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JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Endless Mike posted:

Know what is cool? 70s rap.
Wanna know what else is cool? 80s rap.
Another thing that is cool? 90s rap.
Yet another thing? 00s rap.
And finally? 10s rap.

What I'm saying is that rap is good and cool and like most forms of music changes and shifts with the times and that's a good thing.

Genres change and that's good but it's not like you have to like every iteration of every genre. I like old-rear end country music but can't stand New Country, for example.

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purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

I'm not being nostalgic, I was barely alive for most classic hip hop and I'm white as poo poo, it definitely wasn't a big part of my upbringing or childhood

It's good because it is good, not because it's old, is my point I guess.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

Just like every decade, the 80s has good and terrible music. Biz Markle is amazing

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.

Toxxupation posted:

Wildstorm was pretty neat, but the 90s outside of the best rap there ever was until the mid-late 2000s when KanYe/etc hit the scene and made people stop the faux gangsta rap bullshit that poisoned the early 2000s were pretty much a cultural wasteland. Television, video games, comics, music outside of rap, all just...a deep, deep embarrassment.

You are fundamentally wrong. Based on this, I'm going to assume that, like WickedHate, you are too young to have actually experienced the 90s.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



The 90s was such a lovely decade to live through. The hangover to the party of the 80s.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah, but the 80s is what trashed my apartment and stole my weed.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Alaois posted:

have you ever like, actually listened to any of it you loving drooling lobotomy patient

The nineties was the decade that saw the releases of albums like Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Liquid Swords, The Score, Doggystyle, The Chronic, 2001, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, Illmatic, Ready to Die, Aquemini, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, The Diary and Black On Both Sides among many others. Even if you only listed Wu albums the nineties would still be the best decade for rap.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6z0WjAOufM

'80s music owns, qtiyd.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



JoshTheStampede posted:

Genres change and that's good but it's not like you have to like every iteration of every genre. I like old-rear end country music but can't stand New Country, for example.

I agree completely but claiming entire decades to be bad is fundamentally wrong. We joke here about 90s comics but plenty of good came from that decade.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

I believe in all the ways that they say you can lose your body
Fallen Rib
90's gave us Gen X's cynicism and sarcasm which was a perfect response to the 80's bloat and greed. There is a reason Nirvana was seen as the final nail in 80's hair metals coffin. In other words the 90s ruled.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
drat y'all put some effort into your chat thread ops

Every decade has good rap and bad it's just that like everything else we've had time to weed out what's good and what isn't with the older stuff and people come to the conclusion that a cherry picked list = this is all that ever came out at that point

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
All ya'll motherfuckers need to read Hip Hop Family Tree. You'll see it's all good, even if the music isn't your thing.

Here's Rick Rubin being a fake rear end punk kid.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Lencho posted:

Your favorite band is Hollywood Undead.

Edit: 80's thrash and death metal was the poo poo.

Well, they used to be. I hated their last album for the most part. Now I'd be more likely to say my favorite band is Blue Oyster Cult, the Black Keys, Mindless Self Indulgence, or Tub Ring.

As far as metal goes I like doom metal a lot, like Electric Wizard or Uncle Acid, though I grew up liking more power stuff like Dragonforce and Hammerfall. Nile is some good poo poo too, and I think their death? I have a hard time distinguishing between death and black metal.


JoshTheStampede posted:

Genres change and that's good but it's not like you have to like every iteration of every genre. I like old-rear end country music but can't stand New Country, for example.

God, yes. I can think of a few songs labeled country that I like but even they don't feel country at all. Johnny Cash is where's loving at man.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

You guys talking about country music should check out Old Crow Medicine Show or the Steeldrivers, not everything being recorded this century is crossover friendly garbage designed to let people in red states who make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year feel like they're still redneck.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Travis343 posted:

You guys talking about country music should check out Old Crow Medicine Show or the Steeldrivers, not everything being recorded this century is crossover friendly garbage designed to let people in red states who make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year feel like they're still redneck.

Oh, sure, I'm aware. When I say 70s rap was bad I think it goes without saying that it's a broad generalization and I realize there are exceptions to everything. Just like there was a lot of bad poo poo in the 90s, too, it wasn't all Wu-Tang Forever.

FutureFriend
Dec 28, 2011

biz markie transcends all essence of decades imo

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Travis343 posted:

You guys talking about country music should check out Old Crow Medicine Show or the Steeldrivers, not everything being recorded this century is crossover friendly garbage designed to let people in red states who make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year feel like they're still redneck.

Oooh, I'm listening to Steeldrivers now and like it a lot. Thanks!

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

CapnAndy posted:

End Me Scoob, your username/avatar/text combo has been haunting me. It is genuinely disturbing and I think now is finally the time to ask: Where is all that from, why is Velma desperately begging for death from Scooby Doo?

Oh, it just came from a game of Quiplash. I found the art somehow and paid for the namechange/avatar, and a few ideas have occurred to me for cycling out different characters there, but I've never found art of the other characters that's so haunting in the process to work there. I really wish someone had a good Fred. That one is probably the darkest.

site posted:

drat y'all put some effort into your chat thread ops

Realtalk: this was a recycled piece I was trying to pitch a while ago before a site went under, which is why it feels kinda flaky in parts.

Dexie posted:

Was Milestone's stuff collected in trades? I'm assuming if so they're out of print.

Rhyno posted:

OP's OP reminds me that the bulk of the original Static series was never collected in trade and some of those final issues sell for $25+ each due to the low print run.

I don't know if digital has fixed this (I don't really have a device to read 'em on, so I don't look) but at least the last time they tried was infuriating, because around the mid-2000s when they shoved Milestone's cast into DC for maybe half a year, they promised they would begin reprinting trades of those older series as an archival thing. Now, keep in mind, these were series that ran 30-50 issues in 4 main books, with a few miniseries or events like Long Hot Summer.

From memory, only two came out (Hardware got one trade, and Static the other), they were wildly incomplete (the Static one had a couple of origin issues and then his final miniseries), and they have never spoken on it since. To add insult to injury, the "wrapup" two-parter they did to polish off the line and give closure around that time, Milestone Forever, got hosed with on release (art and dialogue were changed) and never collected, period.

Being a Milestone fan, doubly so as a Static fan, in the 2000s onwards, was a constant chain of kicks to the dick.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



SomeJazzyRat posted:

All ya'll motherfuckers need to read Hip Hop Family Tree. You'll see it's all good, even if the music isn't your thing.

Here's Rick Rubin being a fake rear end punk kid.



I really enjoy the way Piskor will pop in on someone who is going to be important for a panel or a page just like "he was doing some things before he got big." HHFT rules. Can't wait for Vol. 3 and 4 to come out.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

END ME SCOOB posted:

Oh, it just came from a game of Quiplash. I found the art somehow and paid for the namechange/avatar, and a few ideas have occurred to me for cycling out different characters there, but I've never found art of the other characters that's so haunting in the process to work there. I really wish someone had a good Fred. That one is probably the darkest.


Realtalk: this was a recycled piece I was trying to pitch a while ago before a site went under, which is why it feels kinda flaky in parts.



I don't know if digital has fixed this (I don't really have a device to read 'em on, so I don't look) but at least the last time they tried was infuriating, because around the mid-2000s when they shoved Milestone's cast into DC for maybe half a year, they promised they would begin reprinting trades of those older series as an archival thing. Now, keep in mind, these were series that ran 30-50 issues in 4 main books, with a few miniseries or events like Long Hot Summer.

From memory, only two came out (Hardware got one trade, and Static the other), they were wildly incomplete (the Static one had a couple of origin issues and then his final miniseries), and they have never spoken on it since. To add insult to injury, the "wrapup" two-parter they did to polish off the line and give closure around that time, Milestone Forever, got hosed with on release (art and dialogue were changed) and never collected, period.

Being a Milestone fan, doubly so as a Static fan, in the 2000s onwards, was a constant chain of kicks to the dick.

Digital availability never effects rare back issue pricing.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
I just meant the lack of compilations. I did not know if they had finally collected poo poo in digital form like they never did in physical.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

What year did "Word Up" come out? That decade was when music was at its best.

Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!
Milestone comics gave the world Humberto Ramos.

So take that for what it's worth...

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Ferrule posted:

Milestone comics gave the world Humberto Ramos.

So take that for what it's worth...

Wait, do people not like Humberto Ramos?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Aphrodite posted:

What year did "Word Up" come out? That decade was when music was at its best.

1986. The biggest song that year was "That's What Friends Are For" by Dionne Warwick and Friends (said friends were Stevie Wonder, Elton John and Gladys Knight). The number one album that year was Whitney Houston's self-titled debut album.

A hard rock version of "Word Up!" was also a hit for a Scottish band called Gun in 1994.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

JoshTheStampede posted:

Wait, do people not like Humberto Ramos?

He's bad. He was good but now he's bad. Unfortunately it happens to a lot of artists.

Mind you I'm one of the few people in BSS willing to admit that he was ever good in the first place.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
His art looks like a Western cartoon badly emulating anime.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

You can just say cartoon. The western is implied, since we're normal.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

JoshTheStampede posted:

Wait, do people not like Humberto Ramos?

The X-Men books are all in competition to have the worst art, and while Uncanny's ahead right now, Extraordinary is some stiff competition. Every fight scene devolves into lazers loving everywhere and I can't see anything, and his Magik redesign is garbage.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Aphrodite posted:

You can just say cartoon. The western is implied, since we're normal.

You're right, I should do that. Just kidding, no I shouldn't. Because I respect the Japanese language. Baka.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

It's just the Bachalo Magik but with pants.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
I swear to god I will turn this thread into 30 days of Milestone if this linguistic clusterfuck keeps up

I've gone mad with power

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
Huh. I really like Ramos, now and earlier, and I also really like latter-day Bachalo which is similar. It's obviously very anime-inspired and I don't really like anime very much (despite my username), but something about that graffiti-style art they do I really like. It's way better than the photorealistic stuff like Deodato/Land/Whoever, to me - at least when people are drawn making surprised faces in a cartoony way it doesn't look like a Tom Goes To The Mayor sketch.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

END ME SCOOB posted:

I swear to god I will turn this thread into 30 days of Milestone if this linguistic clusterfuck keeps up

I've gone mad with power

DO IT.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Land's stuff is photorealistic because he blatantly traces everything, and like half of it from porn.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



It's like 2/3 porn, 1/3 wrestling.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

I believe in all the ways that they say you can lose your body
Fallen Rib
Major Bummer was probably the best 90s comic that reflected the 90s attitude.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Endless Mike posted:

It's like 2/3 porn, 1/3 wrestling.

At times his Hyperion in Ultimate Power is literally Kurt Angle publicity shots.

X-O fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 2, 2016

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Aphrodite posted:

It's just the Bachalo Magik but with pants.

And he changed her hair so she doesn't have bangs, which she has had for basically as long as she's been a character.

... I was mostly kidding about the Magik redesign ruining the artwork of the book, I hosed up conveying that :v:. I do dislike that change but it's hardly ruining the book.

JoshTheStampede posted:

Huh. I really like Ramos, now and earlier, and I also really like latter-day Bachalo which is similar.

Huh, I actually really like Bachalo's stuff a lot despite not being into Ramos. Flipping through Extraordinary X-Men a bit, I think it's mostly just the fight scenes really dragging the artwork down for me. And the first few issues have had a lot of fighting so I've had a lot to dislike there.

burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 2, 2016

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

X-O posted:

At times his Hyperion in Ultimate Power is literally Kurt Angle publicity shots.

He used Randy Orton for a Miracleman cover he did.

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