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Small Strange Bird posted:Ryan goes OTT with her take on the Doctor, but it's a comedy episode and she's having a great time (both as Doc/Seven and regular Seven every time she goes back to normal and is outraged/appalled at whatever he's been doing - you know the gif) so she absolutely gets away with it. Hey, it's been a long day
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Non Compos Mentis posted:the federations most cancelled comedian has an offensive character of every federation race
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His name is Joe Piscopo.
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Data asked the computer for a hilarious comedian and for Joe piscapo. Glad to see that even hundreds of years from now, AI is still worthless for answering basic questions
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Gutcruncher posted:Data asked the computer for a hilarious comedian and for Joe piscapo. Glad to see that even hundreds of years from now, AI is still worthless for answering basic questions What if the computer understands humor innately and that's why it gave Data Joe Piscopo? The computer gave Data the ol' Wimp Lo.
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watched the first episode of enterprise the other day and, man, humans are giving vulcans poo poo about their feelings like 100% of the time. every human gotta be like "oh drat looks like you're having an emotion right now" with a poo poo eating grin
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Lazy_Liberal posted:watched the first episode of enterprise the other day and, man, humans are giving vulcans poo poo about their feelings like 100% of the time. every human gotta be like "oh drat looks like you're having an emotion right now" with a poo poo eating grin Humans in enterprise are just American tourists
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Gutcruncher posted:Humans in enterprise are just American tourists they make a whole aside in the first episode about NOT loving THE ALIENS and the human men are clearly going to
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Gutcruncher posted:Data asked the computer for a hilarious comedian and for Joe piscapo. Glad to see that even hundreds of years from now, AI is still worthless for answering basic questions For 300 years AI development has been focused mostly on table and table related requests. It's not very good for anything else, but if you ask it for a table, it's going to analyze the context of the situation and the preferences of the person making the request and it's going to give you the precise torture rack you were envisioning, second try.
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It should have spit out Andrew Dice Clay for Data to learn from.
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TheKingslayer posted:It should have spit out Andrew Dice Clay for Data to learn from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLpAGVwMRok
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Mulaney Power Move posted:We're just assuming the Bajoran concept of a spoon is the same as humans. It could mean something totally different. It could be derogatory in a strange alien way we can't even comprehend. "Fuckin' spoonhead" "That's not so ba-" "Like- like a hasperat spoon!" "Holy Prophets, dude, you kiss your Vedic with that pah?"
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Lazy_Liberal posted:watched the first episode of enterprise the other day and, man, humans are giving vulcans poo poo about their feelings like 100% of the time. every human gotta be like "oh drat looks like you're having an emotion right now" with a poo poo eating grin
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zefram cochrane blasting the first vulcan he sees with a shotgun in the dark mirror universe episode is a good bit
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Brawnfire posted:"Fuckin' spoonhead" Bajorans don't have poop knives, they have poop spoons. THAT'S how much they hate the bloody Cardies!
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Space Jam posted:zefram cochrane blasting the first vulcan he sees with a shotgun in the dark mirror universe episode is a good bit And pretty much what would happen if we continued this timeline. 
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Brawnfire posted:"Fuckin' spoonhead" "Non emotional boo" - The Vulcan in the crowd
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Small Strange Bird posted:Ryan goes OTT with her take on the Doctor, but it's a comedy episode and she's having a great time (both as Doc/Seven and regular Seven every time she goes back to normal and is outraged/appalled at whatever he's been doing - you know the gif) so she absolutely gets away with it. Camp is good when it's good.
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For as much of a blatant ratings play as it is, Voyager does some cool stuff expanding the Borg. Maybe it takes some of the mystique away but I feel like they were gonna do that with time regardless.
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TheKingslayer posted:For as much of a blatant ratings play as it is, Voyager does some cool stuff expanding the Borg. Maybe it takes some of the mystique away but I feel like they were gonna do that with time regardless.
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Negative, the Borg as a concept jumped the shark in First Contact. A Queen destroys the every essence of the Borg, everything else is just Weekend at Bernie's-ing the corpse of the concept.
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Small Strange Bird posted:Ryan goes OTT with her take on the Doctor, but it's a comedy episode and she's having a great time (both as Doc/Seven and regular Seven every time she goes back to normal and is outraged/appalled at whatever he's been doing - you know the gif) so she absolutely gets away with it. I think it's a little ways after that one, but there's also an episode that's functionally a round of Space Station 13 or Among Us, with the Doctor frantically trying not to get caught out Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
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mycomancy posted:Negative, the Borg as a concept jumped the shark in First Contact. A Queen destroys the every essence of the Borg, everything else is just Weekend at Bernie's-ing the corpse of the concept. lol the Borg were "ruined" as a concept on TNG, with Hue. Basically, pretty much the moment they introduced the Borg, the writers worked to come down from that initial representation. Personalize them. Humanize them. Make them better for TV basically.
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redshirt posted:lol the Borg were "ruined" as a concept on TNG, with Hue. Certainly colored them differently
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redshirt posted:lol the Borg were "ruined" as a concept on TNG, with Hue. Not changing them would have been weird too. In the beginning they were like a natural disaster -- you can't reason with it, you can't negotiate with it, all you can do is evacuate or wait for it to pass. Which would either be boring or too dark for TNG if the borg kept coming back like that every couple years. One of the thing Voyager did with them that I liked was that the Borg didn't try to assimilate everyone within reach. They wanted tech and biology, but at some point they would have enough samples from a given civilization and go away for a while. They'd swing by once in a generation to take another harvest. You could try to make your people boring to them by not developing any new tech at all. If you go back to a subsistence farming society they won't come so often.
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In fairness it is pretty hard to stick to the original concept of "massive invincible brick wall that cannot be reasoned with or beaten" We had a fantastic episode about finding all this out and running the gently caress away in the opposite direction, but if you want to keep the concept pure, what other stories can you really tell? You either run away or it wins... suggestions welcome
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The Borg were never ruined and were never particularly more interesting than any other Star Trek race, they were just different every time
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Facebook Aunt posted:Not changing them would have been weird too. In the beginning they were like a natural disaster -- you can't reason with it, you can't negotiate with it, all you can do is evacuate or wait for it to pass. Which would either be boring or too dark for TNG if the borg kept coming back like that every couple years. Agreed. I did like how Voyager handled them for the most part. I was just pointing out this concept of "The Borg" we all seemingly share only lasted for a couple of episodes, tops. Everything after was some elaboration of the idea. Like you said, it's more interesting (I suppose) from a character development side, but it does do away with that original concept pretty quickly.
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IMO, being an invincible terror is not the core of the Borg. The core of the Borg is that they are the dark mirror of Starfleet. They are diverse species joined in unified purpose whose greatest strength is the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. They can't be defeated with diplomacy. A Borg Cube is a weaponized deflector dish writ large. You can beat them. Starfleet got beat lots of times. But they always come back for another go and this time they're ready for whatever clever plan you had last time. The Queen is the problem. She kills everything narratively interesting about the Borg, turning them into the replaceable henchmen of a not particularly clever supervillain, chanting 'Resistance is Futile' because its their official catchphrase. They've long forgotten the other parts of that speech.
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Brawnfire posted:Certainly colored them differently Course, by the end of Voyager they'd been oversaturated and lost their value
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I hated the queen. The whole idea stinks and the character seemed cheap, unnecessarily dramatic and cruel for a species that is all about efficiency. When Janeway offered , whatever the hell it was maybe a cure to the virus or whatever, for safe passage that made sense in the context of borg as a way to interact with them.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Not changing them would have been weird too. In the beginning they were like a natural disaster -- you can't reason with it, you can't negotiate with it, all you can do is evacuate or wait for it to pass. Which would either be boring or too dark for TNG if the borg kept coming back like that every couple years. Even early on they were only taking out isolated colonies and there's that cool shot of them ripping out a representative slice of the Enterprise. Either way, it's more interesting than them being mindless zombies that break the door down and bite you and now you're a zombie. There's also the intense stupidity in First Contact where apparently Borg have zero situational awareness and as long as unassimilated folks aren't actively shooting at them they don't care about them at all. Which I guess is yet another zombie-like attribute that doesn't make any sense.
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John Murdoch posted:There's also the intense stupidity in First Contact where apparently Borg have zero situational awareness and as long as unassimilated folks aren't actively shooting at them they don't care about them at all. Which I guess is yet another zombie-like attribute that doesn't make any sense. The Borg just ignoring people until they decide it's time to care, has been a thing since Best of Both Worlds. It's a bit sillier in First Contact but it's pretty much always been a thing.
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dr_rat posted:The Borg just ignoring people until they decide it's time to care, has been a thing since Best of Both Worlds. It's a bit sillier in First Contact but it's pretty much always been a thing. Indeed. That's one of the cool things I like about Borg. They don't care unless you are impeding their specific task.
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You'd have thought they'd have assimilated some fricking tactical situational awareness when invaders start popping up on the cube but I guess you could handwave it away as word never got back to the collective from cubes that got destroyed; the connection between 'harmless' sophonts strolling around the place and the resultant cascade failures never got propagated back through the collective consciousness. Did they ever explain that some cubes were able to filter out Hugh's 'poisonous' thoughts and that's why we still have traditional Borg running around? Or can we assume (ugh) the Queen did that?
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The Borg weigh the effort of dealing with you against the amount of trouble you're causing and try to respond with just as much force as needed.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:I hated the queen. The whole idea stinks and the character seemed cheap, unnecessarily dramatic and cruel for a species that is all about efficiency. Scorpion was a great Borg episode and really did a good job keeping what was interesting and scary about them. Every voyager appearance after that though? 
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I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember really liking Voyager's take on the Borg in the episode "Unity". And I think it was the first Voyager Borg episode.
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Dabir posted:Course, by the end of Voyager they'd been oversaturated and lost their value drat it, I was totally about to do this exact joke. 
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