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achillesforever6 posted:I want him to have more impact on the business than Punk, who like a coward decided to walk out on his comrades and go off to pretend to be an MMA fighter and write comic books instead of rallying wrestlers to start a union. If Punk beats the Green ranger at UFC 200 he"ll have the leverage and star power to save the business, just wait and see.
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achillesforever6 posted:I want him to have more impact on the business than Punk, who like a coward decided to walk out on his comrades and go off to pretend to be an MMA fighter and write comic books instead of rallying wrestlers to start a union. Ryback: "I don't care if I lose." Punk: "I should be main eventing Wrestlemania!" Ryback has a better grasp of the business than CM Punk.
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Ryback Rules and he has some cogent points. I don't think he's saying a wrestler like Fandango should get a similar payday to Cena, I think he's saying that if you prove yourself a merch mover and popular with the crowd, your payday should reflect that regardless of whether you win or lose a match. Ryback was insanely over as a face before they turned him heel and fed him to Cena. His falling down the card was the fault of WWE's booking, not his own. Would I want to see a WWEWHC run for Ryback in 2016? No, but in 2013 it would have been decent and appropriate. They just didn't want to create a new star to pay more money, so they didn't.
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rovert posted:Ryback going IN on Tumblr: Well hell, put me down as fully in Ryback's corner on this one. rovert posted:Unionise It 
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MotU posted:*ryback bursts into WWE offices w/ a team of lawyers* This is beautiful.
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Reaverbot posted:Ryback sucks and is awful, but he is also correct
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Ryback will probably love working for TNA. Everybody gets paid the same: $0!
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I pretty much agree with Ryback, which is weird. What's WWE's counter argument? My guess it's something like--well, yes, many stars are essential for a show, but without the biggest stars like John Cena or Roman Reigns (assuming he's even at that point for them), nobody goes to shows anyway, so then those essential-but-not-as-well-liked stars don't get paid at all. Kind of like when The Rock came around--some guys were annoyed because he was the star and got paid more, but he also drew more so they had their highest payouts in years. It seems like the higher payout per place on the card is a by-product of the regional era where territories needed to keep top guys around somehow?
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Reaverbot posted:Ryback sucks and is awful, but he is also correct
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They wellnessed him for addys? Come on WWE, for real
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I'll never understand this weird hate boner some people have for Punk. The man left a job he hated and told his bosses to shove it , isn't that the American dream?
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They wellnessed him for Adderall? What the gently caress.
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Carver Crisis posted:Ryback Rules and he has some cogent points. I don't think he's saying a wrestler like Fandango should get a similar payday to Cena, I think he's saying that if you prove yourself a merch mover and popular with the crowd, your payday should reflect that regardless of whether you win or lose a match. Ryback was insanely over as a face before they turned him heel and fed him to Cena. His falling down the card was the fault of WWE's booking, not his own. Would I want to see a WWEWHC run for Ryback in 2016? No, but in 2013 it would have been decent and appropriate. They just didn't want to create a new star to pay more money, so they didn't. Ryback had cooled off months and months before he turned and faced Cena.
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JT Smiley posted:I'll never understand this weird hate boner some people have for Punk. The man left a job he hated and told his bosses to shove it , isn't that the American dream? Punk made millions of dollars in the span of a couple years, told Vince and Hunter to go sit and spin, quit his job on the spot, got healthy, married AJ Lee, wrote a bunch of comic books, then spent his spare time training for MMA and attending baseball and hockey games. Punk loving owns and is a goddamned hero.
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JT Smiley posted:I'll never understand this weird hate boner some people have for Punk. The man left a job he hated and told his bosses to shove it , isn't that the American dream? When you're one of the top guys in the company, it just comes off as whining. If it was someone like Cesaro, who is better and can do better, it would be admirable if he told the WWE to gently caress off. But Punk, who held every championship multiple times, main evented numerous show, headlined some of the hottest feuds, and is the longest reigning champion in, what, 15 years? It kind of comes off as being selfish. He's like the spoiled kid who has all the cool toys, but throws a fit when a kid has something he doesn't, so instead of playing, he just goes home. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 00:04 on May 4, 2016 |
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MassRafTer posted:Ryback had cooled off months and months before he turned and faced Cena.
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Davros1 posted:When you're one of the top guys in the company, it just comes off as whining. He suffered multiple concussions and had a horrific MRSA infection, grow up.
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So wait, does WWE have literally no procedure for therapeutic use exemptions? Or is Adam Rose just an idiot and didn't disclose his prescription to WWE's doctors?
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Its easy to hate on Punk given the money he made, the position in the card he had the amount of success he attained in WWE, but those two podcasts with Colt Cabana lay out his grievances pretty well and I absolutely relate to him. Then again I knew I was going to love the poo poo out of him ever since he smashed a guitar over Chavo Guerrero's head while disguised as a member of a mariachi band. CM Punk loving owns.
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Seems like we're forgetting that Punk's last-match-on-the-mania-card request came during the time of four "main events, " almost entirely wrestled by the stars of 10+ years ago (and Cena) at the expense of the up and comers like he still could have been considered, guys that could use the rub. A move that would help the company keep people watching. Yeah Punk was in it for himself first and foremost but his issue was a side effect of other issues. Jericho is lucky to say he got to main Mania, know mean? Now we can finallysay the spot is open with Bryan and Reigns, but Punk had to sit through the Cena/Rock shows among other things.
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rovert posted:Ryback going IN on Tumblr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnEAH5wCzo
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Carver Crisis posted:You're right. But he was cooled off by a series of screwjob finishes. My point about the booking ruining his value still stands. If one of the most over guys on the roster loses a title match by getting screwed, you ideally have him get the title later in a payoff for a longterm storyline. But not in WWE, they just sink down the card until everyone forgets about them, Daniel Bryan being a clear exception. Ryback was given a sustained monster push, was he over because of the push or because he was a talented popular guy? He's had some sparks since then but he's not someone who moved the needle again and made you go "They are missing out on him." He's probably not even in the top 10 of guys WWE has missed the boat on in the last 5 years.
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Ryback is angling for a new minimum wage for downside contracts that still allows for title reign bonuses and merch payouts. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, though it is sad that it took someone being close to leaving to say that out loud. Just look at major sports in the US: everyone comes out to see the top stars play, but minimum contracts are still hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Ideally salaries in WWE would work similarly to most sports leagues, only with the upside of mercy sales and PPV/main event bonuses. So there would be a minimum downside salary that was based on the amount of years you've been with the company. Most sports leagues have a union tho
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Sigma posted:Ryback is angling for a new minimum wage for downside contracts that still allows for title reign bonuses and merch payouts. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, though it is sad that it took someone being close to leaving to say that out loud. The top contracts are also much much higher, the highest paid MLB player makes 60x what league minimum is. This doesn't include players who are on split contracts or are just toiling around in the minors. Baseball's revenues also make WWE's revenues look like nothing. WWE definitely needs more of its revenues to be shared and higher downsides but Ryback's ideas are a bit iffy.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:lol at anyone dissing cm punk while saying ryback is right At least Ryback had the balls to put his neck on the line. Punk just wussed out and went home without asking or settling up.
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remember another one of the big points of contention why punk left was there was no money from the network after everyone got a cut of the PPVs before hand and guess what, they've still done nothing to fix that except for the cena/Orton/undertaker echelon
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Sigma posted:At least Ryback had the balls to put his neck on the line. Punk just wussed out and went home without asking or settling up. Except that's not true at all.
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Sigma posted:At least Ryback had the balls to put his neck on the line. Punk just wussed out and went home without asking or settling up. You don't owe your boss anything he was 100% right and you're a baby
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MotU posted:Big Guy fighting for the Little Guy?!?!?
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Davros1 posted:When you're one of the top guys in the company, it just comes off as whining. A person's prominence at a company doesn't mitigate lovely working conditions and it certainly doesn't mean that they are or should be forced to work there forever.
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I hope Ryback goes into comics and starts writing the Secret Avengers. That or a sequel to the Doom comic. He'd be perfect for the dialogue.
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CM Punk was/is better than all current WWE Singles Champions combined, and created the hottest angle we'd seen in pro wrestling for years and years and years.
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Christ... knowing WWE he told them he was on Adderall, but they didn't realize its the same as meth. So when they tested....
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uh adderall is the same as meth? in tests? i didn't know that
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