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Sorry Steve, you're just not marketable. You're barely over 6 feet, you've got no body definition, you're bald, and you just come out in those plain black trunks. You'll never be anything worthwhile. Also small guys will never draw Mr. McGregor, please go back to Ireland.
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I also think them talking so much about The Shield points to Dean holding MITB but WWE and logic have a very tumultuous relationship so who knows.
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Sanguinia posted:Sorry Steve, you're just not marketable. You're barely over 6 feet, you've got no body definition, you're bald, and you just come out in those plain black trunks. You'll never be anything worthwhile. Conor McGregor would never get away with any of the poo poo he pulls in WWE.
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If it's any consolation, maybe WWE will bring back the Cruiserweight division, and then, much like McGregor proved against Nate Diaz, all the little guys will be able to beat each other but be make to be complete jokes by anyone bigger than them.
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Tyler Breeze and Fandango are good. Let's have more of that.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Because this is what would happen Solus posted:Because Roman will get booed otherwise I mean, sure, but that's been the case for like two years now and they've been just gutting it out this whole time, not giving a gently caress and trying to fix it in post so they can pretend it didn't happen, so I'm wondering what apparently changed now. ShakeZula posted:Yeah, they can't put Roman out there in front of the crowd for too long, since the boos only seem to get stronger over the course of a segment. And I wonder if they're trying to keep Rollins' in-ring workload light to ensure he makes it to the PPV at 100%. if roman can't reliably work weekly matches against the Kanes of the world to remind kids he's there how can we ever truly trust him to be the new John Cena
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Why would you blow Cena/Styles on a lovely C Tier PPV with no stakes why
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They're trying pretty hard to make Money in the Bank a big deal. "A guaranteed new champion! A Wrestlemania main event calibre match! A dream match over a decade in the making!"
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yeah MITB has been the biggest non-big-4 PPV for a while and is arguably bigger than Survivor Series at least
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Alain Post posted:yeah MITB has been the biggest non-big-4 PPV for a while and is arguably bigger than Survivor Series at least If anything I'd say MitB has usurped SS for Big 4-tier. Survivor Series is definitely B-tier and has been for like 6 years.
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One positive if they've decided Roman is THE GUY now is that they might not immediately go 'oh god John Cena sold one less shirt after losing, have him beat up AJ Styles and make him cry and beg for mercy and then throw him in a garbage truck'
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Efexeye posted:Why would you blow Cena/Styles on a lovely C Tier PPV with no stakes MITB has been an A tier top 4 PPV since 2011.
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SomeMathGuy posted:A Wrestlemania main event calibre match! Like HHH vs. Reigns Marquis de Pyro posted:One positive if they've decided Roman is THE GUY now is that they might not immediately go 'oh god John Cena sold one less shirt after losing, have him beat up AJ Styles and make him cry and beg for mercy and then throw him in a garbage truck' Probably not though
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Kevin Owens needs to win the Briefcase so that when Sami Zayn wins the title off Roman, he can cash in to better support his family.
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Korelle posted:MITB has been an A tier top 4 PPV since 2011. IMO MITB miiight be the second most eventful PPV of the year at this point. The Big 4 are now MITB, Summerslam, Rumble, and Mania IMO, and I think the importance of those four might go Mania, MITB, Rumble, Summerslam, though obviously it's tight. I say this because for the most part, MITB has always been the crowning of a new star (or at least the beginning of said journey) in some way. Punk, Bryan, Rollins, and to a degree even Miz.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I say this because for the most part, MITB has always been the crowning of a new star (or at least the beginning of said journey) in some way. Punk, Bryan, Rollins, and to a degree even Miz. Amazing careers such as Jack Swagger and 2015 Sheamus
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Which pay-per-views have important matches on them seems to vary, outside of the big 3. I don't think there's a clear-cut #4 every year. I still suspect one or both of the big singles matches will have a screwy non-definitive finish, call me old fashioned.
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Go RV! posted:Amazing careers such as Jack Swagger and 2015 Sheamus That's Hollywood Star Sheamus actually
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Go RV! posted:Amazing careers such as Jack Swagger and 2015 Sheamus Let's not forget the amazing post-MITB career of Damian Sandow.
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Efexeye posted:in any case, the heat level of that crowd during their first promo says that is a money draw Hell, I was sort of on the fence over whether or not to resub to the network for takeover and when I saw we were getting Cena/AJ it made it a no brainer.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:This time she was kneed in the face by a ref. Before that I think she hit the the turnbuckle bad. I'm pretty sure one of the many many times she landed on her loving neck put her out. Next week she's getting tangled in some tuna nets. You really are the best poster here. I just want you to know that.
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Go RV! posted:Amazing careers such as Jack Swagger and 2015 Sheamus Swagger was when they had two cases, and I said for the MOST part. If you're seriously arguing that MITB hasn't largely shifted into a "new star making" vehicle, I don't know what to tell you. It's pretty much the only consistent one WWE has/uses now.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Swagger was when they had two cases, and I said for the MOST part. I would seriously argue that. Look at the track record, just look at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Money_in_the_Bank I mean, they might think that they're making stars with this thing, but recent history does not bear that out. Regardless, it's anything but consistent.
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The new up and coming star, Sheamus
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flashy_mcflash posted:I would seriously argue that. Look at the track record, just look at it. I did look at it, and I'm including Punk's title win, which wasn't MITB-related but it occurred at the show. Since 2011, MITB has been something of a launching bad (and in some cases a direct launching pad) for Miz back when they gave a poo poo about him (or at least pretended to and wanted us to take him seriously), Punk, Bryan, Rollins, hell even Ziggler who IMO got derailed by the concussion thing. Also sorta ADR, Let's say that's 4-6 guys in 5 years depending on which ones you wanna count or not. Some of you people are really obtuse. Of course Sheamus and Orton and Cena aren't/weren't new stars but MITB is now an event PPV for WWE and is often the most likely point for a guy to get pushed up the card.
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I can only hope my TEW game becomes reality and Sheamus beats Roman Reigns for the title at the 2017 Royal Rumble, and then enters the Rumble immediately afterward and wins that as well #wewantsheamus
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I did look at it, and I'm including Punk's title win, which wasn't MITB-related but it occurred at the show. MITB is an indication of someone they want to push in that moment (maybe), but you can't seriously consider Ziggler and ADR as having been made, certainly not by the case. If your argument is that MITB is a big deal, well, it probably could be, but their willingness to put it on people like Sheamus, and Dave's statements that the winners are determined basically last minute with no plan for them going forward makes it far less likely than, say, the Rumble as an indicator of a sustained push. In other news, Luke Harper is going to be in a movie I'm genuinely excited for and looks dope a.f. http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/07/mohawk-ted-geoghegan
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MITB has become a fun proxy for the theoretical "upset" Rumble win that doesn't/shouldn't ever happen. You tend to get a newish guy pushed into the title mix, which is always welcome. The booking of the cash-in itself is kind of a storytelling crutch at this point, but at least it advances WWE's overall narrative more than a modern Wrestlemania tends to at this point.
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I mean WM32 was basically removed from canon 24 hours later outside of the result of roman reigns winning (steph was even pretty much face again like 3 weeks later too after being rita from power rangers). also lmao @ the summerslam card last year. basically no ppvs are important and nothing matters
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I hope the secret 7th competitor in the MITB match is it's eventual winner and future 15 time world champion, the Game.
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My argument is that MITB has been a PPV where big things either happen or are set up more than all but a couple other WWE shows. MITB is an A-Tier show now.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:My argument is that MITB has been a PPV where big things either happen or are set up more than all but a couple other WWE shows. By default, I guess. It only has gravity because almost nothing else has gravity. And even MITB is worthless when someone like Sheamus has it. If the standard for 'big things' is 'WWE paints themselves into another impossible corner they have to book their way out of', then MITB is all about them thaaaangs
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Swagger was when they had two cases, and I said for the MOST part. Being Mr. Money in the Bank is a big deal, but I think the cash-in is a bigger deal than the match. It's kinda cool to know that somebody has a plot device title shot sometime in the next year coming up though. I think looking for in-stone "A-tier" or Big 4 thing is kind of overanalyzing it, WWE just puts on a network/PPV card every month. Sometimes they're stalling for time, sometimes they'll do something big. But! If Rollins wins, I'll agree. Also why isn't RVD in this MitB match. He should just be in every one, as part of the stipulation. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Golashes posted:basically no ppvs are important and nothing matters Then. Now. Forever.
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SomeMathGuy posted:Then. Now. Forever. What about the one where Bork suplexed everybody?
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The briefcase being a proxy title for people to feud over in itself is interesting, but does make me question why they don't just have another belt. I hope they don't go back to two briefcases next year with the brand split.
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:Tyler Breeze and Fandango are good. Let's have more of that. I'm really glad it wasn't a one time thing and they started escalating it; bringing back the VIP lounge, having them dress the same, giving them a mashup remix, etc. Their gimmicks mesh so well. Over the past couple weeks they've also been mashing words together to describe themselves, which is a lot of fun. Last week was "Gorgeolicious", this week it was "Aerogigantic". 
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