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Mange Mite posted:Mars is as worthless as video games dude until there's an extinction-level event
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Mange Mite posted:Mars is as worthless as video games dude You're really good at this.
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May 8, 2016 18:24
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Mange Mite posted:Lol if you think im doing work for gbs. Not unless you pay me what i make (a lot) I'm not surprised somebody desperately trying to ignore the reality around him also doesn't understand burden of proof
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May 8, 2016 18:25
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Data was superior to everyone else on the Enterprise but still took orders from Riker and Picard, so I don't think machines will take over everything anytime soon.
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May 8, 2016 18:26
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enraged_camel posted:until there's an extinction-level event Actually the second coming of christ is a good thing
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May 8, 2016 18:26
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runupon cracker posted:I'm not surprised somebody desperately trying to ignore the reality around him also doesn't understand burden of proof Proving a thing that hasn't been done is possible seems like your job
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May 8, 2016 18:27
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Mange Mite posted:Actually the second coming of christ is a good thing i already came twice today, i agree
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Mange Mite posted:Proving a thing that hasn't been done is possible seems like your job except it has been done, you just claim the larger scale is impossible for reasons
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May 8, 2016 18:29
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runupon cracker posted:except it has been done, you just claim the larger scale is impossible Yeah ok nerd take it to d&d (where you will be immediately banned)
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May 8, 2016 18:32
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i love showing this video to people, op its fun and well made so the entertainment value is high plus it really rattles some people my girlfriend's sister was like a shook up for a month after i showed it to her i don't know what will happen in the future, but my guess is massive totalitarian oppression
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May 8, 2016 18:32
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Mange Mite posted:Proving a thing that hasn't been done is possible ha what? the nerve.
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runupon cracker posted:except it has been done, you just claim the larger scale is impossible This is Mange Mite's job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFQZFL0yoo
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May 8, 2016 18:34
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I would also like to know why something done in the bay area wouldn't scale out to an entire nation. Lol if the answer is money because corporations will spend billions to hold the AI secret sauce.
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May 8, 2016 18:46
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Mange Mite posted:Proving a thing that hasn't been done is possible seems like your job But enough about... my sex life? gently caress.
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May 8, 2016 18:46
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runupon cracker posted:except it has been done, you just claim the larger scale is impossible yeah, no one is sayng that the auto-cars are going to replace everyone tomorrow. its a matter of incrementalism. Googles approach might not be 100% ready for full automation, but that doesn't means that 85% ready isn't going to cost some jobs (and deskill a lot more jobs). automation isn't just a problem with replacing people. it allows previously skilled jobs to be done by unskilled (and easily replaced) workers, which drives down wages.
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May 8, 2016 19:12
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lol @ the dummies who think that any society governed by a robotic AI isn't going to collapse on itself within one person's lifetime gently caress, it's been done before, the USSR was governed by an increasingly senile and battery-powered comrade Brezhnev with all the juicy communism bits that nerds love to fellate themselves over, and we all know how that ended up, in extreme poverty for everyone and social unrest that ultimately drove the country to ruins. The way the country was operated fostered mind-blowing irresponsibility and laziness. We don't need robots to accomplish this, a caste of senile robot-men are enough. USSR went from a global superpower to a laughingstock in less than 30 years.
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May 8, 2016 19:14
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:lol @ the dummies who think that any society governed by a robotic AI isn't going to collapse on itself within one person's lifetime actually it was jfk who was the robot, and he was pretty rad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7y2xPucnAo
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May 8, 2016 19:17
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It will be neat when the developed world implements some form of basic income while America burns to the ground because of protestant work ethic
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May 8, 2016 19:19
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enraged_camel posted:i automate people's jobs away for a living same
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May 8, 2016 19:24
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the 1% owning the robots will have noone to sell their products and services to, when the 99% is unemployed and broke.
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May 8, 2016 19:27
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:the 1% owning the robots will have noone to sell their products and services to, when the 99% is unemployed and broke. my guess is that munitions will still be very valuable, if not more so plus, the best thing about them is you can only use them once before you gotta buy more
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May 8, 2016 19:29
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Ronwayne posted:how is rent gonna be paid and food bought and the corporate entities involved compensated for their time and effort? Out of work proles don't have money to spend unless you have a universal dole as was mentioned. Robots don't vote, people vote. If a large mass of people need food/shelter/ healthcare etc they will vote in candidates that give it to them in one form or another. A large enough mass of people will out vote the huge cash corporate lobbying machine and those corporations will get taxed to provide for the survival needs of all those unemployed people The issue then would be whether those corporations earned enough money in this automated labor/ low human employment economy to be profitable enough to pay taxes to support all those angry jobless voters
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May 8, 2016 19:45
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Is there an AI sophisticated enough to post in GBS?
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May 8, 2016 19:52
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I remember when there were lots of $15-$20 an hour customer service phone bank type jobs in the Midwest, before those were all sent to India for pennies on the dollar What's going to happen if human labor in less developed nations whose economy is dependent on it is replaced and those people all starve en mass? That's going to be a much worse situation worldwide than food stamps in Ohio
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May 8, 2016 20:12
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Extreme automation won't really work unless it's accompanied by a gradual shift towards socialism When robots are the only ones working, there won't be anyone left to pay for your products so you might as well give at least some of it away for free. A society with free basic food and education shouldn't be that hard to make work. Robots make good teachers, and there will be a ton of bored unemployed people. Give people a VR helmet as part of the basic package and maybe they'll even start plugging themselves into the matrix voluntarily!
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May 8, 2016 20:25
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naem posted:I remember when there were lots of $15-$20 an hour customer service phone bank type jobs in the Midwest, before those were all sent to India for pennies on the dollar i dont think third world labor is going to be automated away very soon, its not expensive enough to bother replacing. technology is going to be used to convert as much first world labour into third world labour as possible though! we dont need to invent maid robots if we can pay people in india to be our domestic servant via remote drone
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May 8, 2016 20:26
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Manna: Two Visions of Humanity's Future eBook A short story on automation to post need civilization an what happens if US style private property right prove unshakable: http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
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Rutibex posted:i dont think third world labor is going to be automated away very soon, its not expensive enough to bother replacing. technology is going to be used to convert as much first world labour into third world labour as possible though! http://www.reuters.com/article/us-adidas-robots-idUSKCN0SE1RL20151020 Psh says you! 
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Sethex posted:Manna: Two Visions of Humanity's Future eBook is this the one with the headset in the ear that gives step by step instruction on how to do your job? i thought that was cool in an interesting sort of way then i heard they basically have that at amazon distribution centers and i got sad
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May 8, 2016 20:35
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E Equals MC Hammer posted:Computers can be trained to mimic human speech, woop de fuckin do. Get back to me when they can coordinate the entire US military in real time. Man you ever see the AI that can micro Starcraft units? We are already there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLplRDSgpo
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May 8, 2016 20:39
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RaySmuckles posted:is this the one with the headset in the ear that gives step by step instruction on how to do your job? Isnt that a ripoff of a 50 year old heinlein short
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error1 posted:Extreme automation won't really work unless it's accompanied by a gradual shift towards socialism Alternatively you just use reduced demand for labor to drop labor prices and now it's cheaper just to pay a peasant to do the job instead of making a robot do it. Now you not only have a ton of wealth but you get to directly boss a bunch of people around too so you feel even higher in social status. Regular people live in constant fear of joblessness and prison
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Mange Mite posted:Isnt that a ripoff of a 50 year old heinlein short the online retail industry is a harsh mistress
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Mange Mite posted:Isnt that a ripoff of a 50 year old heinlein short Asimov wrote a bunch of shorts in the same vein, but not as grim-dark (cuz asimov is cool and good)
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Rutibex posted:i dont think third world labor is going to be automated away very soon, its not expensive enough to bother replacing. technology is going to be used to convert as much first world labour into third world labour as possible though! You're not thinking far enough. The endgame is we can pay americans to be our servants because they have no other options short of prison. All chance kf political change or unrest is limited via total media control, sophisticated surveillance, and freely available soft drugs. Youre goimg to convert first world labor to thirld world labor by the first world becoming more like the third world
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Germstore posted:I would also like to know why something done in the bay area wouldn't scale out to an entire nation. Lol if the answer is money because corporations will spend billions to hold the AI secret sauce. Not that it is a perfectly symmetrical example, but how long did it take the smart phone to spread?
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Mange Mite posted:You're not thinking far enough. The endgame is we can pay americans to be our servants because they have no other options short of prison. All chance kf political change or unrest is limited via total media control, sophisticated surveillance, and freely available soft drugs. plus, when all else fails, just rig the vote
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Computers are not as smart as you think they are. A retarded kid's brain is much more powerful than any computer. The only reason computers seem smart is because their architecture is uniquely designed to do arithmetic quickly. Deep Blue did not out-think Kasparov. Deep Blue ran the numbers on every single possibility of every single move -- because chess is discrete math and computers are uniquely suited to that. A more fair comparison is neural networks vs. the human brain, and neural networks are nowhere close. Theoretically, you could build a neural network that is complex enough to mimic the human brain, and learn and adapt and make critical decisions based on inputs the same way the human brain does. Realistically, computers that are powerful enough to do this are nowhere on the horizon, and the best we can do right now is a "brain" whose ONLY purpose is to play Mario poorly or predict the next word in a sentence. Even this is deceptively impressive -- these AIs don't have to "learn" what words are, or who Mario is -- all that interpretation is built in, removing a huge part of the complexity. Source: I work in biometrics. Right now computers aren't even smart enough that we can reliably teach them to tell apart cat vs. dog and you're telling me they're going to replace people. AugmentedVision fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 8, 2016 |
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Fairly passive posted:Is there an AI sophisticated enough to post in GBS? there was a markov chain bot a few days ago that people took the bait on, so yes. RaySmuckles posted:i love showing this video to people, op good video, makes you think tbh. Would have to invent new jobs, but then again robots probably will invent those kinds of jobs and take it over regardless. It'll probably be some kind of unprecedented age of decadence, and we'd be looking at a vastly different economy where the abstract concept of money goes beyond something unfathomable. Barter System, Currency, something new now.
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RaySmuckles posted:plus, when all else fails, just rig the vote Automated voting machines. Rumor has it they already exist... i remember hearing thst some whistleblower type who used to be an engineer on the new electronic voting machines died in a mysterious plane crash a few years ago.
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