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I only watched Raw to see if Seth would shake things up but unfortunately there is an even greater heel in the company now "THAT GUY? Roman Reignsss" I'm just finding it boring now, the only reason I keep my Network up is to watch NXT not interested in the main roster stuff at all. Its a shame when you see people like Crews get stomped out, it makes me worry for when Nakamura finally gets called up
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Glad AJ told Gallows and Anderson he doesn't need them and then proceeded to lose completely clean, mmmm good poo poo.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Glad AJ told Gallows and Anderson he doesn't need them and then proceeded to lose completely clean, mmmm good poo poo. To be honest at least KO told Cole to shut the gently caress up because he could hear him talking bullshit the whole time, I think the announcers are actually scared of Owens haha
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May 24, 2016 15:17
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I like Kevin Owens but what I like more is that someone is protecting him like crazy.
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I was just thinking about this, why does WWE always go for a small child audience. I feel like appealing to 13 year olds would be way better, because when I think of when my tastes in media really started to formulate and stick with me was my teenage years. When your a kid you kind of just move on from interest to interest as a teen you become obsessive, and will probably be a long term fan.
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May 24, 2016 15:23
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The_Rob posted:I mean the thing is WWE has always tried to over push dudes no one gave a poo poo about. Diesel, Lex Luger. Vince is just a guy with a very narrow vision who just happens to luck into top guys. Vince has a weird vision of what a "star" should be. One has to remember that the WWE isn't wrestling it is "Sports Entertainment" to him. "Wrestling is what my father did." So the actual ability of the performers has never been a priority for him. He has a almost obsessive fascination with the bodybuilder look and lifestyle. Remember this is the guy who founded the WBF and pushed ICOPRO on programing designed for children. Vince is a great mind on many things, but my god his booking choices on who and what is going to be a hit has historically been awful. Booking in general has taken a nosedive since it ceased to be Vince, Pat Patterson and sometimes Jim Ross hashing things out over a weekend. They have a huge staff of writers that I don't think knows or understand the business well while dealing with the wishes and whims of a increasingly out of touch old man. Unlike with Pat and JR, I doubt Vince respects or listens to any of them, likewise with Triple H. If you want a perfect example of Vince not knowing his rear end from his elbow is with the recent NXT call ups. He was in Gorilla at the Mania Takerover and look at who gets called up from that show; Baron Corbin and Apollo Crews. Oh of the people involved in, performances and reactions from that show not a single person watching that would think that either of those two guys needed or were ready from the main roster. As we can see they are both floundering, Corbin because he has little talent and no charisma and Crews because he has 0 character other than "Boy he likes to smile!" With his lower and midcard workers disappearing due to being mishandled you could very well soon have a undercard of "great" matches like Daren Young vs. Sin Cara. My only hope is that someone takes advantage of the weakness in the WWE and puts money in a honest alternative. RoH could be that but Sinclair I doubt has that interest, money nor would want to syndicate it wide enough. TNA is of course TNA which is sad. I wish we had a Ted Turner today, someone rich but also much younger and "with it" could do real serious harm to them right now. I think there is a ripe market for Pro Wrestling and the WWE's flank is weak. I think if someone would put together a more professional organization, couple that with making a agreement with something like SAG to get the workers benefits and rights and put together a compelling on screen product would start to spell doom for the WWE.
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May 24, 2016 15:25
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OatmealRaisin posted:I like Kevin Owens but what I like more is that someone is protecting him like crazy. being the legit best heel in years who can do moonsaults and frog splashes as well as powerbombs. dropkicks, and that horrifically amazing "murderous DDT neckbreaker to the knee" probably helps. for a guy his size, his cardio and work rate are mindblowing.
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May 24, 2016 15:27
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i think corbin was on extreme rules but I can't remember, but whenever it was I saw him last I was shocked by how much he looks like a taller matt hardy
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May 24, 2016 15:27
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The_Rob posted:I was just thinking about this, why does WWE always go for a small child audience. I feel like appealing to 13 year olds would be way better, because when I think of when my tastes in media really started to formulate and stick with me was my teenage years. When your a kid you kind of just move on from interest to interest as a teen you become obsessive, and will probably be a long term fan. little kids probably get more money spent on wwe than bigger kids would, unless they want to play the long game with the teen audience and wait 20 years for them to come back as bitter obsessive fans who still pour money into the product
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May 24, 2016 15:28
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Djarum posted:I think there is a ripe market for Pro Wrestling and the WWE's flank is weak. WWE's flank is covered by Comcast. Good loving luck getting another promotion on TV.
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May 24, 2016 15:29
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Solemn Sloth posted:i think corbin was on extreme rules but I can't remember, but whenever it was I saw him last I was shocked by how much he looks like a taller matt hardy He was on the preshow and pulverized the plums of Dolph Ziggler.
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May 24, 2016 15:33
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Djarum posted:I wish we had a Ted Turner today, someone rich but also much younger and "with it" could do real serious harm to them right now. I think there is a ripe market for Pro Wrestling and the WWE's flank is weak. I think if someone would put together a more professional organization, couple that with making a agreement with something like SAG to get the workers benefits and rights and put together a compelling on screen product would start to spell doom for the WWE. I'd agree but WWE has utterly eaten up the a lot of the indie scene you could draw from. if this was like 2 years ago and you could still sign AJ Styles, Kevin Steen, El Generico, Shinsuke Nakamura, Prince Devitt, etc etc then you'd be able to really compete with your own roster. This is probably me being obtuse and not up to speed with the rest of the world, but if you could make a superpromotion drawing from anyone and anywhere in the world, who are your first 10 to 15 guys? Off hand I can think of Omega, Sabre Jr. Prince Puma, John Morrisson, Young Bucks, Chuck Taylor, along with a bunch of other guys from Japan. Again, this is me overselling the guys they already signed but the WWE has really done a good job acquiring all those other guys who were indubitably the biggest names outside their own sphere.
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MinibarMatchman posted:if Dean Ambrose wins MITB I'd strongly consider just quitting watching altogether. The thought of someone so loving bad at wrestling being the teased cash-in over all those other guys would be awful. On the other hand if Jericho won I think it'd be the greatest thing ever just for how amazingly stupid it would be What parallel universe are you living in? Ambrose is an amazing wrestler even with a relatively limited offensive range. The fact that he's decided to stop trying so hard and phone his matches in because he has an obvious glass ceiling but a secure position money wise doesn't make him a bad wrestler. I thought everyone around here loved the Kevin Nash career model.
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May 24, 2016 15:35
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The_Rob posted:I was just thinking about this, why does WWE always go for a small child audience. I feel like appealing to 13 year olds would be way better, because when I think of when my tastes in media really started to formulate and stick with me was my teenage years. When your a kid you kind of just move on from interest to interest as a teen you become obsessive, and will probably be a long term fan. They did during Attitude Era, which is why the average viewer age was something like 23 compared to 47 now. I think they are worried about negative publicity, which in this day and age you can get without even trying to. The WWE is incredibly worried about their image as a company, which is laughable considering what they have promoted over the years. That coupled with making the product much more "PG friendly" in attempt to gain higher end advertisers. You aren't going to get Disney, Coca-Cola or McDonalds with anything that isn't as white bread as possible. The problem is when you go bland in wrestling you lose any interest in it, which we are seeing. I think that the UFC and MMA in general would not be the force it is now if the WWE hadn't turned PG. I think the audience looking for that kind of content jumped ship to that, which I think will be very hard to bring back at this point.
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May 24, 2016 15:37
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WWE is in no way vulnerable, and if anything right now is the least vulnerable it has ever been, thanks to the Network. In pre-Network years, a bad Wrestlemania would be disasterous, but now the revenue is so consistent.
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Dean Ambrose is a fantastic wrestler who understands psychology and character work better than most, he just isn't a flashy offense guy. A lot of people in this forum always seem to think you are a good wrestler if you know a lot of moves.
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May 24, 2016 15:40
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The WWE has done a pretty good job of building up the upper half of their card since Mania. Owens, Zayn, Cesaro, Jericho, Ambrose, Miz, Styles, and Rusev have all looked legit the past month and have gotten quality wins that make them stand out (well, not Miz, but that's intentional). It'll be even better once Cena, Wyatt & Orton come back. The only person they've dropped the ball on has been Kalisto. Also, I like the idea of putting Sheamus against Apollo Crews since it's a fresh feud that can help both guys and also because Crews kind of looks like a ninja turtle.
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May 24, 2016 15:43
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Sanguinia posted:What parallel universe are you living in? Ambrose is an amazing wrestler even with a relatively limited offensive range. The fact that he's decided to stop trying so hard and phone his matches in because he has an obvious glass ceiling but a secure position money wise doesn't make him a bad wrestler. I thought everyone around here loved the Kevin Nash career model. that may be a cool career model but it sure isn't interesting to watch. it's pretty clear he gives less of a poo poo lately, especially comparing how he looked a year or so ago to now. It's honestly less about him and more about how the other guys in that match are epochs better.
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MinibarMatchman posted:that may be a cool career model but it sure isn't interesting to watch. it's pretty clear he gives less of a poo poo lately, especially comparing how he looked a year or so ago to now. It's honestly less about him and more about how the other guys in that match are epochs better. Well, he's like 8th down in the pecking order or so at this point, so the only possible reason he'd win MITB is to turn on Roman. Possible since it would at least be a thinking-free way to fill in the Summerslam ME, but not likely. Owens is the most likely winner unless BIG MATCH JOHN goes there instead of/in addition to squashing Rusev.
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May 24, 2016 15:52
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Sanguinia posted:Well, he's like 8th down in the pecking order or so at this point, so the only possible reason he'd win MITB is to turn on Roman. Possible since it would at least be a thinking-free way to fill in the Summerslam ME, but not likely. Owens is the most likely winner unless BIG MATCH JOHN goes there instead of/in addition to squashing Rusev. well at least this puts things in perspective for me, because john cena being a MITB winner would be even worse. A 15-time champion desperately needing a cash in opportunity, lol.
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VoLaTiLe posted:To be honest at least KO told Cole to shut the gently caress up because he could hear him talking bullshit the whole time, I think the announcers are actually scared of Owens haha lmfao this guy is insinuating that Kevin Owens is shoot intimidating the announcers. Did you think Reigns vs. Lesnar was a shoot too? I loving love this forum for posts like this
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hm for some reason people on here think you are a bad wrestler if all your transitions look really sloppy, a lot of your limited offense is mis-timed, and the stuff you do have in your arsenal tends to look awkwardly comical even though you're meant to be taken as a serious threat, if only during matches. that''s right i'm talking about the rock
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MinibarMatchman posted:well at least this puts things in perspective for me, because john cena being a MITB winner would be even worse. A 15-time champion desperately needing a cash in opportunity, lol. Well, it has been a long time since we got the good old "I'm using the case to challenge you for the belt at the Super Important PPV because I'm honorable," schtick instead of yet another SURPRISE CASH IN. Having John subtly prod at the audience about the World Title record leading to SS may be the only way in the universe to get part of the crowd behind Roman.
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May 24, 2016 15:57
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Cavauro posted:hm for some reason people on here think you are a bad wrestler if all your transitions look really sloppy, a lot of your limited offense is mis-timed, and the stuff you do have in your arsenal tends to look awkwardly comical even though you're meant to be taken as a serious threat, if only during matches. No lies detected
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May 24, 2016 15:58
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Cavauro posted:hm for some reason people on here think you are a bad wrestler if all your transitions look really sloppy, a lot of your limited offense is mis-timed, and the stuff you do have in your arsenal tends to look awkwardly comical even though you're meant to be taken as a serious threat, if only during matches. No one has ever said the Rock is anything more than a god on the mic and a mediocre to average wrestler.
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Cavauro posted:hm for some reason people on here think you are a bad wrestler if all your transitions look really sloppy, a lot of your limited offense is mis-timed, and the stuff you do have in your arsenal tends to look awkwardly comical even though you're meant to be taken as a serious threat, if only during matches. finally someone else says it
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The_Rob posted:Dean Ambrose is a fantastic wrestler who understands psychology and character work better than most, he just isn't a flashy offense guy. A lot of people in this forum always seem to think you are a good wrestler if you know a lot of moves. His punches are loving awful and the Whackyline is awkward and dumb looking.
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Korelle posted:His punches are loving awful and the Whackyline is awkward and dumb looking. I don't give a poo poo. Stone cold has the worst punches ever and the Lou thez press sucks.
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MinibarMatchman posted:I'd agree but WWE has utterly eaten up the a lot of the indie scene you could draw from. if this was like 2 years ago and you could still sign AJ Styles, Kevin Steen, El Generico, Shinsuke Nakamura, Prince Devitt, etc etc then you'd be able to really compete with your own roster. I think the best way to go about it, at least to start with, would be what I think GFW's idea was; get working relationships with foreign and indie promotions and get the best talent together in one place. Then you aren't going to poach their top guys but you have top names working for you and help elevate talent you have there. I agree that the WWE went on a signing spree but I am not sure how long they are going to be able to hold on to all of them. Either way there is always more talent out there. I think I would take your list there, add Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly, Colt Cabana, Chris Hero and Moose to there. Add Cody, Sandow, Barrett and perhaps some other mishandled former WWE talent. I think you can put together a hell of a good Womans division as well with all the talent out there that the WWE won't touch because they don't look like porn models. To me at least that could be a pretty compelling product. But I think that as big if not bigger concern should be putting together a solid organization behind it all, which means a real entertainment management team along with production staff and a collection of both actual minds from the business along with real writers to turn those ideas into something not embarrassing. From every account from people whom have worked in the WWE in those capacities have left because the company does nothing professionally or sane. I chalk it up to them having a lot of the carnie bullshit still ingrained into it. I think though if you treat the talent you have with respect and take care of them along with put out a quality product I don't think that you would have to worry too much about talent in the long term. They will come to you, especially if the other option is the WWE and business as usual.
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The_Rob posted:I don't give a poo poo. Stone cold has the worst punches ever and the Lou thez press sucks. if only dean had enough charisma to let people ignore his baby poop offense
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Man I am so glad to have Enzo back. He is a ball of Pure Wrasslin' Energy and I never want him to go away again.
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Dean is probably one of the most over people on the roster. what the hell are you even taking about?
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The_Rob posted:I don't give a poo poo. Stone cold has the worst punches ever and the Lou thez press sucks. Austin, like Rock and Dean Ambrose, is not a good wrestler either Djarum posted:I think the best way to go about it, at least to start with, would be what I think GFW's idea was While I get the overall message and agree for the most part, starting off by saying "Jeff Jarrett's pyramid scheme 'company' has the right idea" isn't going to win many over
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The_Rob posted:Dean is probably one of the most over people on the roster. what the hell are you even taking about? That doesn't mean his offense doesn't look sloppy and terrible
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Ambrose would probably put more heart into it if he had any reason to care, but WWE's not going to do anything with him and he's probably happy enough in the high midcard not having to take fluorescent light tubes to his balls anymore that he doesn't need to bother politicking for a better spot.
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bradzilla posted:No one has ever said the Rock is anything more than a god on the mic and a mediocre to average wrestler. bradzilla posted:The Rock is an extremely good wrestler, and I am talking about his in-ring skills. Don't twist my words around. caught red-handed
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Austin was a really good wrestler until he reached the point where he couldn't do anything interesting without risking his neck snapping in half what's Dean's excuse? 
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Korelle posted:That doesn't mean his offense doesn't look sloppy and terrible He is over, and that means he is good. offense doesn't mean poo poo at the end of the day.
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Austin was a really good wrestler until he reached the point where he couldn't do anything interesting without risking his neck snapping in half Austin was good after the hurt neck too because he had to use his creativity to make a good match without doing a lot.
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