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a garbanzo bean
Jun 14, 2016

by Shine
Canadians seem really polite otherwise and in the us natives are mostly forgotten or pitied what's the difference

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cub
Sep 6, 2014

by Shine

a garbanzo bean posted:

Canadians seem really polite otherwise and in the us natives are mostly forgotten or pitied what's the difference

its a long story, but it has to do with them being banished into a wasteland after their empire was driven back into their bog.

social vegan
Nov 7, 2014



they never share their timbits

naem
May 29, 2011

cub posted:

its a long story, but it has to do with them being banished into a wasteland after their empire was driven back into their bog.

But enough about the British

cub
Sep 6, 2014

by Shine

naem posted:

But enough about the British

yeah, they suck poo poo

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Probably cause the natives lost their battle with Canada and Canadiens are annoyed that it happened in a time when totally wiping out an entire culture was semi-looked down upon, so now they have these remnants of a war they won hanging out in their county making them feel bad. Canadiens are jerks.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

Why do americans hate blacks so much

Americans seem pretty okay otherwise and in canada they're mostly forgotten or pitied what's the difference

cub
Sep 6, 2014

by Shine

Solice Kirsk posted:

Probably cause the natives lost their battle with Canada and Canadiens are annoyed that it happened in a time when totally wiping out an entire culture was semi-looked down upon, so now they have these remnants of a war they won hanging out in their county making them feel bad. Canadiens are jerks.

wow rude

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib

Windows 98
Nov 13, 2005

HTTP 400: Bad post
Americans also hate our natives. We just killed enough of them they hardly come up in topical conversation anymore and we banished them to 2 acre plots of lovely land.

a garbanzo bean
Jun 14, 2016

by Shine

Slightly Toasted posted:

Why do americans hate blacks so much

Americans seem pretty okay otherwise and in canada they're mostly forgotten or pitied what's the difference

they're lazy, do crimes and enabled hillary clinton to possibly be the next president

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

If you count them all, this sentence has exactly seventy-two characters.
When Canada became a nation, they signed a treaty saying that native bands get free funding from the government in exchange for most of the land. Status indians get nice things like free university (mostly), tax exemptions on reserves, and other random government benefits that would make a libertarian cream their pants.

What happened was the reserves became horribly mismanaged slums where corrupt chiefs hoard money and everyone else becomes drunk lazy criminals that take advantave of the system that Canadians pay for. Aboriginals account for about a quarter of all incarcerated Canadians, despite being about 4% of the population. The suicide rate is also six times higher than "normal". Canadians are sick of paying for natives to drink, do crimes, be lazy, receive government benefits that normal people don't get, and basically do nothing besides live of Canadian taxpayers.

Truth is, the system is massively misunderstood. Most natives are perfectly fine people, and many of them don't get the government benefits that most people expect them to get. But most reserves are slums (one has had a boil water advisory for 20 years), and the whole system breeds undereducated alcoholics that break poo poo, steal, murder, and Canadians are paying real money to keep the cycle going.

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jun 15, 2016

PallasAthene
Dec 6, 2010

Why, vixen, have you again set the gods by the ears in the pride and haughtiness of your heart?
I lived in Washington for a while and I was shocked to hear a lot of hatred for "natives/tribals/indians"in what I assumed was a pretty progressive area. When I asked a few people what was up, I couldn't get a straight answer other than "they are drunks, they steal, the pollute the environment and they're allowed to keep all the good salmon when nobody else is." My friend and I went fishing and it was weird to meet other people on the river who opened up conversations by asking if we were Indians and when we said no, they would say "Good, I hate Indians, they take all the good fish...and they're thieves and trash the place." It was pretty funny one time to have a tackle shop owner in Port Angeles go on an anti-native rant while standing in front of one of those traditional carved wood killer whales hanging on the wall.

tl:dr, maybe its a common attitude further up north.

fake edit: I think someone I met there once mentioned some treaties let the tribes ignore catch limits and fish in some places where other people can't.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
canadians are huge assholes

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Windows 98 posted:

Americans also hate our natives. We just killed enough of them they hardly come up in topical conversation anymore and we banished them to 2 acre plots of lovely land.

2 acres of phenomenal gaming action and rock bottom prices on smokes and liquor!!!

CrcleSqreSanchz
Aug 21, 2002

I'm feeling something new...something...I'm happy??!!
Every culture has a sect of people that they deem lower than them for whatever reasons.

I live in the racist capital of the country. It is loving hideous how Aboriginal people are treated.


Make no mistake, we're polite, but we have our skeletons in our closet.


EDIT: Also we are hella embarrassed/guilty over the Residential School thing, so it's better if Aboriginals go away and stop reminding us of how we used to beat/rape/torture/burn/kill Aboriginals in the name of the lord jesus christ for our white guilt.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Airborne Viking posted:

When Canada became a nation, they signed a treaty saying that native bands get free funding from the government in exchange for most of the land. Status indians get nice things like free university (mostly), tax exemptions on reserves, and other random government benefits that would make a libertarian cream their pants.

What happened was the reserves became horribly mismanaged slums where corrupt chiefs hoard money and everyone else becomes drunk lazy criminals that take advantave of the system that Canadians pay for. Aboriginals account for about a quarter of all incarcerated Canadians, despite being about 4% of the population. The suicide rate is also six times higher than "normal". Canadians are sick of paying for natives to drink, do crimes, be lazy, receive government benefits that normal people don't get, and basically do nothing besides live of Canadian taxpayers.

Truth is, the system is massively misunderstood. Most natives are perfectly fine people, and many of them don't get the government benefits that most people expect them to get. But most reserves are slums (one has had a boil water advisory for 20 years), and the whole system breeds undereducated alcoholics that break poo poo, steal, murder, and Canadians are paying real money to keep the cycle going.

you forgot that one of the conditions for a bunch of these perks is they have to stay in their designated native land which just so happens to be on the coast of jsmes bay surrounded by forest for 200 kilometers with a single dirt road leading to it

Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret
You can be like utah where the church took children from the reservations and fostered them out to good white mormon families, heck even my mother had a Navajo foster brother.

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!

Edgar posted:

You can be like utah where the church took children from the reservations and fostered them out to good white mormon families, heck even my mother had a Navajo foster brother.

yeah we did something really similar to that. it didn't work that well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

a garbanzo bean
Jun 14, 2016

by Shine
Pretty hilarious that we basically ruined the lives of an entire culture of people and now complain that they're hosed up

like just from my personal observations of people it doesn't surprise me at all but it's weird as gently caress if you think about it for too long

CrcleSqreSanchz
Aug 21, 2002

I'm feeling something new...something...I'm happy??!!

a garbanzo bean posted:

Pretty hilarious that we basically ruined the lives of an entire culture of people and now complain that they're hosed up

like just from my personal observations of people it doesn't surprise me at all but it's weird as gently caress if you think about it for too long

Yeah, I've been working with Aboriginals now for about a decade, and seeing the sheer desolation we have done to their culture and then expect them to "suck it up" and "become a positive member of our (white) community" is so loving sad.


Like you listen to their lives, and you realize you will never go through anything that hard in---poo poo I'm getting too serious here.


lol canada hates america for being racist but they just reflect what we really are lol

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice

Windows 98 posted:

Americans also hate our natives. We just killed enough of them they hardly come up in topical conversation anymore and we banished them to 2 acre plots of lovely land.

Eh, the Comanches had it coming. They were by far the most powerful and biggest assholes in N America before and after the arrival of European.

Too bad about the good tribes.

Descend to slumber
May 12, 2001



The short answer is that most Canadians are lovely racists.

The longer answer is that most Canadians are unaware of what the various treaties (there are a lot) signed with different bands entail, don't understand that they don't get a say in how those bands operate, and are in utter denial about the fact that the residential school system (and other prior attempts at regulating natives) count as an actual genocide.

There is also a general lack of knowledge of just how dire conditions are on reserves, combined with all the standard resentment that people generally reserve for those who are poorer than them.

It leads to a pretty toxic set of opinions, which are typically reinforced by the uncharacteristically conservative news media in Canada.

Ork of Fiction
Jul 22, 2013
All the Injuns I ever met from Canada were weirdo supremacist assholes who believe in tribal magic and poo poo like that. Teach their kids to be hostile idiots. Totally mutual disaffection.

Testikles
Feb 22, 2009

Iron Prince posted:

2 acres of phenomenal gaming action and rock bottom prices on smokes and liquor!!!

That's kind of the problem with it too that a lot of them can't even set up a casino or open up a duty free store if they wanted to. The shittiest options aren't even available. A lot of the reservations are in the middle of god damned nowhere. Not just hey it's a windswept area off the highway, but literally there is no plausible reason another human being would venture up that way. Like at least with some of the reservations in the United States there might be a decent sized town an hour away, or maybe it's off of a main road. There is zero business case for any of these places. Literally nothing but hundreds of miles of forests, swamp, or tundra. What Siberia was to the Russian Empire, so it is for them, but we sent them there as a punishment and pretended it was a gift.

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Sep 15, 2012

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a garbanzo bean
Jun 14, 2016

by Shine


lmao at this map of canadian highways. there's an entire province (i can only assume filled with natives)that isn't even grazed against

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


PallasAthene posted:

I lived in Washington for a while and I was shocked to hear a lot of hatred for "natives/tribals/indians"in what I assumed was a pretty progressive area. When I asked a few people what was up, I couldn't get a straight answer other than "they are drunks, they steal, the pollute the environment and they're allowed to keep all the good salmon when nobody else is." My friend and I went fishing and it was weird to meet other people on the river who opened up conversations by asking if we were Indians and when we said no, they would say "Good, I hate Indians, they take all the good fish...and they're thieves and trash the place." It was pretty funny one time to have a tackle shop owner in Port Angeles go on an anti-native rant while standing in front of one of those traditional carved wood killer whales hanging on the wall.

tl:dr, maybe its a common attitude further up north.

fake edit: I think someone I met there once mentioned some treaties let the tribes ignore catch limits and fish in some places where other people can't.

I was rather confused reading all the horrible messages on Washington state fish and game FB page. Turns out whitey really hates natives the closer they live to each other.

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

that thread about yellowknoife and the cities up north n poo poo with the booze smuggling mafia was cool as gently caress and i wish it kept going

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

LingcodKilla posted:

I was rather confused reading all the horrible messages on Washington state fish and game FB page. Turns out whitey really hates natives the closer they live to each other.

i was gonna ask why you were reading the washington state fish and game facebook page, but then i saw your av.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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a garbanzo bean posted:



lmao at this map of canadian highways. there's an entire province (i can only assume filled with natives)that isn't even grazed against

what, nunavut? it is half arctic islands and half literal tundra wilderness. it has a population of 30,000 and all of them need to be served by air

Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret
I picture majority of Canadians never venturing north for fear of natives and serial killers.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Edgar posted:

I picture majority of Canadians never venturing north for fear of natives and serial killers.

as a goon the only thing keeping me from going to the arctic and enjoying splendid solitude is the lovely internet connection

a garbanzo bean
Jun 14, 2016

by Shine

Fojar38 posted:

as a goon the only thing keeping me from going to the arctic and enjoying splendid solitude is the lovely internet connection

there are probably even places without internet at all

a whole buncha crows
May 8, 2003

WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

a garbanzo bean posted:

there are probably even places without internet at all

??? its a net you dummy you cant escape

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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a garbanzo bean posted:

there are probably even places without internet at all

i am pretty sure that the canadian arctic is covered by satellite but i dunno

Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Is there any country where the population doesn't treat their natives like poo poo? Maybe like somewhere in South America or something?

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

Dr. Eldarion posted:

Is there any country where the population doesn't treat their natives like poo poo? Maybe like somewhere in South America or something?

a country where the natives..................are... the population?!?!?!?1/

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

I'm a Canadian Injun. AMA

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Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret

littleorv posted:

I'm a Canadian Injun. AMA

How much percentage of the Chinese tribe do you have?

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