you are smart like me. If you put your mind to it, you can learn how to do anything. MEAT HOOKS READ BOOKS workers- in celebration, lets all go to panera bread for a protein filled dinn- 
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