Warmachine & Hordes Thread Mk3: The Age of Cygnar Has Both Points and Rules

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Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Playing Cygnar tonight ( I'm assuming one of the Caines) and want to try Helyanna. How does this look? Slightly worried about lack of shield guard.

Magister Helynna - WJ: +30
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Discordia - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Hypnos - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
- Manticore - PC: 14
- Manticore - PC: 14

Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 4

Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18
- Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
Heavy Rifle Team - PC: 4

I considered a Phoenix over Hypnos but Ghost shot and the larger AOE felt useful. Worried the list is a tad pillow fisted though

# ¿ Jun 30, 2016 07:43

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 21:11

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GEMorris posted:

I'd put manticore and daemon in "unplayable trash" tier, with Sphinx, Hydra, Hypnos and Phoenix in "situationally useful" tier, Banshee, Discordia, and Imperatus are all "universally useful" tier.

As for how many you need, it depends on if you want to run double Hydras with Kaelyssa or not, I'm going to assume no. And I'm also only talking about heavies here.

With all that said, you need:

Two magnetized Vyre jacks (with the parts to run Sphinx, Banshee, Hypnos, no doubles required)

Imperatus

Discordia (this can be magnetized to be disco/Hydra without a TON of trouble, bit I really prefer a dedicated disco as I run him in almost every list)

Phoenix (laughably skippable these days if you don't run Helynna or certain Rahn lists. Magnetizing between Phoenix and Disco is a world of hurt imo).

So a total of 5 unless you want double Hydra with Kae, in that case 6.

I tried Hypnos with Helyanna instead of the Phoenix and it got serious work done. The bigger AOE of the gun was useful and Ghost Shot won me the game. Downside is it's slightly slower than Phoenix but Rhythm of War helps with that. Another downside is lack of 2 inch melee.

I'm still trying to work out what Jacks she needs. Phoenix/Hypnos and Discordia feel like a definite. Feel like I need a melee beater with 2 inch melee as I ran 2 Manticores with her and having no Jacks with 2inch felt uncomfortable. Toying with Imperatus or even Hyperion. Just have to make sure I've got enough points for Sentinels +UA. They are amazing with her.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 09:13

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GoodBee posted:

Did he just send a list of what he wanted to foam up?

That's what I did and they advised me accordingly. I love KR, this might also be because I won one of their rucksacks at Salute, so I'm a tad biased.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 09:15

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GEMorris posted:

This is untested, but where I plan on starting with her.

War Room Army

Retribution of Scyrah - Helynna

Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army

Magister Helynna - WJ: +30
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Imperatus - PC: 22 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)
- Discordia - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8)
- Phoenix - PC: 18
- Chimera - PC: 8
- Aspis - PC: 6

Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2

Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18
- Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1

Why the Chimera? Why not a Griffon?

That looks very similar to a list intend on trying this week.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 16:06

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GEMorris posted:

Helynna has a very arcable spell, the Chimera hits harder for a single attack, and the Chimera can disengage itself. The only thing Griffons are bringing her is pathfinder, imo, but I need to get it on the table to be sure.

Sure but do you think it warrants 2 arc nodes?

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 23:31

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susan posted:

I dunno. Ossyan feels like he could be a problem.

Leave my Bae alone you monster.

Thinking of trying this list this week.

Lord Arcanist Ossyan - WJ: +28
- Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Hypnos - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)

Arcantrik Force Generator - PC: 19

Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Houseguard Thane - PC: 4
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2

Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9
Houseguard Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13
- Houseguard Halberdier Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
Heavy Rifle Team - Leader & Grunt: 4
House Vyre Electromancers - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8

A bit different from my Mk2 Ossy list, having never played the Space Cricket before or the Electromancers. Usually the MHSF are my go to ranged unit with Ossyan but I'm rethinking it. List is designed to have some answer to stealth lists with the Thane and HRT plus a plethora of AOEs.

# ¿ Jul 5, 2016 11:13

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Khisanth Magus posted:

Played a game tonight against one of the better players in our area, who I've had lots of close games with in the past. He had Old witch with behemoth, winterguard infantry, joe, eiryss1, alton ashley, Gormon, Rheinholt, another couple solos, some khador mage guys, sharpshooters + sharpshooters solo...and I think that was pretty much it?

I played what I'm calling "What I threw together using the models I own" Helynna list:

Helynna
-Manticore
-Chimera
-Banshee
-Imperatus
Sentinels + UA + Soulless
Scyir
3x Arcanists
Eiryss2

Game got off to a decent start, despite it being yet another game against models that just murder my sentinels without caring about their armor. First round just consisted of me running forward, him moving up a bit and killing some sentinels with his snipers and shooting my jacks to not much good with behemoth(deceleration is good!). He had moved some stuff a bit too far forward, not taking full advantage of premeasuring, and my sentinels were able to charge Eiryss and the sniper solo, killing both, and running another to engage 3 of the sharpshooters. I was able to run the chimera forward to arc and devestation onto alton ashley, missing but killing him with the blast damage. Hurt Gormon and Rheinholt with it, but didn't kill either. I knocked behemoth down with the banshee and then disrupted it with Eiryss, meaning he couldn't shake the knockdown.

Old witch came up and killed a bunch of sentinels, freeing up the sharpshooters to finish off all but the UA and Scyir. He made a mistake during his maintanance phase and apparitioned behemoth slightly forward, then during its activation sacrificed movement and just shot a couple times at my jacks, again not doing much. He did a bunch of damage to the chimera and took out its generator and arc node with shooting from his winterguard and a solo. He also feated.

I feated and arced hand of destruction through the now functional chimera onto behemoth, as he accidently put him in charge range of the Banshee. Concentrated power then charge. Could only get my main sword to him, but exactly scrapped him. Imperatus killed a rocketeer to set 5 winterguard on fire with flame burst. Manticore just killed 3 winterguard. At this point he was pretty much on the ropes. And then I made a fatal mistake and used rhythm of war to move my warjacks up further, which also ended up spreading them out more. I provided just enough of a hole for scrapjack to run through and just get close enough that old witch could teleport close enough to my caster to be able to attack. He needed 7s to hit, and missed his first 2, so he started boosting to hit, and only killed me due to a couple real good damage rolls.

Nice report.

Ive only got one game in with Helyanna and was facing Cygnar with a fair amount of guns. I put Deflection up on first 2 turns and Feated second turn (I was first player). Armour 25 Sentinels take some killing. I think he took 1 out ( which was perfect to trigger Vengeance) before they clattered into his gun line.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 08:08

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rydiafan posted:

Full lists are here, if you want them: http://ringdevc.w14.wh-2.com/atc/StaticEvents/WiTC%20Year%201teams.html

Thanks. Very interesting. Good to see a few other Ret players are thinking of a Kaelysaa+Helyanna pairing.

Talking of Helyanna I'm now 5-0 with her. She's taken out Nemo1, Stryker1, Denny1,Thagrosh1 and Ossrum.

Girls got serious game.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2016 07:34

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In celebration of my newfound love Helyanna, here's the (painted part) of my undefeated 75 point list.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2016 10:41

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rkajdi posted:

I'm critical as hell about models, and for the larger stuff like jacks, beasts, or larger infantry it's not too bad. My biggest issues have been human sized resin plastic infantry (like the ones you'd get from the new 2 player sets) and the resin/metal combo kits. The plastic jacks take a little time to clean up but aren't bad at all in general.

Awesome looking. For the rest of your list, is it infantry, solos, or jacks? I'm having a hard time coming up with lists that aren't very stilted one way or the other in Ret. My journeyman list for Ret looks to only have a battle mage unit and electromancers for units and lots of jacks and solos. I can't help but feel like I need more infantry there somewhere.

Currently unbeaten with this list. It's really strong into shooting. Even a Ossrum and Earthbreaker list barely dented it last night.

Magister Helynna - WJ: +30
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Discordia - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Imperatus - PC: 22 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
- Chimera - PC: 8
- Banshee - PC: 18

Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Soulless Voidtracer - PC: 2

Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18
- Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
Heavy Rifle Team - Leader & Grunt: 4

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# ¿ Jul 16, 2016 12:42

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rkajdi posted:

Do you ever feel like only having one proper unit puts you at a disadvantage? Maybe it's that I'm coming over from Skorne (and maybe partially that I was dumb and bought a bunch of units early) but I feel naked without 2-3 units.

In Mk2 I would have (long time Ret player) but not so far in Mk3.

The Sentinels are incredibly durable, usually with Deflection up and Kinetic Field from Discordia, you have them moving forward at armour 21. Then with their mini feat and Helyanna feating they are at Arm 27 vs shooting, theres very little thats going through that. In fact soemtimes its almost too good as you then cant trigger Vengeance as nothing dies. In all the games Ive played, the only time Ive lost more than half my Sentinels has been Vs Stalker Deathstriders with the auto 1 damage they pull off. Last night Vs Ossrum, I was up against the Earthbreaker, 5 Gunbunnies and a Driller, and the only casualties I lost all game were 5 Sentinels to melee from the Horgenhold Forge Guard and a Driller, and a Chimera from shooting that I had stupidly thrown away to pull off an ill advised Obliteration. My 3 heavies were barely scratched. By the time I had assassinated his caster with a charge from my Sentinels, he had a half wrecked Earthbreaker, no jacks, and a few support solos.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2016 15:09

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Picked up the old mk2 Khador battlebox super cheap this weekend. Any advice how to expand it? I know nothing about Khador other than I played against Karchev and 7 Beserkers last night and holy poo poo is Behemoth terrifying.

Saying that Elara2 won with a janky apparition-boundless charge- teleport onto the enemy flag to win 5-0.

Someone please sell me Elara2. I will do sex stuff.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 07:42

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Khisanth Magus posted:

You don't have PMs it doesn't look like, but my FLGS picked up 1 copy of most of the limited edition boxes at gencon, so if you are really interested let me know and I will see if he still has the ret one Tuesday

I am genuinely interested. I live in the uk though so not sure if you are able to post it over here

# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 12:45

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Khisanth Magus posted:

The cost to mail it would be pretty absurd, about $50 from what I am seeing on USPS's web site.

That's absurd. Ok dream over. Thanks for looking.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 18:52

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What could I add to a Sorsha 1 battlebox to make a fun 75point list. I'm thinking Behemoth, Eliminators and Rifle Corp? Anything else work?

# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 18:59

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Yeah those were my thoughts. Glad to know I was on right track

# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 19:13

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I faced a Karchev list with 7 Bezerkers, Behemoth and a Destroyer on Sunday. poo poo looked intimidating.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 20:35

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S.J. posted:

Good. Drink in their tears.

Agreed. Im also loving all the Retribroken salt thats being thrown about.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 20:41

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Switched back to Kaelyssa to take on a Ossrum force using the Galleon under the Jr warcaster. Kaelyssa is loving amazing. Won 5-0 on scenario. Refuge in Discordia is loving amazing. Discordia is loving amazing.

Here's the list I was using. I'm considering dropping the 2 Manticores and 2 MHaS to swap in Phoenix and Banshee. Feel like I need a arc node to move Refuge about mainly between Disco and Eiryss. Downside of this is 2 Manticores provide a lot of covering fire for dealing with higher Def Low arm infantry. This is paired with a Helyanna Sentinel Heavy Jack brick.

Kaelyssa, The Night's Whisper - WJ: +29
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Discordia - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Manticore - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
- Manticore - PC: 14

Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 7
Ghost Sniper - PC: 3
Ghost Sniper - PC: 3
Houseguard Thane - PC: 4
Soulless Voidtracer - PC: 2
Mage Hunter Assassin - PC: 4
Mage Hunter Assassin - PC: 4

Houseguard Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13
- Houseguard Halberdier Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
Heavy Rifle Team - Leader & Grunt: 4

# ¿ Aug 21, 2016 09:31

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AnElegantPeacock posted:

This is hearsay so don't take it as gospel but I heard that PP did not do a reprint of their full range before MK3. I have heard many conspiracy theories about why they didnt do a reprint but they're all very "PP is turning into GW!" and not worth repeating.

I can only speak for the UK but the issue seems to be the importers can't get the new cards to go with their current stock of models. When my LGS made an order they were told some items were unavailable but when they stipulated they were happy to receive the models without the mk3 cards the order was supplied

# ¿ Aug 26, 2016 13:56

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GoodBee posted:

I think this is it.

Ossram
Driller
Gunner x2
Blaster

Seems like a good place to start getting your dwarf on in MKIII.

I don't much care for the dwarfs so I can't really comment on it. I'm all about the Resistance and my brother goes Kingmaker.

My mates running that at our Journeyman. Bulldoze is ridiculously good at BB level for clearing scoring zones.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 07:50

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Going to try this tonight

War Room Army

Retribution of Scyrah - Rahn theme

Theme: Forges of War
75 / 75 Army

Effigy of Valor - Steamroller Objective

Adeptis Rahn - WJ: +26
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 0
- Chimera - PC: 8
- Discordia - PC: 18
- Helios - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 26)
- Chimera - PC: 8

House Shyeel Artificer - PC: 0
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 4
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 4
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2

House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10

THEME: Forges of War
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GENERATED : 01/13/2017 07:26:07
BUILD ID : 2034.17-01-07

# ¿ Jan 13, 2017 08:26

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Serotonin posted:

Going to try this tonight

War Room Army

Retribution of Scyrah - Rahn theme

Theme: Forges of War
75 / 75 Army

Effigy of Valor - Steamroller Objective

Adeptis Rahn - WJ: +26
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 0
- Chimera - PC: 8
- Discordia - PC: 18
- Helios - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 26)
- Chimera - PC: 8

House Shyeel Artificer - PC: 0
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 4
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 4
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2

House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10

THEME: Forges of War
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GENERATED : 01/13/2017 07:26:07
BUILD ID : 2034.17-01-07

Won my first game top of 2 with an assassination and lost second after a hard slog that saw me trying to hang on for the final control point to win but saw Rahman assassinated. List was fun but super vulnerable to magic spray attacks, bloody Cephalyx. I don't think I'd use the theme with Rahn ordinarily.

eVyros on the other hand...

# ¿ Jan 14, 2017 11:23

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!Klams posted:

Everything is loving poo poo and I'm not really sure how it's possible to make it through a day at the moment, but I'm looking forward to smogcon

Smogcon is going to own. Mind you I've only played like 3 games in the last 3 months so I'm decidedly rusty. Lucky I'm not signed up for any tournaments.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2017 09:00

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gently caress me, and I was excited at the prospect of Elara2 in June.

Ret Xmas!

# ¿ Mar 12, 2017 08:37

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 21:11

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koreban posted:

Everything WMH being about jamspam and themes is turning more than a few people off. I've seen several people unloading foam only to have Cygnar drop 2x storm cav on the table just to turn around and say "forget it, you win. Thanks. GG." and walk out the shop.

They sound like dicks

# ¿ Mar 22, 2017 08:39

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