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I feel like I can't be the only leftist that puts people who are against modern agriculture advances on the same level as anti-vaxxers but it seems like it seems like it has much more traction among progressive so I dunno maybe I'm just not as well read on the issue.
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I consider myself a liberal or progressive and love myself some GMO. I also love nuclear power too.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:17
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"Monsanto! Monsanto!" *is a 50-something with a gray ponytail who wears sandals regardless of the weather*
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Jul 2, 2016 01:17
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GMOs and Vaccines are great topics because it's not a left/right issue. I know people on either side of the aisle that fall in either camp for both categories. Here's the correct answers for both: Vaccines are great and you are retarded to not get them unless you have a specific illness precluding you. GMOs are fine, the politics behind them aren't.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:18
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A bunch of retards who think they know better than industrial scale science and regulation.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:35
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Conservatives are pro gmo because of profits, liberals are anti gmo because GMOs are racist
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Jul 2, 2016 01:37
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I hid my extended family, specifically my aunt and her daughters, from my timeline because it was just GMO poo poo. She's a paranoid german immigrant convinced that the US and Monsanto are in cahoots to start the fourth reich using chemtrails, GMOs, and Obama.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:38
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No they're pretty much exactly anti-vaxxers, OP. People whose only understanding of genetic manipulation comes from watching the X-men movies and whose critical thinking faculties are mediocre at best.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:40
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Jose Oquendo posted:Vaccines are great and you are retarded to not get them unless you have a specific illness precluding you. Also. There are some issues with GMOs, primarily the ones associated with monoculture as a whole. As long as they are adequately researched and responsibly used and diversified, they're good. But then you put the shittiest companies in charge. Of course, that's never what the people who are against GMOs talk about. They're generally retard granola moms and other middle class morons who will shovel a handful of apricot seeds into their mouth while crying about toxins. Tiberius Thyben fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 2, 2016 |
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Jul 2, 2016 01:43
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GMOs themselves are fine, but large scale agriculture is destroying the planet. HTH.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:43
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bruvs be4 luvs
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How exactly do we wean ourselves off of agriculture. When people decry oil they often have some idea of a solar powered world or something. I just don't know where you go without agriculture.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:54
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Methanar posted:How exactly do we wean ourselves off of agriculture. We don't need to ween ourselves off agriculture, we just need to do it smarter. There's a lot of cool plans for multi-level farms that grow ten times as much as a normal farm for the same footprint.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:56
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GMOs kick up a bunch of issues about IP, in that corporations like Monsanto want to patent genomes which is dumb as hell but that's the only real issue, anything else is fuckwads who we should eat for food
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Jul 2, 2016 02:05
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the biggest impact of GMOs on most liberal americans is that monsanto made roundup ready crops so that farmers can just spray herbicide all over their crops and pass it along to the consumer, which is just great imo. it seems like a perfect way to sell GMOs to average americans and i cant imagine how it could have backfired
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Jul 2, 2016 02:10
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The Goatfather posted:the biggest impact of GMOs on most liberal americans is that monsanto made roundup ready crops so that farmers can just spray herbicide all over their crops and pass it along to the consumer, which is just great imo. it seems like a perfect way to sell GMOs to average americans and i cant imagine how it could have backfired so the actual issue here is ingesting herbicide, not GMO crops thanks for laying that out
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Jul 2, 2016 02:14
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The Goatfather posted:the biggest impact of GMOs on most liberal americans is that monsanto made roundup ready crops so that farmers can just spray herbicide all over their crops and pass it along to the consumer, which is just great imo. it seems like a perfect way to sell GMOs to average americans and i cant imagine how it could have backfired How harmful is Roundup® compared to other pesticides? Also, how much Roundup® is used on Roundup Ready® crops compared to the amount of pesticide used on non-Roundup® crops? I feel like these are important questions that we need to think about
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Jul 2, 2016 02:25
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The guy across the street grows GMO corn. Those fuckers aren't just eye high by the fourth of July, they're towering sky scrapers that literally rape you with corn cob dicks if you get too close. The anti-GMO crowd has like a single study in their favor that wasn't well received in peer review and about a billion contrary studies. Also, we don't even eat GMO corn most of it is for feeding livestock. So it's basically nothing and stupid.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:28
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:GMOs kick up a bunch of issues about IP, in that corporations like Monsanto want to patent genomes which is dumb as hell
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Jul 2, 2016 02:29
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Flavahbeast posted:How harmful is Roundup® compared to other pesticides? Also, how much Roundup® is used on Roundup Ready® crops compared to the amount of pesticide used on non-Roundup® crops? I feel like these are important questions that we need to think about
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Jul 2, 2016 02:34
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ArbitraryC posted:I feel like I can't be the only leftist that puts people who are against modern agriculture advances on the same level as anti-vaxxers but it seems like it seems like it has much more traction among progressive so I dunno maybe I'm just not as well read on the issue. Yeah the hippie movement cultivated a special sort of anti-intellectualism that in its current form rears its ugly head around GMOs and vaccines but it goes back to the 60s and the naturalist/health food crazy on the west coast.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:41
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which ultimately killed steve jobs 
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Jul 2, 2016 02:42
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Dubplate Fire posted:GMOs themselves are fine, but large scale agriculture is destroying the planet. HTH. Im with you but also we make lots of money off Monsanto (I live in the city of their HQ and they are a client of ours) so I'm also a huge moron.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:43
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Dave_Indeed posted:The guy across the street grows GMO corn. Those fuckers aren't just eye high by the fourth of July, they're towering sky scrapers that literally rape you with corn cob dicks if you get too close. We're consuming the poo poo out of its byproducts and it's making us fat and lazy. Also it's making corn farmers poor and limiting their rights.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:45
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psychokitty posted:We're consuming the poo poo out of its byproducts and it's making us fat and lazy. Also it's making corn farmers poor and limiting their rights. That seems kind of like an "industrialization is bad because it took away jobs" argument, like sure that did happen but what could have happened is we just took the money saved from efficiency and given it to the people who were previously paid to be inefficient, that's not a flaw of progress it's a flaw of how we handle progress.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:48
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GMOs as a product aren't bad but it sucks that unlike regular crops they can be patented and controlled by huge companies. Suspicion and contempt for the corporate part bleeds into anti-science stuff unfortunately.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:54
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FACT: GMOs comprise 100% of the airplane peanuts in the market today
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Jul 2, 2016 02:56
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ArbitraryC posted:That seems kind of like an "industrialization is bad because it took away jobs" argument, like sure that did happen but what could have happened is we just took the money saved from efficiency and given it to the people who were previously paid to be inefficient, that's not a flaw of progress it's a flaw of how we handle progress. No I mean I don't think they should be farming corn at all. That's a holdover from farm subsidies. Why can't they farm broccoli and make a living? Because there's no broccoli subsidy or industrial broccoli complex.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:57
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Applewhite posted:We don't need to ween ourselves off agriculture, we just need to do it smarter. There's a lot of cool plans for multi-level farms that grow ten times as much as a normal farm for the same footprint. Actually what we need to do is not breed like a loving virus. GMOs can be, and generally are, fine, but making them absolutely necessary because we can't even think about slowing down till we hit 12 billion mouths to feed is loving retarded. If you have more than 4 or 5 kids, gently caress you you piece of poo poo.
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Jul 2, 2016 02:57
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I dont really see why people are so against labeling GMO products, I mean almost everything in the grocery store will have the label but it's about as harmful as parental advisory stickers on albums
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Jul 2, 2016 02:57
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psychokitty posted:No I mean I don't think they should be farming corn at all. That's a holdover from farm subsidies. Why can't they farm broccoli and make a living? Because there's no broccoli subsidy or industrial broccoli complex. I'm not sure how that's making them poor though? Like if they are raising corn, that's probably because they wouldn't make as much money raising broccoli?
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Jul 2, 2016 02:58
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yesterday I bought a watermelon and it had these crunchy black things in it and I was like gross so I say no more gmos
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Jul 2, 2016 03:00
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:yesterday I bought a watermelon and it had these crunchy black things in it and I was like gross so I say no more gmos 
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Jul 2, 2016 03:01
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atoms and genes are bad
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Jul 2, 2016 03:01
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akulanization posted:I'm not sure how that's making them poor though? Like if they are raising corn, that's probably because they wouldn't make as much money raising broccoli? They make just enough through subsidies and then we have stockpiles of feed corn plus we adulterate it into other poo poo. The corn doesn't actually sell on a fair market. If broccoli were in such demand maybe a farmer could make a decent living farming broccoli. And then it would get market price and people would eat it. Instead we have to import it from people farming it for pennies in not necessarily fair labor situations.
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Jul 2, 2016 03:02
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signalnoise posted:I dont really see why people are so against labeling GMO products, I mean almost everything in the grocery store will have the label but it's about as harmful as parental advisory stickers on albums If you think there's no issue with gmos outside of the politics surrounding the patent process than there's no reason to label them, the only reason to push for wasting tax money on reviewing and labeling them is if you're an idiot who thinks they're somehow more intrinsically dangerous than the crops we've already spent a millennia on tinkering with to be perfect for human farming.
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Jul 2, 2016 03:03
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There's nothing wrong with GMO but big corn is loving bad.
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Jul 2, 2016 03:04
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psychokitty posted:They make just enough through subsidies and then we have stockpiles of feed corn plus we adulterate it into other poo poo. The corn doesn't actually sell on a fair market. If broccoli were in such demand maybe a farmer could make a decent living farming broccoli. And then it would get market price and people would eat it. Instead we have to import it from people farming it for pennies in not necessarily fair labor situations. i admittedly haven't kept up on the farm subsidy news in a while but i thought corn subsidies ended like half a decade ago when the gov stopped funding bioethanol research so heavily.
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Jul 2, 2016 03:04
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Dubplate Fire posted:GMOs themselves are fine, but large scale agriculture is destroying the planet. HTH.
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Raldikuk posted:I consider myself a liberal or progressive and love myself some GMO. I also love nuclear power too.
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It's almost like it's in the interest of every politician, left or right, that companies like Monsanto stay in business. That's why they distract everyone with poo poo like GMOs, then whichever side wins, Monsanto can just keep destroying the earth and poisoning everyone, maybe they'll just have to invent slightly new ways to do it.
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