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Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
The article mentions that they were going out of their way to pick a civ that couldn't be associated with warfare, since they didn't want to have another "savage native" civ like the Zulu. Also they wanted something from the Western United States.

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Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

Clarste posted:

The article mentions that they were going out of their way to pick a civ that couldn't be associated with warfare, since they didn't want to have another "savage native" civ like the Zulu. Also they wanted something from the Western United States.

Yeah I know why they picked it, my point originally was that the Civilizations represented don't all have to be well known pop history empires. I think a number of fans like the Shoshone, and probably because they're a different and unusual civ.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
a game as mainstream as civ is also a great way for less well known cultures to get into the popular consciousness

Hand Row
May 28, 2001
The point of pet civs is not cultural awareness. It is for enslaving and loving their poo poo up. Hell yeah if I am China I am going after Tibet.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I'm being extremely triggered by those fonts :stare:

Yeah, I just imgur'd something that was already made. It wouldn't be my first choice but I'm lazy (what's with the deep blue on black for the Khmer?).

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Poil posted:

Don't forget to make trade deals suggest money instead of junk like horses and open borders by default. Everyone wants money. If I wanted someone else I would ask for that specifically. Having it default to crap just wastes everybody's time.

Yeah this goes into what I said earlier about obnoxious diplo spam. I just love seeing Alex trot up every other turn to offer me three horses in exchange for all of my uranium and my last source of gems.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Koramei posted:

it's not like any of the other leader blurbs aren't just fellatio of the highest order either. it's always supposed to be about how the civ you're about to play was the coolest poo poo ever
haha go read the American civlopedia entries for 5

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Koramei posted:

a game as mainstream as civ is also a great way for less well known cultures to get into the popular consciousness

I remember a lot of people complaining that Poland has never been important when BNW came out.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Clarste posted:

The article mentions that they were going out of their way to pick a civ that couldn't be associated with warfare, since they didn't want to have another "savage native" civ like the Zulu. Also they wanted something from the Western United States.

Circumstances as they were in the US, the only ones that really lasted and were remembered more broadly were the ones that tended to put up a fight and lived when forced to do things by the US Government. Those that didn't at least live long enough to make a name for themselves or just folded weren't as nationally remembered.

I'd think the Seminoles would be a familiar name to anyone who follows the SEC or lives in Florida.

IMO, it's fine to me if more relatively obscure peoples got more representation in the game though. Else, the majority of choices would be from Europe, followed by the Middle East, followed by East Asia with a smattering of groups from Africa, then the Inca, Mayans and Aztecs of South and Central America with the US and some Native American tribes pulling up the rear with little to no representation from Pacific peoples and just a generally disproportionate representation elsewhere. It does have the trade-off of making it harder to have multiple leaders for one Civ with differing AIs, but then that could be amended with Civs like America or China who'd have multiple leaders have unique Civ abilities that are more generalist to fit all of their leaders' needs while Civs with only one leader get to be more focused or have more niche abilities to push them into those sorts of strategies. (Or just tie everything into Leaders).

I have no niche civ suggestions because my heritage is already in a preexisting Civ or is historically the equivalent of a Civ V City State with a similar level of global impact.

Edit: All I have are alt. Leaders like Qin Shi Huang or Kublai Khan

Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 16, 2016

Grinning Goblin
Oct 11, 2004

Hand Row posted:

The point of pet civs is not cultural awareness. It is for enslaving and loving their poo poo up. Hell yeah if I am China I am going after Tibet.

They should just make Taiwan a civ and have it be a better China in every way.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead

shadow puppet of a posted:

Have the Swiss been a civ? They should be. And Australia. Just have wireframe meshes to denote the absence of internationally-renown leadership. Lots of good unit types and building perks to make out of those two.

And grow a pair of balls Firaxis and add Tibet as well. You can't possibly be selling that many retail boxes into China to not make taking the hit worthwhile.
The Socialist party in China will never allow any more of their games in the country. I would imagine there would also be a "voluntary" recall of all their past games. Maybe improve their entitlement perks system of removing state-disapproved video games.

Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 20:38 on May 16, 2016

berryjon
May 30, 2011

I have an invasion to go to.

shadow puppet of a posted:

And grow a pair of balls Firaxis and add Tibet as well. You can't possibly be selling that many retail boxes into China to not make taking the hit worthwhile.

Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, is a Religious City State in 5, so it's been backdoored in.

Peas and Rice
Jul 14, 2004

Honor and profit.

Scalding Coffee posted:

The Socialist party in China

I don't want to get pedantic, but you're referring to the Communist Party of China. There's no such thing as a Socialist party in China - just in Taiwan.

Lord Hypnostache
Nov 6, 2009

OATHBREAKER

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I'm being extremely triggered by those fonts :stare:

They are the actual fonts (and Civ colours) used in those games. Doesn't make it any easier to read, but that's the reason.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Neville Chamberlain should be the new leader of England.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
The base game will mostly have all the classic civs already discussed, but it would be cool if they used one DLC pack to put in a few more obscure Civs. Maybe Hawaii, or Lapland, or the Kurds.

Also, bring back partisans.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Partisans and piecemeal palace building.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Partisans turn into saboteurs and act like siege units.


Peas and Rice posted:

I don't want to get pedantic, but you're referring to the Communist Party of China. There's no such thing as a Socialist party in China - just in Taiwan.
That is what they call themselves. Not like the CPC actually are.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

John Dough posted:

The base game will mostly have all the classic civs already discussed, but it would be cool if they used one DLC pack to put in a few more obscure Civs. Maybe Hawaii, or Lapland, or the Kurds.

Also, bring back partisans.

A Micronation DLC Pack would be pretty amusing. Get the Marshall Islands in there, Liechtenstein, Rwanda, etc. Maybe upgrade a few of the city-states to full-on civ status.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


TooMuchAbstraction posted:

A Micronation DLC Pack would be pretty amusing. Get the Marshall Islands in there, Liechtenstein, Rwanda, etc. Maybe upgrade a few of the city-states to full-on civ status.
Davids vs. Goliaths map pack.

San Marino vs Italy.
Anndora vs Spain
Monaco vs France
Liechtenstein vs. Switzerland
Breakaway Separatist Kaliningrad Oblast vs Poland who is vs Russia in a 3-way dance.
Bhutan vs China vs Brunei vs the recent man madel Chinese island forts in the south china sea.
The Stateless Sovereign Military Order of Malta vs the rest of the World in a scenario that is all about trade grinding where you start with just 1 Cotton and 1 Iron and 300 gold.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
Oh, and don't forget about Sealand!

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

shadow puppet of a posted:

Even in the Civ world it should be possible to elect a bad leader once in a few hundred turns under the Freedom ideology. You know, that thing that seems to constantly happen to civilizations throughout the course of history.

Agreed. And that should be reflected through a civics system like in Civ4 or smac

President Ark
May 16, 2010

:iiam:
"electing a bad leader" is what happens when you get a headache while playing and start playing poorly or save partway through your turn and reload later having forgotten what you were planning or if you sneeze and accidentally end your turn before you're done

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Civ is a series about immortal god-kings who sometimes pay lip service to democracy by rigging elections and becoming immortal god-presidents. I don't think that should change.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

is Canada a civ yet

I know we're the most boring country ever but I want to play as us and be the boring, boring man I was destined to be

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Canada and Australia are already in the game, as England. Although an independence mechanic could be interesting.

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

Ratios and Tendency posted:

Canada and Australia are already in the game, as England. Although an independence mechanic could be interesting.

Does that mean we should remove America, too, since England's already in?

(Just to clarify, I don't think we need a Canadian civilization either but this is a really bad argument against it.)

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Also why I don't think adding Tibet would really matter either way.

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013

Prism posted:

Does that mean we should remove America, too, since England's already in?

(Just to clarify, I don't think we need a Canadian civilization either but this is a really bad argument against it.)

E: DUMB POST

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Prism posted:

Does that mean we should remove America, too, since England's already in?

(Just to clarify, I don't think we need a Canadian civilization either but this is a really bad argument against it.)

America has been a global power for a good chunk of time after declaring independence.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Prism posted:

Does that mean we should remove America, too, since England's already in?

(Just to clarify, I don't think we need a Canadian civilization either but this is a really bad argument against it.)

The US isn't part of the British Commonwealth.

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

Fister Roboto posted:

The US isn't part of the British Commonwealth.

India is, though the Queen is not their monarch anymore.

The Commonwealth of Nations (it hasn't been the British Commonwealth since 1947) contains members who were never part of the British Empire and the Queen isn't the monarch of the majority of the countries in it. She is the titular and ceremonial monarch of Canada but Canada is independent of the British parliament.

I don't actually think Civilization should remove the American civilization or that Canada needs a civ, but claiming that Canada is part of England is ludicrous.

edit: vvvv no demand for it here, just don't call us British.

Prism fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 17, 2016

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

I'm really taken aback by the high demand for a Canada Civ.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
Any word on city-states? I assume they won't be making a comeback, but perhaps some version of them such as minor civs? That would be cool. As would an independence mechanic, though I'm unsure how that would work.

As far as a Canadian civ, I think they could have filled a useful modern diplomacy-focused civ in CiV. I mentioned the Colonialist Legacy mod previously, but 'Declarations of friendship provide +1 delegate for both Canada and the other party' in Civ V is a kind of neat mechanic that creates its own meta game.

That being said, the Inuit civ would have even been cooler- tundra is hardly exploited by any civs, and snow is exploited by none.

The Real Quaid
Jun 29, 2012

Peas and Rice posted:

I don't want to get pedantic, but you're referring to the Communist Party of China. There's no such thing as a Socialist party in China - just in Taiwan.

Cool, I didnt know China was officially multi-party. And I also see from that link that the second most important party, the Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang (a Pro-PRC breakaway group from the KMT party that split towards the end of the civil war), have made a bold choice for the URL name of their website: https://www.minge.gov.cn

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Prism posted:

India is, though the Queen is not their monarch anymore.

The Commonwealth of Nations (it hasn't been the British Commonwealth since 1947) contains members who were never part of the British Empire and the Queen isn't the monarch of the majority of the countries in it. She is the titular and ceremonial monarch of Canada but Canada is independent of the British parliament.

I don't actually think Civilization should remove the American civilization or that Canada needs a civ, but claiming that Canada is part of England is ludicrous.

edit: vvvv no demand for it here, just don't call us British.

In the context of a game of Civ, Australia and Canada are settlers sent out to newly discovered land masses by England and France players.

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

I mean, it isn't. In the game city states are really more of an analogue to Canada and Australia.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


MMM Whatchya Say posted:

I mean, it isn't. In the game city states are really more of an analogue to Canada and Australia.

Once they became independent sure.

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

I mean really, the entire premise and playstyle of the game isn't really historical so trying to make those types of comparisons is ill fated.

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Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

Ratios and Tendency posted:

In the context of a game of Civ, Australia and Canada are settlers sent out to newly discovered land masses by England and France players.

The Norse got there first but their colony got eaten when they popped a goodie hut too early.

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