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Teenage Fansub posted:I enjoy everything I'm pulling (except for the the Final Days of Superman and Earth 2 I was reading out some obligation.) I don't feel like I need to reel myself back, unless I really had to have $40ish a week to go elsewhere. My game backlog is way harder for me to justify than my comics. I complain about having dozens of unread books and I keep buying more, but at least the books I buy don't all go on sale for 50% off a month after I bought them and left them untouched. I am a dummy that preordered The Division's season pass and that alone was a worse purchase than any comicbook I own  .
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Toxxupation posted:So I'm on The Clown at Midnight in Morrison's Batman run Wait till that artist returns in Batman Inc to depict cyberspace. It's horrific. It's great. If you're reading in singles, remember to skip the Resurrection of Ras issues coming up. Bit of a useless crossover. Dunno if they removed them for trades. e: And don't give up! There's a JH Williams III drawn arc around the corner. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Toxxupation posted:So I'm on The Clown at Midnight in Morrison's Batman run, and I have to ask - is this comic just a product of its time or something? Like did anyone here read it back in 2007 when it came out and was the whole lovely sub-SFM/Garry's Mod-quality graphics good and/or effective, or the unbelievably purple prose impactful and interesting? Because man this issue comes across as actively repellent when reading it nearly a decade removed as part of a run.
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Jun 3, 2016 04:43
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God having just finished The Clown at Midnight there's only one time Morrison actually utilizes the fact that it's prose in a way that's effective or necessitates the form and that's the whole "Joker deciding what personality he wants to be" bit, which could've itself been done with him staring in a mirror or something and it runs through all the various faces he's had. Everything else about the issue felt like what you'd find if you searched for "Batman noir" on fanfiction.net. And it doesn't even end. Like that's the most insulting part. Thousands and thousands of words and it doesn't have a conclusion that feels satisfactory or earned. What an annoying, annoying issue.
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Jun 3, 2016 04:53
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Ive read through Morrison's run a few times now and somehow I forget that issue exists every single time and I get to be horrified all over again.
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Jun 3, 2016 04:55
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Toxxupation posted:God having just finished The Clown at Midnight there's only one time Morrison actually utilizes the fact that it's prose in a way that's effective or necessitates the form and that's the whole "Joker deciding what personality he wants to be" bit, which could've itself been done with him staring in a mirror or something and it runs through all the various faces he's had. Everything else about the issue felt like what you'd find if you searched for "Batman noir" on fanfiction.net. And it doesn't even end. Like that's the most insulting part. Thousands and thousands of words and it doesn't have a conclusion that feels satisfactory or earned. That is the exact issue that made me drop Morrison's Batman. It really is a super lovely comic. Real interesting, but super lovely. Jokers poison blood is hilarious too.
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Mr Hootington posted:That is the exact issue that made me drop Morrison's Batman. It really is a super lovely comic. Real interesting, but super lovely. Jokers poison blood is hilarious too. So you dropped it right after Batman and son arc, before the comic began to really become good?
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Jun 3, 2016 05:34
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Is Marvel Unlimited any good? It says it has more than 17,000 comics, but is that just comics they don't think they can sell independently?
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Jun 3, 2016 09:37
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It's basically everything older than six months, minus Max and non-Star Wars licensed comics. Unless you wanna read Godzilla King of the Monsters or The Punisher, you're set. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 09:56
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Yeah, there some runs from the 80s and 90s that aren't there, but they add all new releases 6 months behind and add new back issues every week. But they're not holding back anything because it might hurt trade sales or whatever. You wanna read Fraction's Hawkeye or the Hickman FF through Avengers/New Avengers, Gaiman's 1602, all of the Miller Daredevil comics, even the original Dr Strange backups from Strange Tales, it's all there.
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Jun 3, 2016 12:30
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Marvel Unlimited absolutely slays, it's a godsend for new comics readers.
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bobkatt013 posted:So you dropped it right after Batman and son arc, before the comic began to really become good? This is what I'm told. At the time the first arc wasn't really good and that prose issue convinced me this was going to be experimental art Grant and not trippy, good comics Grant. Who could have known. boom boom boom posted:Is Marvel Unlimited any good? It says it has more than 17,000 comics, but is that just comics they don't think they can sell independently? It is the greatest thing ever and a steal at $10 a month.
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I liked the first arc. Damian comes across as Jason Todd except with a justified reason for being the way he is and not "No, gently caress YOU dad!"
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Jun 3, 2016 15:18
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That prose issue is really the only bad part of Morrison's Batman
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Jun 3, 2016 15:20
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Teenage Fansub posted:Wait till that artist returns in Batman Inc to depict cyberspace. It's horrific. It's great. Different artist. Still terrible both times, agreed.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:58
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I love that there's multiple dudes out there churning out the ugliest Poser comics imaginable.
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hup posted:I love that there's multiple dudes out there churning out the ugliest Poser comics imaginable. Brutal owns on Mike Deodato and Ariel Olivetti.
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I'm surprised nobody seems to call Mikael Janin out on it. Granted, most of the time it works for him. He usually does just enough free drawing on top, but...  Unless the story is about Lex replacing the Justice League with action figures. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'm surprised nobody seems to call Mikael Janin out on it. Those are clearly Poser models, but they're also Poser models with actual hand drawn stuff on top of them. It looks like he only uses the Poser models for actual posing and modeling. The coloring also makes it look much better than it should. It's not great, but I'd rather read a book with that art in it than a Greg Land or even a Jim Lee or Bryan Hitch.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'm surprised nobody seems to call Mikael Janin out on it. Janin layouts are top notch so I can excuse his models.
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Teenage Fansub posted:If you're reading in singles, remember to skip the Resurrection of Ras issues coming up. Bit of a useless crossover. Dunno if they removed them for trades. quote:e: And don't give up! There's a JH Williams III drawn arc around the corner.
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Did The Black Casebook come out right before Morrison's Batman RIP run? Because I'm trying to see how anyone could reasonably remember a bunch of super obscure Golden/Silver Age Batman stories (and Robin Dies At Dawn) without it, or how the run makes any loving sense whatsoever if you don't have those stories fresh in your mind. Or is Bat-Mite/Zur-En-Arr/Club of Superheroes more memorable than I assumed? But yeah these issues might be the straight-up densest comics I've ever read. Seriously trying to envision anyone reading this comic monthly and making heads or tails of what's going on.
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After. That period was a big attempt by him to show how all the crazy old Batman stories existed for this guy. Almost everything he writes for DC is filled with obscure history, but he usually leaves it up to you to go look it up. That casebook is a rare official helper. I think some website has a footnote guide for every issue, or did while it was running. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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That "red and black" reveal for Jezebel Jet is crass. Even for comics, and by comics standards, that's a crass reveal.
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God drat it, loving NO! Not Muhammad Ali! gently caress! Wasn't Darwyn Cooke enough?
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And yes this is on topic for a comics forum.
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Lurdiak posted:God drat it, loving NO! Not Muhammad Ali! gently caress! Wasn't Darwyn Cooke enough? He's a boxer who made it 74. Not exactly a great candidate for the "Why him, Lord?" treatment
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boom boom boom posted:He's a boxer who made it 74. Not exactly a great candidate for the "Why him, Lord?" treatment I definitely don't want to tell people how sad they should be about anybody dying but I honestly thought he died like, decades ago.
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Lurdiak posted:God drat it, loving NO! Not Muhammad Ali! gently caress! Wasn't Darwyn Cooke enough? 
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Toxxupation posted:Did The Black Casebook come out right before Morrison's Batman RIP run? Because I'm trying to see how anyone could reasonably remember a bunch of super obscure Golden/Silver Age Batman stories (and Robin Dies At Dawn) without it, or how the run makes any loving sense whatsoever if you don't have those stories fresh in your mind. Or is Bat-Mite/Zur-En-Arr/Club of Superheroes more memorable than I assumed? The story only really needs you to know the broad strokes, namely that the Batman stories of 50 years ago were weird and silly. Morrison hadn't read everything in the Black Casebook before he wrote RIP.
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Bat-mite's pretty memorable as far as obscure dudes go.
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I think Jeph Loeb was probably the last person to use Bat Mite prominently before Morrison's run. Both wildly different interpretations, but they were both really well done. Rhyno, you better tell me it's not true that he sold some of his collection while his son was sick. Sam Loeb died while my mom had cancer. She got better, but it made me a huge Jeph Loeb apologist.
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Toxxupation posted:Did The Black Casebook come out right before Morrison's Batman RIP run? Because I'm trying to see how anyone could reasonably remember a bunch of super obscure Golden/Silver Age Batman stories (and Robin Dies At Dawn) without it, or how the run makes any loving sense whatsoever if you don't have those stories fresh in your mind. Or is Bat-Mite/Zur-En-Arr/Club of Superheroes more memorable than I assumed? Just chillax, enjoy some high-quality Batmanning about, and take to heart that you don't actually need to know anything about those past stories. They're referenced, they're out there if you want to read them, but you don't need them. I have never read the Black Casebook issues, but that era of Grant's Batman is still one of my favorites hands down. Grant did not expect you, the casual reader, to have read the entirety of the Silver Age. Or any of it, really. Like, the Batmen of Nations; like, there was an international group of ersatz Batmen once. OK, that's all you need to know, and you learn that within the comic. All of the characters' relationships is established within the comics, too. It is dense, sure, and it only gets more complicated (hellooooooo, Return of BW #6!), but that's part of the fun, and what makes this run stand out so much. Don't fight it, roll with it, baby! redbackground fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Except for Morrison loving up the ending of Son of the Demon so that Talia date-rapes Bruce instead of them essentially being a happily married couple. I can still be upset about that, right?
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Travis343 posted:Except for Morrison loving up the ending of Son of the Demon so that Talia date-rapes Bruce instead of them essentially being a happily married couple. I can still be upset about that, right? Yes.
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Die Laughing posted:
I don't know if it's 100% true but I think I read it was to cover expenses not covered by their insurance.
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Toxxupation posted:Did The Black Casebook come out right before Morrison's Batman RIP run? Because I'm trying to see how anyone could reasonably remember a bunch of super obscure Golden/Silver Age Batman stories (and Robin Dies At Dawn) without it, or how the run makes any loving sense whatsoever if you don't have those stories fresh in your mind. Or is Bat-Mite/Zur-En-Arr/Club of Superheroes more memorable than I assumed? I never read any of those original stories, and still enjoyed the book enough to earn this avatar. Doogz's annotations just bumped it from very good to great. It is pretty dense, but it's a juicy cut of meat. Even divorced from the plot, the dialogue really sings.
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Toxxupation posted:I'm reading The Black Casebook (because I'm doing a Morrison Batman readthrough) and Golden Age Batman is the craziest loving poo poo ever. My favorite batshit old Batman story is something I read about in a Cracked article about craziest ways superheroes have held onto their secret identities. This guy has dinner with Batman and Robin and figures out from their gestures that they're high society. He eventually pieces it together that Bruce Wayne is Batman. He visits Wayne Manor to rub it in Bruce's face and Batman walks into the room with a poo poo-eating grin. He asks Batman some specific questions about their dinner and Batman tells him the correct answers until the guy leaves, realizing he was wrong all along. Dick rightfully asks Bruce about the guy dressed as Batman. Bruce simply found a dude who was blind and deaf, dressed him up as Batman and there you go. The comic just leaves it at that. No explanation of who the guy actually is, where he came from or if he even knows what the hell is going on. He was just wandering around a mansion dressed as Batman while Bruce did ventriloquism to a guy who wouldn't even know to move his mouth. And it worked!
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Thoughts: Final Crisis is too complicated for its own good and felt like it was actively trying to make its readers feel stupid for not getting it. "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" is a really, really powerful Batman story.
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Toxxupation posted:Thoughts:
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