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I like Mafia, I will do the Mafia game.
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Ok, so let me try to piece this together. Ganny said he was a republican and that he didn't have spreadsheets, so he thought that was town. There have also been mentions of 'scum' which I take it are the equivalent of Mafia, and presumably they get spreadsheets for something? I'm also a republican and don't have any spreadsheets so I guess that means we're town. I believe Ganny was the first to reveal the name of the standard "Town" role. It stands to reason that Infinitum is a non-standard role, which means he's either scum or a power role, else he would likely not have come out so quickly against another person claiming to be a regular republican. Lynching him straight off could be risky if he's an important town role. Since we already know that he's likely not a standard republican, why not keep him in our pocket for now? If I'm misinterpreting things here, I apologize, I haven't played the forum version of this before.
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Jun 3, 2016 00:34
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JakeP posted:as far as Ganny reveailing the standard town role thing, the OP mentions fake claims, which probably means the scum team was given the vanilla town win condition/role pm, so don't clear him based on that Those are good points, but on day 1 I generally am not bothered by making people sweat, if only to get them to talk. I'm very slightly concerned about your insistence that everyone should be piling on their votes, but have an overall feeling that you're innocent. I tend to be more suspicious of the quiet ones. As late morning/early afternoon rolls around tomorrow, if anyone hasn't spoken up at all they'll be most likely to get my vote. Silence is damning when no power roles have had a chance to exercise their abilities. Of course, someone may slip up before then, and maybe you're right and infini will prove himself to be too much of a liability to keep around. I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger just yet.
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Jun 3, 2016 01:09
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##vote Hell You haven't made a peep since signup. I know my one vote doesn't mean much, but I don't trust people who sit idly by while democrats, illegals, and socialists are out trying to ruin America. Now do your god-given duty and prove that you're a red-blooded republican, or do you bleed blue?
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Jun 3, 2016 15:36
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JakeP posted:im voting infin I thought he might be either scum or a power role. If he's not lying, it looks like in this version the godfather equivalent can be role-blocked. This early in the game, an extra chance at catching whatever the godfather is, "I role-blocked so-and-so, there was no kill" is pretty huge, isn't it? Also, with so many players alive, the likelihood of a lucky doctor save (mafia and doctor targeting same person) or a lucky investigation (invest targeting mafia, roleblocker blocking invest) is very low. The town roleblocker's usefulness in the early game without information is pretty high, as he has a shot at identifying the killer and only a low chance of blocking useful town roles. Later on, if republicans get thinned out and town power roles increase in "concentration" he becomes more of a liability.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:41
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Parallax Scroll posted:in SA mafia usually the scum team picks someone each night who will carry out their kill. doesn't have to be a godfather Ok, thanks! I'm still reading through the rules as I'm familiar with the basics from other formats, it's my first time playing on a forum.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:56
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JakeP posted:Everyone should be voting Infinitum for this post (if you aren't already for him being unamerican and bashing our country and our eagle) I felt earlier that you were probably innocent JakeP as you raised some good points, but your insistence on lynching someone who has claimed Town RB has raised you from probably innocent to moderately suspicious. Are you Neutral Killing? Neutral killing benefits hugely from lynching every day, as the only way they win is by whittling down the population very quickly. Also, roleblockers, whether they are town or scum, are incredibly dangerous to Neutral Killing. ##unvote ##vote JakeP
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Jun 3, 2016 17:27
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JakeP posted:You're not a doctor bitch http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Nightkill "The kill can also fail if the person who carries out the kill is roleblocked." Probability of roleblocking mafia kill = 1 in 14 or 15 so 7% (depending on how many mafia there are) Probability of doctor saving someone = 1/18 x 1 in 14 or 15 = 0.4% Roleblocker is a better doctor than the doctor.
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Jun 3, 2016 17:36
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In order for doctor to save someone, both doctor and mafia have to target the same person. Roleblocker only has to target the killer. Am I the only one who knows how to multiply fractions?
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Jun 3, 2016 17:37
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JakeP posted:lol statistics don't work here. Yes, when you have a claimed town power role it's different, but we're talking early game where it's random. The doctor RANDOMLY selects someone, and the Mafia, more likely than not, is going to choose someone randomly as well.
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Jun 3, 2016 17:42
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When I'm scum, I always kill randomly, for the reasons you describe. If someone makes reasonable deductions it's likely that they'll be protected by a doctor or a bodyguard. So, you pick someone else off in hopes that you kill a random power role. It's stupid to kill people who stand out.
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Jun 3, 2016 17:48
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JakeP posted:Sounds like you are a lovely scum player Probably lol I still think that it's kind of dumb to say that a town RB is useless. Whatever the odds, doc still needs to target the same person as Mafia, which requires a lot of guesswork. The chance that the RB picks the Mafia killer N1 and stops the kill (more like 6% actually) is high enough that I think it's worth keeping around. And if there is a Neutral killing or other scum roles out there, random RB is not a bad thing.
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Jun 3, 2016 17:57
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Parallax Scroll posted:isn't lynching every day the best strat for town anyway? i thought statistically that put us in a better situation Yeah, but JakeP wanted a bandwagon before infini could claim a role. I suggested he could be a power role. He then claimed a power role that can block night kills, and JakeP calls him useless and still says we should lynch him. It's fine if someone blusters and can't come up with a claim, but to go ahead and lynch someone who can block night kills without a second thought? That seems reckless to me. He could be right and infini could be lying scum, and if that's the case then we can lynch infini and JakeP is vindicated. Right now though JakeP is advocating actions that could cripple republicans day 1 if infini is telling the truth though, and that's troubling.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:24
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im paying attention dongy boy i just want to get rid of the serial killer first
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Jun 3, 2016 18:47
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Hoooooly shiiiiit
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Jun 3, 2016 18:56
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Absurd Revolver posted:Yeah my first dumb instinct was to look at Inf, but he's a better player than that. This feels like a scum/SK feint if I've ever seen one. Not convinced, but empty votes followed by silence are a good scum strategy, and a little pressure to get people to talk is always welcome. I'd try it with Hell but I think he's long gone. Too bad JakeP wasn't scum, but surv can vote/win with scum so not a total loss. ##unvote ##vote Doctor Strangelove
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Jun 3, 2016 19:22
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Day killing vigi, drat! Bet we have McCain too. Dems are hosed, boys.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:50
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gannyGrabber posted:Why would i reveal myself if this is the case? You're dumb. Was just thinking that myself.
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Jun 3, 2016 20:22
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9 to lynch with 17 alive correct?
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Jun 3, 2016 22:17
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On my phone now it updates slowly.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:25
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I don't have night actions, but do you mean 7pm tomorrow?
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Jun 3, 2016 23:12
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Well gently caress. Nothing happened to me, but I wish the good doctor was still with us. Why two kills?
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Jun 4, 2016 23:02
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He's a Republican must be town.
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Jun 4, 2016 23:49
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Led a lynch mob against vanilla townie...I guess we can at least hear his case by adding a little heat. ##vote frog rear end
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Jun 4, 2016 23:52
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I'm used to games where voting someone up just gives them a chance to defend themselves, rather than insta-lynch. How else can you gather info except by putting pressure on people?
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Jun 4, 2016 23:56
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Kashuno posted:do you think frog is scum or nah I think at best he led a random lynch with pretty words. Scummy.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:04
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If I was sure I'd lead the mob myself. I'm voting for the same reason you are, to see what he's got to say. We've got Dems and possibly a serial killer, that's a lot of scum, and with all the innocent deaths it gets harder and harder to miss, but we have to hit a jackpot soon.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:10
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Good explanation, was thinking vote after he was hanged was overkill. ##unvote
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Jun 5, 2016 00:12
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I just hope we have a bodyguard or something and some invest roles, can't afford to lynch more republicans on rumor. Would love something solid.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:55
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Douche Phoenix posted:There's is no end to joke phase. And how often are there townie role blockers. How often do cops get anonymous daykills? This is a weird game with weird roles. I'm half-tempted to throw my support behind Trump, but I've got to spend a good four hours staring at the ceiling tonight before making a decision like that. I'd hate to see Ted's beautiful smile disappear.
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Jun 6, 2016 03:51
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gannyGrabber posted:All republicans are town. You can't acknowleged that I'm ted and still vote for me without being a mafia or just a plain ol baddie Too elaborate to be fake, especially the part about you getting stronger if Trump goes down. Makes sense.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:21
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I'm just hoping our cop gets a lucky invest, infini RB's a killer, we have a bodyguard, or something else gets us a liberal kill because we can't lynch another god-fearing Republican. Are days 48 hours or 72 hours?
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Jun 6, 2016 16:05
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So, you're a townie with 1-shot dayvig. Also investigator who claimed even before being RB for literally 1 night. First as "ghost of Ronald Reagan" then as "Lyin' Ted". Maybe just hoping for BG or doctor protection, otherwise bad idea to claim so early if true. I think you are Lyin', but I don't think you're Ted. Gotta vote with the Donald on this one. ##vote gannyGrabber
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Jun 6, 2016 20:50
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Kashuno posted:they're voting ganny because they won't think it through Ok, so he anonymously murdered (not my word, read the flip) arguably one of our more intelligent players, and when he turned out to be 3P owned up to it. How exactly does that prove he's town? The fact that not even the night kills use that flavor text has me wondering why more people aren't suspicious.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:07
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Kashuno posted:It's likely scum killed last night. Ok, so let's say you have a player who dayvig's one of your smartest players d1. He also claims cop d1 and says , "Oops guys guess I'm dead tonight sorry lol." Is he a town Cop, or a scum Rolecop?
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Jun 6, 2016 21:23
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And for the record, just because nobody's counterclaiming the dayvig doesn't mean all that power is under one card. Sounds like a lot of power for one scum role, but if it's two scum working together the other one isn't going to out himself.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:27
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Kashuno posted:So how do you explain away the cop claim? A town cop would claim, knowing they have 100% found scum which is more than cops in Mafia can say a lot of the time. Stop being so obtuse omg. A cop who claims day 1. That's before he's investigated anybody. That's a cop who knows he's probably not getting night killed. Scum Rolecop? The only reason you cop claim day 1 is if you want protection on you. Doc is dead and he keeps reiterating that he's cop, probably to draw off BG and make sure there's night kill success.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:38
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Kashuno posted:then where is the real cop? Doing his job, investigating to reveal when he has information to reveal on scum. Not before.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:41
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Is the game limited to one type of power role in the game? With 18 players (and ganny claiming at least 3 power roles) that seems a little strange.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:46
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Kashuno posted:What are you even talking about One investigative/Cop role, one doctor, etc. I've played games with enough people where there were duplicate roles. Also for ganny he's claiming. 1. Dayvig 2. Cop 3. More power roles if Trump dies
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Jun 6, 2016 21:51
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