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LemonDrizzle posted:also, Alistair Campbell: not all bad, really! Says something about how insane the country is at the moment that this sort of language now seems reasonable and appropriate. E: not that it isn't. It's just that we're seeing the slick PR mask slip now and everybody is panicking.
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Oh dear clone posted:Because it's not like other forms of government ever make bad decisions. Plebiscites were actually a favored tool of fascist regimes. For example, in a move with absolutely no parallels with recent events, in 1933 they held one on leaving the League of Nations. In general, 'one man, one vote, once' is not what most people mean by democracy. What it does mean is you have to persuade people to change their mind, not ignore them. Moving the option polls by >4% over the course of next yearm or two really doesn't sound impossible.
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What's everybody's guerrilla codename going to be when the UKIP Gestapo forces the UKMT underground? Mine's going to be "Facundo". I'll leave a dead drop of next week's shitposts under the railway bridge at midnight 
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:Corbyn breaths in public area. Did you know you can catch many diseases through airborne transmission? The NHS is already struggling and Corbyn is freely and willingly spreading disease. Corbyn refuses to apologies for this. Ergo we are justified in printing the headline "Corbyn calls for NHS to be dismantled". Did you know, he also breathes the same air as Islamic extremist hate preachers, I.e. he shares a platform?
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Aliquid posted:so what's the power play here? did hardliners not think boris would pull the trigger? is gove expected to be the one to initiate article 50? is a new election explicitly implied in a May victory? I think May's specifically said no election until 2020.
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Aliquid posted:so what's the power play here? did hardliners not think boris would pull the trigger? is gove expected to be the one to initiate article 50? is a new election explicitly implied in a May victory?
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Baron Corbyn posted:I think May's specifically said no election until 2020. then what the gently caress does she do with the majority of the electorate? is she assuming brexiters are too old and fat to riot in the streets?
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Aliquid posted:then what the gently caress does she do with the majority of the electorate? is she assuming brexiters are too old and fat to riot in the streets? She's going to use article 50
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Aliquid posted:then what the gently caress does she do with the majority of the electorate? is she assuming brexiters are too old and fat to riot in the streets? They'll have died of old age by 2020.
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Baron Corbyn posted:She's going to use article 50 i would expect this from gove as a last resort but this would be nuclear, right?
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Grouchio posted:How does it feel Brits, after having mocked us mercilessly for electing Bush and idiocracy that followed, to now have earned your Bush moment with Brexit, eh? Now you'll get a taste of our bitter medicine from last decade, being even with us and all. May neolibs get hosed. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, you reelected Bush and there is a non-zero chance you'll elect Trump.
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MeLKoR posted:Let's not get ahead of ourselves, you reelected Bush and there is a non-zero chance you'll elect Trump. no, our 2004 was your 2015. even our iraq war logic was a kevin bacon game away from yours. your brexit vote is a closer analogy to firing on fort sumpter than anything else in us history
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i wonder if tony blair would have been a more principled leftist had we not strongarmed him into baghdad
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I'm wondering if Murdoch has reached the stage after controlling Britain for so long, he is bored and just wants to enjoy watching it collapse. Like deleting the ladder from the swimming pool in the Sims.
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Aliquid posted:i wonder if tony blair would have been a more principled leftist had we not strongarmed him into baghdad i stayed home from school to watch the army pull down that dumbass statue of saddam in march 2003, and freely admit i was enticed by the blood and glory of the US military before leaving. i kinda get how so many friends were enticed to sign up long-term.
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Aliquid posted:no, our 2004 was your 2015. even our iraq war logic was a kevin bacon game away from yours. Melkor is one of the poor sods we've hurt in the EU. She gave a talk on LBC yesterday that goons posted, includes her description of what happened; http://www.lbc.co.uk/chakrabati-defends-corbyn-over-anti-semitism-133112
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LemonDrizzle posted:also, Alistair Campbell: not all bad, really! i emailed him and called him a oval office
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Aliquid posted:is "Director of Liberty" an actual thing? good thing labour has good PR https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/
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Aliquid posted:is "Director of Liberty" an actual thing? good thing labour has good PR it's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_(advocacy_group) unaffiliated NGO. note that Chakrabarti was not writing in her capacity as Director but in her capacity as a Labour member chairing the inquiry
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LemonDrizzle posted:Liberty is a charitable foundation that campaigns for human rights. Chakraborty is its director. well then i assume this is super controversial to Some People edit do I hear her do news updates on NPR late at night?
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ronya posted:it's why they didn't say anything about immigration. because there was nothing to say that would work They talked about asylum seekers a lot though.
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In the interests of Correct Facts, Bella Sankey is the current director of Liberty. Shami Chakrabarti stood down earlier this year.
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Aliquid posted:well then i assume this is super controversial to Some People the predecessor of Liberty (NCCL) is mostly controversial for having a pro-paedophile affiliate when things were weird in the 70s. Obviously they got some sense later and expelled them but still a bit embarrassing. Tories tried to use it as a smear in the last election though iirc (ironically against Labour right-wingers like Harriet Harman).
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Aliquid posted:is "Director of Liberty" an actual thing? good thing labour has good PR The pr machine, on realising that corbyn was essentially repeating her inquiry's words, immediately shut down an attack they had poured a lot of resources into and then deleted as much of the effort as they could, rather than double down or misdirect as normal. Obviously there were other people on the committee and as I vaguely remember the selection was pretty good (at least good enough not to be attacked) but I think the total shutdown is notable- pr shits have tried to smear her and failed before, they don't quite know how to deal with it other than ignore studiously.
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OvineYeast posted:the predecessor of Liberty (NCCL) is mostly controversial for having a pro-paedophile affiliate when things were weird in the 70s. Obviously they got some sense later and expelled them but still a bit embarrassing. Tories tried to use it as a smear in the last election though iirc (ironically against Labour right-wingers like Harriet Harman). LOL at the Tories trying to use the idea of someone else being pro-paedophilia in the 70s as a slur. Pot, kettle, etc.
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DesperateDan posted:The pr machine, on realising that corbyn was essentially repeating her inquiry's words, immediately shut down an attack they had poured a lot of resources into and then deleted as much of the effort as they could, rather than double down or misdirect as normal. Obviously there were other people on the committee and as I vaguely remember the selection was pretty good (at least good enough not to be attacked) but I think the total shutdown is notable- pr shits have tried to smear her and failed before, they don't quite know how to deal with it other than ignore studiously. Yeah, even John Mann who won't miss any opportunity to stick the knife in to Corbyn, especially over anti-semitism was at the event and praised the report.
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Aliquid posted:well then i assume this is super controversial to Some People
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Does the OP really have a chart from frigging MtGox of bitcoin fame? 
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feedmegin posted:Does the OP really have a chart from frigging MtGox of bitcoin fame? Well, the pound is certainly approaching bitcoin in terms of viability as a currency
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feedmegin posted:Does the OP really have a chart from frigging MtGox of bitcoin fame?
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dispatch_async posted:They talked about asylum seekers a lot though. mainly because the BNP were making terrifying advance after advance in 2001-2003, following the Oldham riots. back then the British left regarded this electoral success as totally irrelevant, which strikes me as a little quaint in an age of simply being resigned to UKIP sneering all the way to Brussels the tactic of the Blair administration was to simply shuffle the categories from asylum seekers to economic migrants whilst quietly expanding the ease with which legal economic migration could happen, then maintaining a kind of ministerial omerta about the latter again, with the benefit of hindsight, I think it's hard to say that any other policy could have been better, under the constraint of having to hold anti-immigration dickheads at bay on Polling Day
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Would you guys vote for him looks like a fish? I prob'ly wouldn't
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Would you guys vote for him looks like a fish? They voted for dead pig fucker.
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ShredsYouSay posted:I'm wondering if Murdoch has reached the stage after controlling Britain for so long, he is bored and just wants to enjoy watching it collapse. I do wonder what exactly The Sun and The Express are for now. They could go with the angle of 'pressure on politicians to negotiate Brexit FOR BRITUN' but their readers will have fallen asleep before the end of that sentence, and there's not much milage in it. They have a pretty compelling narrative to replace, and nothing to replace it with. The EU was an ideal villain - people know gently caress all about what it really is, and it has virtually no bearing on people's day to day lives, leaving it wide open for tabloid to paint whatever picture they want, safe in the knowledge that politicians would never be dumb enough to... oh poo poo. I asked in the June thread what Murdoch got out of this, and I got the feeling it was nothing beyond decades of convenient 'us and them' narrative. Now he's going to have to find another enemy. EvilGenius fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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