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Chili posted:Eh, it is what is. After some life changes, I've had to switch over to not eating meat and any forms of animal cruelty, even fictional depiction, just stick with me for too long. It's certainly my hangup and I don't fault the filmmaker for doing whatever he thinks is best for his film, but I don't want to lose sleep over it. And yeah, I've heard the whole "you can watch ________ happen to people, but not animals?" thing before. And all I can really do is agree, it's a silly thing I have. Well there's also a donkey getting shot in the head from a distance as the cold open and brief shot or two of rabbits being skinned, but I think that's it for violent animal scenes. And again, all fake
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timp posted:Well there's also a donkey getting shot in the head from a distance as the cold open and brief shot or two of rabbits being skinned, but I think that's it for violent animal scenes. And again, all fake Got it. I don't want to derail the thread any more with this stuff. I do appreciate being filled in though, thanks.
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hemophilia posted:if you can tolerate man on man violence you should grow a stomach for this stuff, it's a really cool movie not to be missed for delicate sensibilities. Just thought I'd chime in with a personal anecdote: when I worked at a movie theater, I'd occasionally get asked by patrons to tell me if certain content was in movies. Obviously not for horror movies where it's obviously going to happen, but just about everything else. You'd think it'd mostly be about nudity or language, but by far and away the most common spoiler request I got from patrons was asking if dogs died during in the movie. If I told them yes, they'd usually change their tickets in to see something else. What I'm saying is that I don't think that sensitivity is uncommon. Although, to be fair, if you watch up until the offending scene, you've seen like 90% of the good scenes anyway. It becomes a breezy 50 minutes or so. It might be the superior way to view this movie.
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Jun 9, 2016 21:43
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Dogs are better than people, which is why the scene where the woman jumps out the second floor window is funny and the bloody, dying dog isn't.
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Jun 9, 2016 21:56
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There's even a website to help with that kind of thing.
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Yeah I don't like human violence but I can deal with it. Scenes of dog  violence just make me thoroughly unhappy in a different way
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Magic Hate Ball posted:the scene where the woman jumps out the second floor window is funny . whaddaya know hunter girl had a match after all
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I think the aversion to on-screen animal violence stuff is completely understandable - they're fundamentally innocent, after all. Especially with pet animals like dogs and cats. Personally, an animal randomly dying doesn't bother me too much, but if it involves any prolonged suffering I'll get very uncomfortable. Probably the only reason I can get through the infamous dog kennel scene in The Thing is because the alien creature's threat is so fantastical (melting, bio-absoption stuff), it's still the most upsetting portion of that movie for me.
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While I agree there was a degree of incoherence, there were also clear themes that I haven't seen explicitly stated here. The dominant societal belief is if you don't find a match, you've literally failed as a human being, so you don't get to be one anymore. The hidden societal belief is that it's better to fail and become an animal than settle for an imperfect match where you can't tell yourself or others a quick, banal story of why you're a couple. The minority view is that any sort of relationship is soul-killing and a denial of your humanity. It's awful to lose your humanity, and you should reject that consequence, but it's at least as awful to have to compromise your individuality. The Lobster is faced by a truly open choice. Conform to one view? Surrender to immediate or eventual lobster-hood? Come back and try to work out a relationship based on unequal power and fuzzy, sometimes conflicting, inchoate shared interests? (Can she or he even contemplate such a thing?) I think the answer is that he chooses to be a metaphorical Lobster and go out and try again, in e belief that over a long life he will find the one.( Help me out with an aristocratic angle.) The raid on the hotel was a nice touch, you think they're supposed to kill a member of the couples, but they're there to sow doubt and show that single story you tell for being together isn't enough or is an outright lie. You're supposed to believe the Lobster is trying to spare his friend, then that he settled for a middle way as he choked. No, he did exactly what the raid was supposed to accomplish, but better because he brought real knowledge to reveal. The role of kids in this was hysterical.
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Another theme: women are arguably responsible for and driving this romantic distopia. Men are willing to fudge things to make it work, the women are demanding perfect truth and compatibility, both sides' enforcers are women.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Another theme: women are arguably responsible for and driving this romantic distopia. Men are willing to fudge things to make it work, the women are demanding perfect truth and compatibility, both sides' enforcers are women. Yeah, once the thread goes down this path there's no turning back but there's certainly some an uncomfortable male vs. female dynamic going on, and you have poo poo like the maid rubbing herself on Colin Farrell to "stimulate" him or the frequent, open talks of women wanting/needing/being willing to offer anal and other lewd sex that men in porn typically fantasize about. There's a parodic element to it - that this is what women like the biscuit lady are forced to present to potential mates, letting loneliness and fear of the future to degrade themselves to offering themselves up as sex objects for the sake of a relationship. At the same time, it's presented in a very unsettling, dehumanizing way. Most of the women in the film end up being oppressors or guardians to a relationship. No one is really bringing up the dystopian sci-fi elements of this. The scenes with the hotel manager singing and making announcements reminded me more of The Hunger Games than anything else. We have two sects here - the totalitarian mainstream society where anyone out and about on their own is subject to police searches, and the oppressive dictatorship of the rebels who convince you that you are living in freedom but are really subject to the same control. In the hotel masturbation is punished with a hand in a toaster, in the woods masturbation is okay but any intimacy results in slashed lips or worse. The rebel rules do just as much to control your personal autonomy as the oppressive government - which look at real life guerrilla resistances that grow into governments like Communist Cuba or the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution. You're just replacing something oppressive with something just the same, if not worse. David's attempts to conform prevent him from truly realizing himself. In the hotel, he is broken by a desperate attempt to pair with the heartless woman. In the woods, his romantic spirit is crushed by the Loner Leader. One of the few moments of real, honest passionate and intimacy comes when David and the near-sighted woman make out on the couch to a very soulful guitar song. But later on, even they are still bound by societal's ingrained teaching that they need to have a common trait in order to love each other - in this case something as superficial as near-sightedness. They're two honest people caught within a dishonest binary. edit: ahaha The Maid is played by the director's wife. Also, I just remembered that they bring up that homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable option, but bisexual is not, further driving the binary nature of the world. However, we never see any actual gay couples during the course of the movie. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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It seemed like the rebel leader and the double-agent maid were in a relationship? I mean, what passes for a relationship in this movie's world isn't very romantic, but I got the feeling those two were deffo more than friends. Edit: On second thought, maybe it was more of a one-way affection. Morton Haynice fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Morton Haynice posted:It seemed like the rebel leader and the double-agent maid were in a relationship? It's hinted at, but then the leader has no problem getting the maid killed instead of herself.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:The role of kids in this was hysterical. Him kicking the kid in the shin was a beautiful moment.
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The straight or gay, no bi choice up front is a good point I had overlooked. Thanks for that.
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TrixRabbi posted:However, we never see any actual gay couples during the course of the movie. There is definitely at least one male couple in this film, can't remember if it's in the city or after he moves in with the heartless woman. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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bushisms.txt posted:There is definitely at least one male couple in this film, can't remember if it's in the city or after he moves in with the heartless woman. I saw at least one same-sex couple in the couples-only dining area too.
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ConfusedUs posted:I saw at least one same-sex couple in the couples-only dining area too. Ah, I'd have to rewatch it and look for it but I'm not gonna do that anytime soon. I am however rewatching Dogtooth and it's still great and a way better movie.
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This reminded me of Force Majeure although I didn't think it was as good/funny as thatTrixRabbi posted:edit: ahaha The Maid is played by the director's wife. Also, I just remembered that they bring up that homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable option, but bisexual is not, further driving the binary nature of the world. However, we never see any actual gay couples during the course of the movie. There's also the part where he can't get his shoes in a half-size.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:The raid on the hotel was a nice touch, you think they're supposed to kill a member of the couples, but they're there to sow doubt and show that single story you tell for being together isn't enough or is an outright lie. You're supposed to believe the Lobster is trying to spare his friend, then that he settled for a middle way as he choked. No, he did exactly what the raid was supposed to accomplish, but better because he brought real knowledge to reveal. I think it's entirely possible to interpret this scene as that he did not provide any new knowledge. I had the sense from the way they looked at him they were thinking, "Yeah, we've been through that already. Turns out we actually have developed a loving relationship not built on matching a superficial trait, so why don't you get the gently caress off the boat and go back to the woods." I feel as though there are these little vignettes that are all interesting on their own, but they don't really fit together to form a complete picture of this as a dystopia. Though I kind of doubt there was an intention to make it work, so it's sort-of okay.
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Kangra posted:we actually have developed a loving relationship not built on matching a superficial trait I don't think we were watching the same movie
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Kangra posted:I think it's entirely possible to interpret this scene as that he did not provide any new knowledge. I had the sense from the way they looked at him they were thinking, "Yeah, we've been through that already. Turns out we actually have developed a loving relationship not built on matching a superficial trait, so why don't you get the gently caress off the boat and go back to the woods." He has fake blood on his shirt so uh...nah
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I don't think we were watching the same movie
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The hotel raid scenes were my favorite because they had the most of the deliciously cruel Lars von Trier-esque sadism that I wish was more present in the rest of the film. That whole bit with the gun could be sold as a short film and it would be better than 90% of everything in theaters this year.Kangra posted:I think it's entirely possible to interpret this scene as that he did not provide any new knowledge. I had the sense from the way they looked at him they were thinking, "Yeah, we've been through that already. Turns out we actually have developed a loving relationship not built on matching a superficial trait, so why don't you get the gently caress off the boat and go back to the woods." I don't think it was old news, but I do think the wife made a decision in that scene to back him and face it as a private issue, rather than face the humiliation and danger of going back to the hotel.
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I mean, if they went back to the hotel wouldn't they be turned into animals? Didn't seem like either of them had many days left. Also, lmao at the whole thing leading up to a love is blind pun
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Hat Thoughts posted:I mean, if they went back to the hotel wouldn't they be turned into animals? Didn't seem like either of them had many days left. Also, lmao at the whole thing leading up to a love is blind pun The guy would be punished for building a relationship on a lie. The girl would probably just be forced to go through the process again.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The hotel raid scenes were my favorite because they had the most of the deliciously cruel Lars von Trier-esque sadism that I wish was more present in the rest of the film. That whole bit with the gun could be sold as a short film and it would be better than 90% of everything in theaters this year. My only problem with that scene is that if I recall correctly, that is literally the last time we see those characters or even the hotel at all. If it's meant to have consequences on the system or to shock us by not having consequences, it'd be nice if we could be included on that. If it's supposed to be left to our imagination, then I am going to go the extra mile and imagine I'm watching a better movie.
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Magnetic North posted:My only problem with that scene is that if I recall correctly, that is literally the last time we see those characters or even the hotel at all. If it's meant to have consequences on the system or to shock us by not having consequences, it'd be nice if we could be included on that. If it's supposed to be left to our imagination, then I am going to go the extra mile and imagine I'm watching a better movie. it has no consequences beyond ruining a couple peoples' lives, just like everything else, and wasn't really intended to the cinematic Mountain Goats song is not suddenly Divergent
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This is the most blisteringly caustic comedy about relationships since Husbands and Wives, and probably even better than that one.
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I saw this last night and like many of you could not stop thinking about it (and still can't). Here's a fun review by a college sophomore who completely misses the intent behind the movie and every scene they reference: http://cornellsun.com/2016/06/14/the-lobster-youve-been-warned/
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I loved the little side-story between the Nosebleed Girl and her best friend. It was obvious to me that Best Friend was totally in love with Nosebleed Girl and either never told her or felt they didn't have anything in common. Also darkly funny was the fact that folks turned into animals aren't deposited in the actual environments that they'd do well in. They are just chucked into a temperate zone woods. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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MisterBibs posted:Also darkly funny was the fact that folks turned into animals aren't deposited in the actual environments that they'd do well in. They are just chucked into a temperate zone woods. I loving loved how a flamingo just walks by in one scene. Puppy Galaxy posted:I saw this last night and like many of you could not stop thinking about it (and still can't). lol how this dork saves special resentment for claiming the "no, the bisexual option isn't offered" as some incredibly damning slight. People literally will find ways to take umbrage and offense at the tiniest asides.
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MinibarMatchman posted:I loving loved how a flamingo just walks by in one scene. And right after that they tell him he can't have shoes in half sizes. How does he not get that the society in the movie requires people to fit into strict categories and doesn't care about being accommodating.
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Puppy Galaxy posted:Here's a fun review by a college sophomore who completely misses the intent behind the movie and every scene they reference: http://cornellsun.com/2016/06/14/the-lobster-youve-been-warned/ Now, I didn't like this movie, but I did sort of feel like I might have missed the point. Turns out I didn't even know what 'missing the point' was. Holy moley.
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quote:A Facebook ad suggests I visit thelobster-movie.com, where a ten-question test offers to tell me which animal I should choose if I fail to find a partner. I should become a lobster, an ant or a camel, the test determines. How fitting. 
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Eh, it was kinda funny. I generally liked this movie; great, bizarre performances, a sharp and incisive, if not particularly deep story, lots of creepy moments that'll stick in my head for awhile. First half was much stronger than the second. Wish John C. Reilly was in it more. Everything I disliked about it mainly comes down to tiresome arthouse cliches, but jfc if the absolutely useless narration didn't drive me up a wall. It kills the film's momentum dead everytime and kinda sours me on the whole thing.
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Puppy Galaxy posted:Here's a fun review by a college sophomore who completely misses the intent behind the movie and every scene they reference: http://cornellsun.com/2016/06/14/the-lobster-youve-been-warned/ Oh my god. quote:But if David and his earlier partner could share their lack of emotions, why can’t David and the other escapee share their deep emotions? Exactly...?
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Dumb question, but can anyone tell me the name of the guitar piece played during the makeout scene? I know it's a very popular practice piece, but can't for the life of me remember what it's called.
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grate deceiver posted:Dumb question, but can anyone tell me the name of the guitar piece played during the makeout scene? I know it's a very popular practice piece, but can't for the life of me remember what it's called. I don't know music, but on The Lobster's soundtrack page two songs are listed as performed by the actors playing the characters who play the music. One of them appears to be an original composition, so that leaves something called Jeux Interdit. Something called that is on YouTube. It sounds like what I remember.
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