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Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Doltos posted:Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. Social Justice Bubble
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Doltos posted:You're all insane. Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan were absolutely more important athletes than Jesse Owens and Jackie Robinson in the Americana view of professional athletes. 90% of America could probably name those two athletes alongside Muhammed Ali. Jesse Owens and Jackie Robinson took great leaps forward for the cause of black athletes in professional sports but they were hardly the activists that Ali was and hardly the personalities of Jordan or Ruth. When people think of great historical figures and heroic legacies, they think Michael Jackson. Ali is #1 in North America, #1 around the world with Pele at #2, Wayne Gretzky was greater than Jordan.
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Doltos posted:Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. Importance and fame are STILL not the same thing no matter how much you pretend.
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Jun 4, 2016 15:48
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Doltos posted:Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. You'll also find a ton of people that think the Kardashians are compelling television stars. It doesn't make them right.
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Jun 4, 2016 15:48
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it's a testament to ali's greatness that a bunch of people who never saw him fight are willing to vociferously defend him
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Jun 4, 2016 15:49
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the most important athlete is Carmelo Anthony because he's the first digital athlete
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Doltos posted:Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. farrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttt
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zakharov posted:farrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttt Zak shut up you're the biggest weiner straight up brolic posted:it's a testament to ali's greatness that a bunch of people who never saw him fight are willing to vociferously defend him youtube and .gifs
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Jun 4, 2016 16:04
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Doltos, does Ric Flair being a 15-time world champion degrade Ali's mere three times being world champ?
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straight up brolic posted:the most important athlete is Carmelo Anthony because he's the first digital athlete
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straight up brolic posted:the most important athlete is Carmelo Anthony because he's the first digital athlete Jason Pierre-Paul is more important because he is the first digitless athlete
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AsInHowe posted:Doltos, does Ric Flair being a 15-time world champion degrade Ali's mere three times being world champ? No, Ric Flair's social change trumps Ali's. Look at how many girls now wear those sexy rear end 1980's leggings because of him
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A lot of people can name Jordan but I think that's by virtue of him being active in the last 20 years (and a lot of millennials seeing Space Jam).
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why don't you guys post about Ali instead of arguing about the semantics of fame and importance?
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straight up brolic posted:why don't you guys post about Ali instead of arguing about the semantics of fame and importance? welcome to SAS
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Jason Pierre-Paul is more important because he is the first digitless athlete JPP has nothing on Alex Zanardi.
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Gretzky was greater than Jordan
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straight up brolic posted:why don't you guys post about Ali instead of arguing about the semantics of fame and importance? Ali's most underrated aspect was his ability to say a lot with a little. His speeches weren't great because he rhymed and talked trash, they were great because he could paint amazing pictures with simple metaphors and similes.
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Doltos posted:Sorry bros not everyone lives in the social justice bubble of SAS. You absolutely are going to find a ton of people who think Jordan is more important than Robinson and will think you're crazy af for not thinking the same way. You'll find people who say Donald Trump is more important than Robinson, that doesn't make it so.
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Realised today that there was only a three year gap between Ali (finally) retiring and Mike Tyson turning pro, which is crazy. They seem like eons apart.
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Sad to see him go, I don't care much for boxing but he was much bigger than that. Also I see Daltos going full Daltos which seems inappropriate.
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There's an argument to be made, and I don't know my position on it, that Jordan's impact on the world of professional sports was greater (in scope, obviously, not ethically) than Robinson or Owens'. Ali is obviously #1, and it would take a world-shifting event for anyone else to even have an opportunity to be as impactful.
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AsInHowe posted:Gretzky was greater than Jordan Certainly comes off as a better person. What's the best book about Ali?
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GeneX posted:There's an argument to be made, and I don't know my position on it, that Jordan's impact on the world of professional sports was greater (in scope, obviously, not ethically) than Robinson or Owens'. I think Robinson breaking the color barrier was an unbelievable impact on professional sports in the same vein as Ali's talk about Vietnam and racism in America. Only issue is Robinson was also a conservative republican who voted for Nixon and was all for the Vietnam war, so it's a little confusing to me when people here are praising his activism when he was really main lining traditional values of the era. Owens also wasn't really an activist at all and was fighting the much realer fight of getting paid so he could eat. I'm sure if he was in Ali's era he'd have had an easier personal life which would have allowed him to fight for his causes, but even then he was also clearly on record saying he didn't support the black panther salute at the Olympics. So taking activism out of it, which was just one part of what made Ali the GOAT, if we're talking about pure impacts on sports I don't see how Robinson or Owens equals the other huge names of the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, and Boxing. I just don't see it. Apparently that makes me worse than Hitler again.
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I liked Tyson better as a fighter but Ali had a hell of a life. What an athlete.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Certainly comes off as a better person. Ugh Gretz personally enforced Stephen loving Harper during our last election and will forever be tainted with that brush.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Certainly comes off as a better person. This is a good starter packet of articles. https://theringer.com/muhammad-ali-syllabus-read-watch-video-174a6bea681a#.m1qv1viib
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Doltos posted:I think Robinson breaking the color barrier was an unbelievable impact on professional sports in the same vein as Ali's talk about Vietnam and racism in America. Only issue is Robinson was also a conservative republican who voted for Nixon and was all for the Vietnam war, so it's a little confusing to me when people here are praising his activism when he was really main lining traditional values of the era. Owens also wasn't really an activist at all and was fighting the much realer fight of getting paid so he could eat. I'm sure if he was in Ali's era he'd have had an easier personal life which would have allowed him to fight for his causes, but even then he was also clearly on record saying he didn't support the black panther salute at the Olympics. No one is saying you are worse than Hitler. I agree with you, of course the average American person is more likely to know who Gretzky or Michael Jordan is compared to Jesse Owens. The former are clearly much more famous. Johnny Manziel is more famous than Jesse Owens. But it's just...that's a stupid, worthless point to make. And yeah, Owens and Robinson weren't focused on activism primarily. But again, who cares? What is your point? What is "pure impact on sports" and why are you trying to rank athletes on such a dumbass metric.
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nature6pk posted:Ugh Gretz personally enforced Stephen loving Harper during our last election and will forever be tainted with that brush. Yeah, I was as disappointed as you were by that, but not completely surprised given Gretz's wealth. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Doltos posted:I think Robinson breaking the color barrier was an unbelievable impact on professional sports in the same vein as Ali's talk about Vietnam and racism in America. Only issue is Robinson was also a conservative republican who voted for Nixon and was all for the Vietnam war, so it's a little confusing to me when people here are praising his activism when he was really main lining traditional values of the era. Owens also wasn't really an activist at all and was fighting the much realer fight of getting paid so he could eat. I'm sure if he was in Ali's era he'd have had an easier personal life which would have allowed him to fight for his causes, but even then he was also clearly on record saying he didn't support the black panther salute at the Olympics. And? I don't give a poo poo, There were tons of people who believed Vietnam. In that particular Time and space I completely understand supporting it. And the Black Panthers are still a debate , so yeah back then I completely understand it. I don't need some perfect athlete to embody every thing perfectly that I never disagree with. It's why I don't get mad at people who supported the various crime bills in the 90s, or supported the Iraq war. In that particular time and place I completely understand supporting it. My anger is directed at the government who lied and manipulated people into said war. If you wanna be honest Ali was a gigantic piece of poo poo to Fraizer and others with some of the offensive things he said. People are a mix of their flaws and successes. Also if you don't think loving Jackie Robinson has a greater impact on sports than loving Gretzky or Babe Ruth you are a loving idiot and I am done responding to anything you have to say.
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Yeah, I love Wayne and he's been a great ambassador for the sport but Jackie's more important.
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Pron on VHS posted:And yeah, Owens and Robinson weren't focused on activism primarily. But again, who cares? What is your point? What is "pure impact on sports" and why are you trying to rank athletes on such a dumbass metric. Because everyone else was for two pages? Dexo posted:Also if you don't think loving Jackie Robinson has a greater impact on sports than loving Gretzky or Babe Ruth you are a loving idiot and I am done responding to anything you have to say. Sorry for having a different opinion than you Dexo. I didn't know you were so sensitive. Also love how you dropped Jordan or any other black athlete out of your example.
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Jesus just stop with the comparisons already. Arguing over whose more important, for gently caress's sake who cares. Can't we celebrate the life that Ali led? He was inspirational to many, including me. “Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
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Jun 4, 2016 18:32
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this is the worst thread in the history of SAS which is saying something
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RIP Muhammad Ali, dead at 74 SAS: Uh, define "dead"
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straight up brolic posted:this is the worst thread in the history of SAS which is saying something Yeah my bad, I got suckered in. Anyway  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4mtBYhCScM
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George Chuvalo was floored upon hearing the news. A posthumous Ali says, "Finally."
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