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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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 Well here we are again, not even a full two years in and we are already pissed off beyond measure. All thanks to these Fanny Bawbags.    We are looking at a massive, massive loving mess made by racists, idiots and right-wingers who had no idea what the gently caress they were doing. Now as a result right-wing nationalism in the rest of the UK is on the rise and they are showing their discontent towards anything pro-european which is really worrying for many in the Island. Markets are having a seizure and no one is interested in investing in the UK as of right now at this moment in time. Places which relyed heavily on EU Subsidies voted Leave and are now paying the price of their actions as they realise they just lost all that money that they were sent for a reason. People are regreting their decision and even went and signed a petition to have another EU referendum in the UK parliament website. But alas it won't count for much now that the damage has started and won't be stopping for sometime. So where does Scotland stand in all of this? Well... Polls indicate that thanks to the result. People are pissed and that Pro-EU No Voters are quickly changing their stance to Yes as a result and it's not hard to see why. https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506899714923843584 Amongst other things that convinced no Voters was the Currency question which the pound is now taking the biggest pounding of it's lifetime. The Economy was another thing and now this result has pretty much made the Economy most likely fall back into the shitter. Three major questions that have convinced no voters have now been crushed into dust in the wake of this mess. Not only that but we are also possibly going to be dealing with a major brain-drain which Scotland really dosen't need at this moment in time. Polls coming around favour Scottish Indepedence between 52% at the lowest to 65% at the highest. It might increase depending on party stances regarding this issue. Emotions are high at the moment and things are very uncertain for the UK as a whole. Another issue is that devolved parliaments have the right to veto the exit of the EU which would put many leave supporters into most likely causing riots and while it's still needs to be clairfied, that Westminister can disregard what the Parliaments think (Which is most likely going to lead to The Troubles levels of poo poo again.) and still go ahead with Brexit. The Scottish Sectuary has comfirmed that Scotland is entitled to another Referendum and Nicola Sturgeon has already made claim that it's very likely. This will possibly be the last choice it will make regarding the UK and the EU for a long, long time. Current Scottish Parliament party stances Scottish National Party's Current Mood  I don't think we need an in-depth description on what's going on for them. The SNP are pretty much at a point where they are the most justified and reasonable of the UK parties which is really ironic to the point that people are just bewildered on how a Party that is now going to get a second indepedence referendum in breaking up the union is the most reasonable of the lot. Tories have pretty much shat the bed and Labour are having their shitfest as well so it's pretty much the SNP who are coming out as reasonable towards Pro-EU Brits and EU nationals. And all they had to do was do nothing. Scottish Labour's Current Mood  Right now I say they are still deciding on what they are doing. The Scottish Labour’s executive committee opened up the prospect of eventually endorsing independence after agreeing to check and consider the available options with Scotland in the UK. Kezia Dugdale has no doubt has stuff in her mind. She did say she would support another Indyref and possibly indepedence a while ago if Scotland were forced out of the EU by the rest of the UK which has just happened. No idea where she and Slabour stand at the moment so keep an eye out for this one as it depends on the unions, parliamentarians and members. Scottish Lib Dems Current Mood  Are in talks alongside the SNP in trying to keep Scotland in the EU but without resorting to Indepedence but it appears to be a moot point as the EU have stated they won't allow a country part of the UK to join the EU. Right now it's up in the air where they are going but it's expected for them to switch towards Yes for Indepedence if Scotland does join the EU without major problems as their voters and members base appears to be more for keeping the EU rather then the UK. This isn't entirely surprising considering Liberial Democrats are the most europhile of the parties right next to the SNP. The Scottish Lib Dems would do anything to resurge and this appears to be a great opportunity. Ruth Davidson Party's Current Mood  Ruth Davidson is not happy and she has every right to be. Things were going well for her and now the UK Tories have made such a mess that she is likely to split the Scottish Tory Party from the Main UK one if Boris is elected as UK Leader. She's for staying at the UK at this moment but that's because her core party is full of traditional rural people and stentch unionists. Though who knows what the opinion of farmers are going to feel when their EU subsidies are hosed as they are struggling already. Don't expect them to go Indy. Scottish Greens Current Mood  Pretty much in the same boat as the SNP in terms of supporting another Indy Ref and being Pro-EU. Not much to write up other then they are more reasonable then the SNP are in terms of supporting indepedence but right now I think they are just as pissed as everyone is. Parties not in Parliament that have made their stance RISE: Supporting a Indyref and Indepedence due to increasing anti-migrant racism and xenophobia as well as wanting to keep in Europe to try along with others to make it more democratic and anti-austerity. Important Figures that changed their stance - Feel free to mention anyone that's changed their mind. No to Yes
Yes to No Important Figures outside of Scotland Supportive
Too many to list at this moment in time FAQ 1. What the gently caress is going on?! Hell if I know. You're watching a Ex-Empire set itself alight with a ballot and pen. Pretty impressive I have to say so myself. 2. Would I be able to get Scottish Citizenship if it goes Indy? If you are living in Scotland as of right now till the end of the referendum (assuming it's a yes), you will automatically get Scottish citizenship as we are all UK citizens at this current moment in time. This was mentioned in the first Indyref in the White Paper and I don't see why it would change now. EU nationals I imagine would be the same if Scotland is joining the EU as they would still be considered UK citizens. We have no idea what it's going to be like for those outside the UK & EU though so keep an eye out for that. 3. Won't Spain Veto a Indy Scotland because of Catalonia? Ehh...maybe, they did mention that if it wasn't a legitmate referendum they would veto it but the last one was. But now I don't think it's going to happen. Spain are underway in a election in the 26th of June which is right now and it's likely possible that the Podemos could lead a majority coalition of the Left in Spain and kick the People's Party out who are conservative and were the ones to threaten veto (Update: Another loving deadlock; another loving election would soon come too). There is also the problem with the fishing that Spain does in the northern waters which would also be used against them. They have also said they want to have co-op soverignty with Gibraltar (And god knows what will happen if the UK refuses.) Podemos & the other parties would most likely be supportive from the looks of it. Honestly who knows at this point with Spain. Spain's trying to keep it's states together but I doubt they be stupid enough to burn a bridge if Scotland does go the independence way. I think it's mostly bluff talk to keep things as it is and Spain is no way going to give Catalonia a legit referendum. Plus if it's accuarte. Spain's sole veto is not enough to stop us from joining in the Article 50 Libson Treaty if they really felt they wanted to spite us for little reason. 4. Would the Referendum be stopped if Britain stop the progress with Brexit and the EU keeps them? God knows at this point and he's loving Kingsley  The damage has been done and will only increase from here as the EU and UK are still experincing the effect that this referendum has had. The general feeling is that Jean-Claude Juncker has stated they want the UK to activate Article 50 and the EU may be pissed enough that they won't have informal brexit talks with them until they activate Article 50 which is a one-way ticket out and no going back. Along with the infighting of the Tory and Labour party at this current time and the rising increase of xenophobia and racism. It will take a miracle to some how stop all this. (Update: All Tory candiates are behind Brexit so it's certain) Important Threads related to this nightmare. ScotPol - Previous Thread for Scottish Politics between the First and Second Referendum. The First Referendum Another Referendum thread after the first one was locked - Threads for the First Referendum. June UKMT - Less united then the Scotpol Thread. The EU Referendum reactions and responces UK-wide are here. RESERVED - For possible Northern Ireland Unification Referendum What not to do Don't link Wings over Scotland Articles - The man who writes them is toxic and disgusting. Look at the previous threads to see why. Don't start up No True Scotsman nonsense poo poo when referring to Posters - It's getting old and right now we don't need it. .P.S. You got two days to choose a thread title in the poll above.  The Calm before the Storm has ended and we are now in the Eye of the Cyclone. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 23:21
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What poll?
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Jun 26, 2016 23:22
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Pissflaps posted:What poll? That poll.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:25
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My vote was a protest vote and I hope it doesn't actually win.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:30
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I still stand by my highly principled stand that this thread is in fact Scotpol The Fourth. Third, could be argued. This is the hill I will die on.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:33
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Acaila posted:Was the other poll not 59/41? Other poll was 65 Y/35 N if we aren't including don't knows.
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Jun 27, 2016 00:09
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What's with the SNP and picking leaders named after fish
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Jun 27, 2016 00:21
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1stGear posted:What's with the SNP and picking leaders named after fish We're actually infiltrated by fishmen a la Innsmouth.
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Jun 27, 2016 02:02
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Tildryn posted:We're actually infiltrated by fishmen a la Innsmouth. Sounds Scottish enough to be true.
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Jun 27, 2016 02:20
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You missed a trick by not calling it Scotpoll.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:15
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Coohoolin posted:You missed a trick by not calling it Scotpoll. I wrote this post for over 4-6 hours checking information and poo poo. I just wanted it done.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:31
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I'm glad you got the gif of our new PM crippling a Japanese schoolboy in there. It's a good OP.
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Jun 27, 2016 10:10
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Based on the last option for thread titles, Nigel Farrage is going to blow up Westminster and rule as Lord Protector in the ruins of London.
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Jun 27, 2016 11:52
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Extreme0 posted:Against Wtf? How can someone be for national self-determination and independence from a larger union in one case and then oppose it in another? Like, what reasons do they have for believing that Scotland should remain in the UK that don't conflict with their reasons for the UK leaving the EU? Apart from them just being vicious, self-interested dumb cunts of course?
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Jun 27, 2016 11:53
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Blurred posted:Wtf? How can someone be for national self-determination and independence from a larger union in one case and then oppose it in another? Like, what reasons do they have for believing that Scotland should remain in the UK that don't conflict with their reasons for the UK leaving the EU? Apart from them just being vicious, self-interested dumb cunts of course?
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Jun 27, 2016 11:55
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Writing in Indyref II: EUlectric boogaloo
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Jun 27, 2016 12:09
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Blurred posted:Wtf? How can someone be for national self-determination and independence from a larger union in one case and then oppose it in another? Like, what reasons do they have for believing that Scotland should remain in the UK that don't conflict with their reasons for the UK leaving the EU? Apart from them just being vicious, self-interested dumb cunts of course? State's Rights. (Not Racist.)
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Jun 27, 2016 12:18
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You could argue that the Scots had their chance and voted to stay in, tying them to the destiny of the UK.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:23
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Breath Ray posted:You could argue that the Scots had their chance and voted to stay in, tying them to the destiny of the UK. Everything changed when the fire nation attacked.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:30
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Breath Ray posted:You could argue that the Scots had their chance and voted to stay in, tying them to the destiny of the UK. You certainly could. Just like the UK voted to join the EU, forever joining that great country to the Union.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:31
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Henry McLeish is more or less a No to Yes atm.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:35
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big scary monsters posted:You certainly could. Just like the UK voted to join the EU, forever joining that great country to the Union. That was a while ago tbf
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Jun 27, 2016 12:41
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Stopped reading Scotpol this time last year, got 5k posts to catch up on.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:48
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tithin posted:Stopped reading Scotpol this time last year, got 5k posts to catch up on. Not really worth it.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:49
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Preety sure that Pretty is spelled with two t's and one E, OP
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Jun 27, 2016 12:49
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According to Common Space, a spokesperson for Juncker has confirmed he'll be meeting with Scottish representatives soon. EDIT: Ok, found the original tweet this is based on, seems to just be saying that he'll meet with Scottish representatives whenever they want, rather than putting a timescale on it. baronvonsabre fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 12:50
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My suggestion is currently leading the polling for thread title. Is that enough to get me Scottish citizenship should you go independent?
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Jun 27, 2016 12:52
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forkboy84 posted:Not really worth it. Probably, when I started reading it last night it was you and Coohoolin talking about LFI votes at a pub or some stuff. I stopped paying attention and went back to playing Invisible inc. Gotta admit, watching this internationally has blown my mind, maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion (Very possible!) but it definitely seems like I'm witnessing the end of the union in my lifetime.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:53
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baronvonsabre posted:According to Common Space, a spokesperson for Juncker has confirmed he'll be meeting with Scottish representatives soon. What what what?
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Jun 27, 2016 12:54
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tithin posted:Probably, when I started reading it last night it was you and Coohoolin talking about LFI votes at a pub or some stuff. I stopped paying attention and went back to playing Invisible inc. That's a fair summary. Very occasionally someone will say something outlandishly stupid and everyone jumps on them, but it never gets exciting.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:56
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:What what what?
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Jun 27, 2016 12:57
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:What what what? Yeah, that's what I thought too, but see the edited post - they're just saying he's open to meet rather than that they are meeting soon. Here's the tweet Common Space were referring to. Worth saying as well that this was apparently said by Margaritis Schina, the Chief EU Commission spokesperson, not just some anonymous aide.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:59
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Extreme0 posted:Scottish National Party's Current Mood 
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Jun 27, 2016 13:00
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Scotpoll II: the Auld Dalliance
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Jun 27, 2016 13:04
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baronvonsabre posted:Yeah, that's what I thought too, but see the edited post - they're just saying he's open to meet rather than that they are meeting soon. Here's the tweet Common Space were referring to. Worth saying as well that this was apparently said by Margaritis Schina, the Chief EU Commission spokesperson, not just some anonymous aide. Don't they think meeting with representatives of a constituent nation of a larger sovereign country who hosed off to all hells is a dumb move politically?
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Jun 27, 2016 13:07
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Doesn't the PP winning in Spain fucks things up a bit?
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Jun 27, 2016 13:08
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Kurtofan posted:Scotpoll II: the Auld Dalliance I like this one
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Jun 27, 2016 13:19
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Don't they think meeting with representatives of a constituent nation of a larger sovereign country who hosed off to all hells is a dumb move politically? I actually think it's quite clever. At the moment the EU needs to look magnanimous about Brexit - coming down hard on the UK like they did with Greece is a PR disaster that it probably won't survive. By just suggesting to meet with leaders and work out a solution for everyone, it makes them look good since it appears they're trying to respect the democratic wishes of both Scotland and rUK, while also cementing the narrative about England and Wales being full of knuckle-dragging racists that have no idea what they're doing, dragging Scotland back into the dark ages and plunging Europe into chaos because of their idiocy. It allows them and the SNP to shape the narrative in a way that the Tories/Labour can't because they're too busy fighting each other. baronvonsabre fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 13:20
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baronvonsabre posted:the Tories/Labour can't because they're too busy fighting each other. In labour's case I think you mean "fighting themselves."
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Jun 27, 2016 13:27
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Yeah, that is what I meant. And to be fair, the Tories are doing the same, they just have the decency to stab each other behind closed doors rather than in public
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Jun 27, 2016 13:29
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