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RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

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da2 is the only bad game they made lately

also what were the shoehorned gay characters in me2

people always accuse bioware of doing that but never explain

is this the "there must be a deep narrative reason or else its pandering" meme

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RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

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good

RottenK
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i can't wait to preorder Mass Effect: Andromeda, the new hit game from Bioware

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Endorph posted:

my issue with bioware gay stuff is that it's all pretty much written like an afterschool special about how gay people are cool and normal, and not actually written with gay people in mind

well you can't deny that that's a good fit for the maturity level of the target audience

also for what it's worth i am gay and i often read discussions in glbt online communities that are related to videogames and bioware characters are usually well recieved

meanwhile the people who complain that those characters are poorly written pandering have a ~40-50% chance to then try to tell me about ethics in bideogam jurnalisms

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

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man i love that word filter

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Sakurazuka posted:

Unironic use of hamburger helper nice

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Endorph posted:

i mean, define 'literal fanfiction writers' because if you wrote fanfiction when you were a teenager i dont think that really reflects on you as an adult anymore than my decade old myspace page about how good yellowcard is reflects on me

im a gay too, dude, and in the online community that exists inside my head bioware is pretty garbage

I think a lot of the good reception is just how hard up people, especially people who only play AAA western games, are for any sort of representation.

oh yeah that's very true

i like Dorian from Inquisition, for example, but i still groaned when he was revealed, though i'm sure that bioware meant well

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Phi230 posted:

bioware minority characters are mainly insulting because they're clearly tokens. And tokenism is bad because it basically feeds into "oh x character is a gay but he's one of the good ones" kind of poo poo

tokenism is also bad because it doesn't make the distinction that minorities are normal people

how are they tokens

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Endorph posted:

The thing about tokenism is that the solution isn't really 'don't put these characters into your games,' it's 'put in more.' You have a space opera with like, 150 characters with at least a few dialogue trees, you can have more than 3 gay dudes and a lesbian. Even if a character's not that well written they don't really feel like a token attempt to appear progressive if there's seven other gay dudes in the same game.

actually if you make a game with 150 characters and make 8 of them glbt idiots will cry at you about cultural marxism and give your game bad reviews on steam and metacritic

RottenK
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i hate it when token hetero characters bring up their sexuality without any narrative reason for it

drat sjws

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Phi230 posted:

sex scenes and hetero sexualization are also bad don't be immature

i know that

but people who are mad about minority representation tend to have no problems with this

they don't care about pandering they're just mad that people who are different from them are getting pandered to too

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also i agree with what you said in the stuff you added in edit

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Endorph posted:

then do it anyway bioware is one of the biggest companies in the world they can handle reddit getting mad

i know but i feel bad for small devs who get hit with this poo poo :(

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

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what's everyone watching, the giantbomb stream?

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

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When was this shown? Stopped watching after Bethesda's thing was over.

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CJacobs posted:

Why would you ever watch something on twitch without immediately closing the chat panel and never looking at it

And youtube chat is even worse

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