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if you dislike canadian moochers who are content to live their life on the dole have you considered: never coming to the maritimes
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The Canadian Residential Schools System was actually adapted from Catholic boarding schools in Ireland. When the Crown came over they thought hey, we it worked to civilize the savage Irish, maybe we can civilize these savage savages in the same way! What followed was years and years of forced separation of children as young as three from their patents into an unloving environment where sexual and physical abuse was not uncommon. Just google the little handcuffs they put on little indians before they were loaded into the back if a cow truck. Or youtube Elders talking about their experiences. Muffins for Granny and We Were Children are two great films on the subject. Will you hear about experiences that were not living hell? Yes. But, and there's always a but, there was an extraordinary amount of children who died at residential schools; be that from exposure when they tried to run away, abuse or illnesses from poor care. Because it was adapted from the Irish system, you see many of the same social issues mirrored, such as alcoholism, high rates of suicides, high crime, etc. Similar impacts of colonization are seen across the US, New Zealand, rural China, Australia. there's your fun fact for the day bye.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:14
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wow you have to be a special kind of idiot to learn from the Irish
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Jun 15, 2016 18:16
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Yeah it's pretty brilliant really you just roll in and strip them of any cultural/personal identity even to the point of assigning them new names and then even if they manage to integrate (there were actually tons of successful natives in the US, with businesses and everything) you can get the local sheriff to kick them the gently caress out so you can seize their property for your own (this happened frequently lol) and then stick them on some piece of poo poo land that is barely arable and consign them to a couple hundred years of crushing poverty. Then, on the other side of history, you can go 'look at those people, we try to help and they are just lazy alcoholic shitters  what can you do?'
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Jun 15, 2016 18:18
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Yes, white people do suck.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:19
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if the stupid indians would just bootstrap themselves out of insane cycles of abuse and poverty. oh well, I guess they are just lazy!!
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Jun 15, 2016 18:20
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Roylicious posted:Yeah it's pretty brilliant really you just roll in and strip them of any cultural/personal identity even to the point of assigning them new names and then even if they manage to integrate (there were actually tons of successful natives in the US, with businesses and everything) you can get the local sheriff to kick them the gently caress out so you can seize their property for your own (this happened frequently lol) and then stick them on some piece of poo poo land that is barely arable and consign them to a couple hundred years of crushing poverty. hey your posting is much improved good job another year or two and you won't be insufferable to read
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Jun 15, 2016 18:22
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Wrageowrapper posted:Maybe New Zealand? But that could just be Kiwi propaganda. They're a tricksy people those New Zealanders. nah new zealand is still pretty bad. Not quite as bad as Australia, Canada and US, but still their native population is pretty much poo poo on and also all crippling impoverished alcoholics.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:22
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Roylicious posted:Then, on the other side of history, you can go 'look at those people, we try to help and they are just lazy alcoholic shitters What would your solution to the native reservations' crippling poverty, alcohol and crime problems be? Because acknowledgement of previous atrocities and throwing money at them isn't working at all.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:25
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Plucky Brit posted:What would your solution to the native reservations' crippling poverty, alcohol and crime problems be? Because acknowledgement of previous atrocities and throwing money at them isn't working at all. go back in time and not ruin everything or stop complaining about a problem u created
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Jun 15, 2016 18:27
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Plucky Brit posted:What would your solution to the native reservations' crippling poverty, alcohol and crime problems be? Because acknowledgement of previous atrocities and throwing money at them isn't working at all. I'm not super familiar with Canada in particular but in the USA there's tons of corruption and fuckery happening still. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mesa_Peabody_Coal_controversy Wiki doesn't go into too much detail but basically the tribe hired a dude to negotiate this contract with Peabody energy, the dude neglected to mention he had a conflict of interest because Peabody was giving him $$$, the contract was laughably skewed in favor of Peabody energy, who then proceeded to destroy the environment to the point that there's no usable ground water there anymore and they have to drive dozens of miles to the nearest clean well and the tribe didn't even get much money out of the deal. Oh and also the mine itself is basically the only employment opportunity in the area and it gives people hella black lung and other diseases which no one in charge cares about but which are basically destroying able young men. So you know, stop doing poo poo like that. I dunno obviously it's a complex problem I was mostly just going lol at people who go 'well they're a bunch of alcoholics gently caress 'em!' like it is just some genetic flaw that causes it and that's that we've done all we can for them. Maybe tax incentives for business investment in those communities would be helpful, there's just 0 real opportunity for most of them which ofc then leads to high unemployment rates, high drug use and alcoholism, etc. Lichy posted:hey your posting is much improved good job Thank I'm trying 
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Jun 15, 2016 18:29
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i need these baskets back
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Jun 15, 2016 18:33
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it seems like they should have done a better job stopping all that bad stuff from happening to them, why didn't they?
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Jun 15, 2016 18:37
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a garbanzo bean posted:go back in time and not ruin everything hello let's blame the son for the fathers sins this is ok to do
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Jun 15, 2016 18:39
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Cantaloupe posted:it seems like they should have done a better job stopping all that bad stuff from happening to them, why didn't they? When the Spanish came they brought tons of diseases with them and since the natives had no resistances to them they basically wiped out 50-95% of the indigenous population (depending on what sources you are looking at) in the entire continent. When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock? That was already an Indian village with cleared lands and everything that was sitting empty as the people living there were wiped out already. You can read accounts of the settlers exploring the village and looting the graves and stuff if you don't believe me. Lichy posted:hello let's blame the son for the fathers sins this is ok to do It's not blaming you to simply say what happened in history. Just realize there are reasons other than 'natives are just inferior.' Roylicious fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 18:41
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Lichy posted:hello let's blame the son for the fathers sins this is ok to do I think if the sons are still sinning and also benefiting from their Dad's sins it's alright
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Jun 15, 2016 18:43
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dethkon posted:I think if the sons are still sinning and also benefiting from their Dad's sins it's alright That too.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:43
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one of the problems is that hardcore leftists in canada dont want the problem to be fixed, they just want to be able to scream, loving white males rawwwr whenever asked about natives and their situation in canada, it's intellectually dishonest but they get to feel smug and superior to their friends
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Jun 15, 2016 18:46
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Do it ironically posted:one of the problems is that hardcore leftists in canada dont want the problem to be fixed, they just want to be able to scream, loving white males rawwwr whenever asked about natives and their situation in canada, it's intellectually dishonest but they get to feel smug and superior to their friends That's kind of a general problem that leftists have, I've noticed. 
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Jun 15, 2016 18:47
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Plucky Brit posted:What would your solution to the native reservations' crippling poverty, alcohol and crime problems be? Because acknowledgement of previous atrocities and throwing money at them isn't working at all. The problem isn't that there's no money, it's that the money is being spent by the chiefs and the band on self interests instead of being used to build up the community, investing in local business and education and such. One of the biggest factors of substance abuse in the young generation is to escape the sheer boredom of living on the reserves. One of Harper's last edicts in office was to make all the reservation's finance books open to the public, so not only could the Canadian tax payers know how much of their money was going to the reservations, but also so the natives living there could see that the money was actually being used for their benefit and not going into the chief's pockets. When the Liberals took over, one of the very first things they did was repeal this for some loving reason and now everything is behind closed doors again. It's just a hopeless cycle at this point.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Cy1Knyu6A this dude is like native dmx, he's cool.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:07
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On a side note idk whether Indian or native is better. I've heard both. Some people have told me native is better, others have told me 'nah that's stupid call me an Indian at least that way the name is a testament to the stupidity of white people.' Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's why I just default to 'dudes' most of the time.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:09
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Roylicious posted:On a side note idk whether Indian or native is better. I've heard both. Some people have told me native is better, others have told me 'nah that's stupid call me an Indian at least that way the name is a testament to the stupidity of white people.' but then you get people that fall into the pit trap of saying "these brown dudes" it's all problematic af
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Jun 15, 2016 19:10
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a garbanzo bean posted:Canadians seem really polite otherwise and in the us natives are mostly forgotten or pitied what's the difference idgi either seems really mean and petty imo
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Jun 15, 2016 19:10
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they literally named our country that we love fuckin saying the name of so much w/a smug lovely look on the face
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Jun 15, 2016 19:11
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Roylicious posted:On a side note idk whether Indian or native is better. I've heard both. Some people have told me native is better, others have told me 'nah that's stupid call me an Indian at least that way the name is a testament to the stupidity of white people.'
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Jun 15, 2016 19:12
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Vakal posted:One of Harper's last edicts in office was to make all the reservation's finance books open to the public, so not only could the Canadian tax payers know how much of their money was going to the reservations, but also so the natives living there could see that Guess which party First Nations Chiefs promote?
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Jun 15, 2016 19:15
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Canada is a stupid name that's hard to enunciate who drunk
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Jun 15, 2016 19:17
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Why not just exterminate all the First Nation peoples? Like quit trying to duct tape the broken body of the cat you just hit with your car back together and just put it out of it's misery.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:23
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Seems like a really difficult one this....on the one hand you guys seem to be providing all the money that might be needed to help, but seems largely misappropriated by elders/unscrupulous individuals, on the other you can fly some non-native in there to manage everything under tight government control who will be completely hated by the local community and extreme liberals. Not an easy problem to solve.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:29
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Lichy posted:but then you get people that fall into the pit trap of saying "these brown dudes" I'm a problem-addict, heed my words.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:32
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If you think about it, though their cultural identity is dying a bunch and losing at everything all while being millennia behind the curve in almost every aspect. I'd say they're doing just fine on keeping that. Also, if you sad brained losers feel this bad for natives, I suggest playing casino games you don't understand with dad's credit card.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:41
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Airborne Viking posted:
And for some reason leftist in america want to introduce this type of free rides and not just for natives, but for the entire population lol as native, living in the states, the Canadian natives also disgust me
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Jun 15, 2016 19:58
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Canadians are pretty loving hilarious The world's worst people disguised as its best
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Jun 15, 2016 20:15
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come on man quebec isn't that bad (it is)
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Snatch Duster posted:And for some reason leftist in america want to introduce this type of free rides and not just for natives, but for the entire population lol Yeah, every Native I know who doesn't live on a reservation hates the ones who still do for the poo poo you just mentioned. A good half of our fire fighters and deputies out here are Apache or Tohono O'odham. They're pretty great to hang out with
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Jun 15, 2016 20:16
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Sounds a lot like middle class and wealthy black people hating those still left in the ghetto. Or people that come from poor countries to a wealthier one. FYGM. Because you being lucky enough to be in the 5% that escape means everyone can do it.
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crabcakes66 posted:Sounds a lot like middle class and wealthy black people hating those still left in the ghetto. Or people that come from poor countries to a wealthier one. Or you know, lovely cultures that resent those who apply themselves and escape that bullshit claiming it's more luck/uncle tom/etc than hard work are infact, lovely cultures. The only person in your life you ever have control over is yourself, if you're willing to forsake that because you lack the gumption to make it better for you and yours, well then I supposeyou probably shouldn't expect anyone else to do it for you
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Jun 15, 2016 20:36
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Booblord Zagats posted:Or you know, lovely cultures that resent those who apply themselves and escape that bullshit claiming it's more luck/uncle tom/etc than hard work are infact, lovely cultures. Thanks for the bootstrap lecture. Eat poo poo.
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Why can't you acknowledge that it takes hard work and dedication to escape poverty while at the same time acknowledging that it is true that even if you work real hard you might still die broke and in debt? Sorry but you can try real hard and work 100 hours a week and still be hosed, doesn't mean you shouldn't try though.
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