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Marshal Radisic posted:I've said this before, but the only reason to read the Shatnerverse books is to see the Reeve-Stevens spitballing their own ideas for the Trekverse. In The Return, they imagine the Borg having different "branches" that have different approaches to assimilation and expansion. One branch is more into biotech, one converts subjects into patterned energy (i.e. the guys V'ger ran into), and honestly it's way more interesting than anything canon Trek did with them after TNG ended. This sounds amazing, and no matter how poor the execution is it won't even come close to being the worst Trek book out there, provided it avoids graphic rape Oh I read TNG book that was in the local library, I was kinda dreading it since the cover had Picard and Worf in their Nemesis uniforms and was covered in space radiation green. I was pleasantly surprised, instead of space battles it was about the Federation dealing with a galactic refugee crisis after another Borg attack. And the protagonists had to use diplomacy and negotiation to achieve their goals and resolve tensions within the Federation. Dealt with issues like racism and migration in a more nuanced way then Trek usually does. The action took place in alien worlds that really were alien and not just people with bits of rubber on their faces. The annoying character was annoying on purpose and he got killed, and Riza had been destroyed meaning no more captains holiday style stories. Memory Beta tells me its called losing the peace though the covers a bit different.
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I'm taking advantage of Netflix's generosity and watching a few random episodes of trek. I just watched DS9's second skin, its an alright episode, and would be a classic for Voyager. But one thing that sticks out to me is the crux of the episode relies on the Cardassians having incredibly convincing plastic surgery techniques. We see them do this throughout the series in several other episodes but I have to ask why bother? Apparently a routine medical scan* can detect Cardassian DNA making it kinda pointless for infiltration purposes. *except for the times it can't. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Delsaber posted:If the infiltration had been real, I guess the Order could've been betting on the Bajoran resistance lacking the resources to scan people's DNA or whatever. As part of the deception, maybe they just assumed Kira wouldn't connect the dots for some reason. I think they considered her in those days to be just a grunt running errands, right? If this was one of the "this is in one episode then vanishes never to be heard of again" things I could see the use infiltrating the Bajoran resistance who wouldn't have sophisticated equipment. But later episodes show that this is standard Obsidian Order procedure with all their enemies. Including the Federation, which if anything is technologically superior to the Cardassians. In Voyager the Doctor discovers Seska's secret by preforming a routine diagnosis on an injured member of the crew. If a medic could blow your cover without actively trying it seems like a pretty big problem when you're supposed to be infiltrating for years.
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Gaz-L posted:Seska was infiltrating the Maquis, not Starfleet, though. Maybe she did have tech that would fool the lovely sensors and tricorders in the badlands, but Voyager's stuff could see through it. Yeah but the Maquis was made up of Star Fleet personnel and nicked federation tech and the Cardassians thought the Federation was supplying the Maquis on the sly so that's a really big risk to take, the Doc seems to just accidentally find out using standard gear. And I just remembered in the DS9 episode were O'Brien is put on trial in Cardassia the bloke who framed him was an Order agent posing as a Star Fleet member. And again Bashir just scans him and proves his DNA isn't human.
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Spalec posted:Is there any reason to watch TNG/DS9/VOY in air order rather then just watch each series and then move on to the next? Were there much in the way of crossovers? In addition to the other comments there's also a two parter in late TNG called the Birthright that starts at DS9, I lack of knowledge of DS9 shouldn't be very confusing but it does mean the first five or ten minutes are kinda of padding before the A and B plots kick in. Oh and like the Maquis a bunch of Cardassian episode in TNG help flesh them out for DS9 and a few minor Cardassian characters show up in both series while they were both running. But its not important to know them before hand.
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Apollodorus posted:Doctor Bashir actually figures prominently into Birthright Part I. He helps Data test out his dream subroutines, and then promises to give him co-author credit when he publishes an academic paper on it. That's true but the episode shows him as just some nerd from the station messing around with the ships medical equipment and some weird energy cannon. Knowing him from the other show doesn't really add anything to it. Powered Descent posted:Fun fact: as originally scripted, that was supposed to be Jadzia Dax doing all that. But the filming of Move Along Home was running long and the actress was busy with that, so the show runners did a big search-and-replace on her name in the script and sent Bashir over as a last-second replacement. Yeah and if I remember right Terry Farrell was not pleased with this change. "I cried. I thought I should have fallen off the rock so I could have gone over there instead of Sid disappearing, because when we were filming "Move Along Home" his character disappeared, and I was acting throughout the rest of it with Nana and Avery, and we got caught up together"
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Gonz posted:Was at Bookmans again today. The Federations Oliver North, oh wait that's old McCoy, not that really old Admiral that got really young, then really, really young, Nevermind. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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I had a look to make sure I wasn't going crazy, and yeah old Bones looks just like creepy old Admiral war criminal. Old McCoy  Old Admiral dude  guess they recycled the make up.
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After The War posted:I love that they'd originally wanted that character to be Kirk - that the consequences of the stupid TOS Cold War politics would come back to bite him in the rear end and by killing him off they'd move out from under their predecessor's shadow... like officers on a Klingon warship. Yeah that would be a pretty good concept provided they ditched that awful and useless de-aging gimmick. Too short a season is probably the most glaring example of two plots that have nothing to do wit each other being crammed into the same episode. It would be a nice sequel to TOS a Private Little War where Kirk was considering a proxy war with the Klingons. I honestly think Admiral Jameson, is probably the most evil Federation character Star Trek has ever had on television. All the other characters like the Admiral who leads a coup in DS9 had reasons for their actions, fear of the Dominion, the need for magic health radiation etc. Or were controlled by alien neck tics. But Jameson just deliberately escalated a war for forty years because of his warped interpretation of the PD and then covered it all up. Had the episode bothered to focus on that it'd probably be up there with the Siege of AR-558 instead of typical early TNG weirdness.
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counterfeitsaint posted:That's hilarious, and I really wish he would have gone to a socialist conference in makeup and refused to break character. One time when filming an episode of DS9 there was an earthquake of small to medium size for California. Filming was put on hold while everyone tried to find out if their homes and loved ones were okay. Armin rushed home to check for damage, and gave a lift to two Cardassian characters who lived nearby. They were all in full makeup and costume, and Armin drove a convertible. No reports of an Orson Wells style invasion hysteria though, sadly. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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Timby posted:Roddenberry had literally zero involvement in the movies after The Motion Picture. Isn't that what he said? 
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counterfeitsaint posted:Wasn't Shatner very heavily involved in Chaos on the Bridge and the whole point was that TOS was the best and gently caress you guys my show is better than yours? Roddenberry was definitely a mess, and I'm sure he found evidence to prove his points most of the time, but when the evidence didn't actually fit his narrative that didn't stop anybody from including it anyway, like the Stewart threatening in the cafeteria. The whole thing felt a lot like the 'Kirk is the bested guy in the universe' books* Shatner wrote. Not really, its one of like dozens of Trek Docs that Shatner just seems to fill his day with, but none of the interviews feel like he has to coax any secrets out of them. And that Picard threatening story, both the exec and Patrick Stewart tell their sides of the story uninterrupted by Shatner, that's the most ethical thing you can do in a situation where both sides say very different things and you don't have any proof which bloke is telling the actual truth. You won't get very far in an interview if you start accusing the other person of lying, and you definitely shouldn't do it if you have no concrete proof. The one thing bit of forced management Shatner did do on Bridge of Chaos was that he kept trying to push this struggle for power angle on the events. Like if one writers described a working environment that seemed like no one was in charge Shatner would jump in with "so there was power vaccum, and you were all struggling for.... power?" Like its not enough validation unless they all say those magic words. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It also sometimes muddies the waters. See the contrasting accounts of a conversation between Patrick Stewart and... poo poo, some exec at Paramount whose name I'm forgetting, where the exec claims he bullied Stewart into playing ball, and Stewart denies any such conversation took place. Or, hell, Maurice Hurley basically contradicting himself, first saying "oh, yeah, Gene had all these wacky ideas that were a huge pain in the rear end" and then saying "b-b-but i was the only one left fighting for ~Gene's vision~ and that's why i had to quit While I don't like Hurley as a person or a writer I don't think this is fair. I took away from the interviews with him that he thought Gene's ideas were stupid but since it was Gene's show everyone had to follow the party line because that's how the business works. You know an extreme sense of professionalism. He seemed genuinely bitter that Gene of all people would occasionally undermine the guidelines Hurley put so much time and effort into enforcing. I've worked under supervisors just like that, they think the way things work is stupid but they'll follow them to the letter anyway and they really don't like it when the bigwigs decide to bend the rules now and then. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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McSpanky posted:And people like you need to stop being so disingenuous to score some easy social justice points out of context. DS9 had to play it that way because homosexual content was still a big taboo on TV in the 90s, and even after all the bending over backwards they did to cloak the issue in scifi parable they still got a bunch of hate mail and angry calls because of the actual on-screen kiss. And as for Uhura and Kirk, multiply that by like a hundred for 60s race relations and then also consider that NBC was so leery of offending the Bible Belt that they ordered two versions of the scene, one where they kissed and one where they didn't; Bill and Nichelle decided to gently caress up all the takes of the latter so badly that they had no choice but to go with the former. Social Justice, point scoring? Ha ha not even close, its called scrutiny. I'm saying Treks constant for decades trumpeting of its own achievements doesn't stand up to it. Which you've just confirmed with your bitter white knighting (see I can use hip net slang too), so no I'm not being disingenuous at all, I'm being accurate, so thanks for the validation I guess. Seriously pointing out that they had to go with a take because of the sabotage of the actors doesn't help your point at all, it undermines it. I don't care if a franchise chooses to play it safe for the sake of its business, I take issue when a franchise plays it safe then spends years patting itself on the back for how bold and willing to take risks etc. Because that is being disingenuous, had the Trek team been honest and said, "we took some risks with our casting and pushed the envelope out on some episodes, but due to the attitudes of TV markets we unfortunately had to spike a few more interesting ideas, or change them up a bit", I'd be fine with it. Oh and get some perspective, mate, receiving hatemail and angry phone calls isn't impressive (should we praise the Brady Bunch for Cousin Oliver?), neither is the risk of losing ad revenue from the American South East, especially not when your comparing it to the actual struggles and there dangers that Trek timidly trailed.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Could be seeing as he's a good ol' country doctor. What does being a "country doctor" mean in the 23rd century? He was appalled at the idea of slicing people open to treat them. I remember in one TNG episode Polaski had to explain the concept of a splint to one of her staffers, and he was aghast. And then there's Beverly Crusher not knowing what a headache is. 23rd Century medicine seems a bit erratic in its priorities. On the plus side they appear to have cracked spinal injuries and bird bone syndrome.
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McSpanky posted:I like how you both blame the compromises made to deal with the realities of television production at the time on the productions suffering under them instead of the network masters who forced them, AND you act like "Trek" (as if the franchise is some monolithic single-owner-controlled creative juggernaut, like say Star Wars was) aggrandized for its recognition in breaking social barriers instead of mostly being acknowledged for them from outside, and to a large degree from the very people it was speaking up for. I mean yeah, there's certainly a bunch of stuff that's clearly an example of the social failings of the time (TOS's treatment of women is, complicated, to put it very kindly), but hey, let's throw everything under the bus from the rarefied heights of 2016, golden age of all cultural tolerance. Self-hating fans are the worst. Actually I've felt that Trek (that was a short hand generalisation by the way) has been overselling itself as a culturally important phenomena rather than a television show that shook things up a bit since the 90's. But sure straw man me all you like, and I'm not self hating at all thank you very much, I've come to terms with my sexuality and ethnic heritage several years ago so do stop projecting onto me would you, its not a healthy habit. quote:Here's an exercise for you: After Grace Lee Whitney was let go in the first season Nichelle Nichols was the only female regular left, and by chance spoke to Martin Luthor King Jr. about wanting to leaving the show. You may need better reading glasses, I said I didn't think Trek production staff should go on about the interracial kiss scene because of the way they did it muddied the waters quite a bit, oh and that they only went ahead with it thanks to actor sabotage tying there hands. Nothing about Uhura's character at all. Again stop strawmanning me please. Didn't you just say we shouldn't treat Trek as a monolith? Because that's what your doing here. If you have to invent positions to have a go at me then maybe you'd be better off not posting to begin with. quote:The exercise was just to read that anecdote in case you hadn't heard it before, please continue to amuse me with more clumsily shortsighted criticisms. I really doubt I am amusing you, in fact you don't appear to be taking this well at all with your rather poor form attempts to argue me down. Here's some advice If you want to pretend you're being flippant then make your tone match because this isn't fooling me. I'm sorry to see you don't take criticism well, and I don't understand why your taking someone not agreeing with you so personally but there we are. And yes I have seen that quote many times, care to actually link it to what either you or I have said? Cojawfee posted:I don't know how you can be so obtuse. It's not like the script gods send a script down from heaven and all the bigoted white people said "Oh darn, we have to make this script where a controversial thing happens. We can't get around this, we are forced to do this thing we hate." They still did the things in the first place. They could have just made a safe show within the rules of TV at the time and no one would have cared but they decided to push the boundaries even if the boundaries still had to be within the rules. To our minds today, it seems tame and not a big deal, but it was huge when they aired. What are you talking about? I'm saying I don't think the show was as groundbreaking on social issues as those affiliated with the show love to claim and think it'd be better if they'd be a bit more grounded in their claims. You can disagree with it all you like, but what's so hard to grasp about my point of view.
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Wait are you talking about casting? So you think if an actor gets injured or dies, or just has other commitments a show shouldn't use the character anymore? Or they should but only if they can book the original actors clone? I mean sometimes an actor can define a role to the point were recasting or replacement can hurt, but you seem to object to it happening ever. I think times like the second part of Unification is saved by Leonard Nimoys return but someone like Ziyal from DS9 getting recast didn't seem to be that big of a deal, or the Borg Queen to pick a few examples*. *I honestly didn't notice until I was told.
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Rhyno posted:DS9 2x15 - the one where they beam down and nothing works because the crazy lady has a jammer or something. I can actually see them wanting to stick together since they've been living as a Kibbutz for so long and probably had to come to terms with never seeing anyone from their old lives again. But the way to end that episode on a more positive note (a happy ending isn't really appropriate, "Hurrah, we've defeated the wicked witch who'd stole ten years of our lives!") would be for them to say they were sticking together for now while they worked out what they wanted to do an reconnected with the outside galaxy so they had medicine and weren't living on subsistence levels of living. And decided whether or not they wanted to reconnect with any friends or family from their pasts. You know acknowledge that there is still some issues to be worked out but they now have a chance. Not a smaltzy speech about how important community is. Having watched a lot of the early DS9 episodes again thanks to Netflix I've noticed quite a few of them have a very clumsy happy ending tacked onto them and some really wacky plots, show up, everyone remembers Move Along Home, and rumpelstiltskin , but there's also that one where O'Brien becomes a cult leader in a Bajoran village and has to fight the sky demons, or the one where they all re enact an alien coup and Sisko builds a clock.
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Speaking of TNG and DS9 movies, I've always wodered why Worf was in the last two, in Insurrection he's just there for really poor jokes, and in Nemesis he's just kinda there. I used to think they were just bringing him back to make sure the Worf fans came to the cinema but they didn't really give him much in the way of signature moments. Then I heard that Michael Dorn would only agree to help relaunch DS9 if he was guaranteed a role in every TNG film. And suddenly it all clicked into place.
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In the UK trek would show once a week (Tuesday I believe) on BBC 2 after the simpsons, after that the shows were premièred on cable and when it was finished Trek shows were used to fill out Sky One's schedule after its attempts at original programming fell through and it was just left with the simpsons. You could watch something like four to eight episodes of TNG (in random order which made two parters a real pain) a day, and about the same for Voyager. DS9 was shown once a day at six o'clock in the morning, I discovered that while waiting for a taxi to the airport. It got better in the mid 2000's though, around about the time DVD sales for tv shows became really big, Sky added DS9 back into the mix.
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On a first watch straight after Q Who its pretty bad, but it does have some redeeming qualities. It's hard not to smirk when the ultra smug early TNG crew get outwitted by the morons from outer space, and I can't help but smile as they slap Geordi around with their space lazers.
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Sadly my Warbird figure came with the bottom strut out of its slot so the head kept craning upwards like it was checking for rain, which ruined the threatening aspect somewhat. So I had to make do with the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey, and that Vorcha cruiser model.
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Eh the one with the running joke of "Acting! Grand Nagus Brunt" was dull as dishwater.
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Mogomra posted:I like to imagine that The Sisko just sits in his office all day staring at the wall when he's not one of the main characters in the episode. One of my favourite Picard moments in TNG is in his office shot from behind so we see what's on that little computer pad on his desk. He's just staring at a screensaver, someone comes in, he quickly brushes them off, and as their leaving he goes back to staring at the screensaver. Can't remember what episode that was though. Cythereal posted:I always figured that the Klingon Empire that Worf idolizes never existed. Like the Japanese concept of bushido, it was complete bullshit fabricated by an expansionist, militaristic government to justify wars that in truth were about grabbing territory, grabbing resources, or settling grudges. Worf, being raised among humans, simply wasn't in on the joke. Pretty much, though I get the feeling that on TNG at least some of the creative team didn't really get that and played it straight, even though most Klingon centric episodes were about corruption in the highest circles of power in the Empire. I can't imagine what it must be like for all those none Klingon "citizens" of the Empire.
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That Klingon biologist was a spy for the Romulans, and the Klingon lawyer was trying to frame Worf for war crimes. I shudder to think what heinous evil the Klingon chef was plotting in the background while the crew were distracted by the wormhole.
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Baronjutter posted:Hi TVIV star trek thread, I thought there was only the one trek thread in GBS. Am I allowed to post in both? I like startrek enough to post in 2 threads about it. Don't worry the Mod Warbirds have been lax in punishing violations of the neutral zone, perhaps the unification movement has been gaining ground, or a slave rebellion in anime sub forum.
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Railing Kill posted:
Well actually in DS9 the Terran Empire collapsed because Spock's reforms made them less brutal and murderous, the DS9 mirror universe is ruled by the Klingon-Cardassian-Bajoran alliance, so the comic pantomime villainy is a little more understandable. I still find myself skipping most of the later MU episodes though. I'm glad TNG and Voyager never bothered with them.
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Speaking of rewatching DS9 and plain simple Garak, it never fails to confuse me a little that he's in one episode in series one and we don't see him again till Cardassians. I know he was going to be a one off but they liked what Andrew Robinson did with him so brought him back. But that just makes it even weirder, you have a show set on a cardassian space station and will feature them as antagonists and foils, and you cast a Cardassian character for one episode and that's it, seems like a waste. Oh and yesterday I watched Profit and Loss, (thank you whoever in this thread reminded me of its name, its a good one) and it occured to me that early Garak episodes had a running theme with him meeting old "friends" from his past and then vaporising them. MikeJF posted:I love how Odyssey aside, every time we see a Galaxy in the Dominion war they are gently cruising along kicking arse. Massive, slow, implacable beasts. The Odyssey was probably practising the other, other Picard manoeuvre, enter hostile territory with your shields lowered as a sign of good faith.
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Tsaedje posted:The whole episode was. For context, at the time, the leader of the IRA wasn't allowed to use his own voice on TV and had to be overdubbed by a creepier one. If the leader of the Army Council of the IRA was on television he would've been assassinated shortly after, your thinking of the spokespeople of Sinn Fein. The Oxygen of publicity law applied to all political groups deemed extreme in Northern Ireland, it was weird and pointless, and helped contribute to the continuation of violence since paramilitaries viewed it as a sign that the British government wasn't interested in negotiations. Which given that Thatcher once thought the Cromwell solution (mass ethnic cleansing) would being peace to the six counties, yeah they probably weren't. I watched the episode again now TNG's back on Netflix and I'm impressed they tried to tackle terrorism, but its just abundantly clear that the writing team didn't really understand the subject at all. They also bungle the standard moral solution that TV trots out when trying to tackle violence. The ending has a kid refuse to shoot the officer of the police/army and that's portrayed as a positive step to ending the conflict, but the Enterprise crew have led the army into the rebels main base, got the leader killed, and he was running the whole show, so it looks like one side has triumphed through force of arms. So if we were to apply the message of the episode to Northern Ireland, we would learn that peace will come after the British Army decapitates the Republicans leadership and the survivors give up on a lost cause. Which given how Trek usually deals with conflicts makes this episode a sort of anti Trek.
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I can't watch youtube at work but, yeah I have seen far worse from US media. The whole thing seems to be quite a blind spot. TNG isn't being offensive, its just being really clumsy.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The original script was supposedly more along the lines of 'Picard realizes he's gravitating to supporting the oppressors' or something like that, but then got watered down by the producers who wanted a clear 'good guys beat up the bad guys' finish to the story. The story I read was that they were going for an episode revolving around the American revolution with Picard playing the Lafayette role, and something about the Romulans doing something shady in the background, which forces the crew to come down on one side or the other. The head terrorist does talk about him being like George Washington, despite him not being anything like George Washington, and it being a bit weird how he knows who George Washington was. But then they decided to switch to an episode heavily about Northern Ireland. Which is a shame if true, because that other idea sounds a lot more interesting. Fake edit: checked memory alpha for the High Ground quote:Originally, the plot was intended to have parallels to the American Revolution, but writer Melinda Snodgrass was told to change the analogy to Northern Ireland, a change she was very unhappy about. "I wanted it with Picard as Cornwallis and the Romulans would have been the French, who were in our revolution, trying to break this planet away. Suddenly Picard realized he's one of the oppressors. Instead, we do 'Breakfast in Belfast,' where our people decide they're going to go off to Northern Ireland." I nominate Breakfast in Belfast for the next thread's title.
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Number_6 posted:WTF is it with the B5 cast dying off so fast?! I didn't like Jerry Doyle's politics, and he wasn't the most polished actor, but Garibaldi was a great character. And Jerry nailed it in the last couple of seasons, when Garibaldi was "altered" by the PsiCorps and turned against Sheridan: Don't worry, they've all been reincarnated as Minbari.
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Yeah if your referring to the Coup episodes or the Breen attack they read more like Cold War reactions like the strategy of tension in Italy (replace communists with Changelings) and Pearl Harbour inspired ( a surprise attack by a neutral if hostile power that sides with the enemy), the Maquis as the name suggest were supposed to be like the French resistance though they seemed more like a third world guerrilla movement, in the episodes we saw them playing a big role. I don't really get 9/11 vibe from DS9 at all. Though I first watched the show before 9/11, so maybe its one of those things a newer audience sees when they come to it. Unless of course your all talking about another bit in DS9 I'm forgetting.
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Eh, no that's happened plenty of times before, that was exactly how the Strategy of Tension in Italy was supposed to work, only the plan was exposed before the neo Fascist take over could happen. Pretty much most coups use a deteriorating security situation as justification for the Generals to takeover, and in most cases there's an open question as to whether or not the coup plotters were involved or just deliberately negligent.
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I guess that first paragraph explains why the Ferengi kept twitching and snarling like they were on the mother of all sugar rushes. Out of everything odd and dumb in the last outpost that's the part that really convinced me that these guys were a joke. I'm pretty sure it was the first thing they ditched while hastily retooling them, they don't act like that in the Battle do they?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:A few years ago, Rick Sternbach was selling off binders full of photocopies of the various memos he'd written and received throughout TNG. This reminds me of an anecdote from a writer on one of the many Trek related interviews I've seen. Gene chewed him out over a script proposal because "you don't know the difference between shields and deflectors!"
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Jul 31, 2016 22:37
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Even if the show did explicitly state they were Socialists it would be wrong since socialism is a system were the workers control their own workplaces, and we clearly see that the Federation works on a hierarchy with officers, bosses and seniority of staff. Oh and the Bolians have great big galactic banks. Really the Federation is just a hyper idealised America, and that's true of its economy, its just got rid of the bad things like unemployment, greed, poverty, people having to do work their not suited for to make ends meet, profit motive leading to unethical acts, etc. Yes it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny but It's how Trek deals with all its problems, present a future were the issues of the present aren't issues any more to push the message that things can get better. We don't really see how the Federation overcame racism amongst humans either, the few times human racism is touched on with Sisko on DS9 its set in the 1950's which is in the past for them and the audience. Its just another layer of Star Trek's optimistic future, a bit vague and contradictory but overall pretty good.
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I watched a Matter of Perspective today, I must of confused it with another episode because I skipped it whenever it came up in the queue. It was actually okay as a procedural crime investigation episode. The minor variations were interesting, though I can't help but notice two things, Troi is at the hearings and yet she says that both Riker and his accuser are telling the truth as they remember it. So there's two possibilities here either Troi can't read these aliens, meaning this is yet another case of TNG wasting Troi's special abilities for plot convenience, or they are both being totally honest from their perspective (I guess this is what they were going for given the title). But if that's the case then it seems quite possible that Riker behaved pretty inappropriately. Riker's version of events are that the scientists wife came on to him and he chivalrously declined her advances. But the wife says he practically held her down while she begged him to stop. Riker even calls her version attempted rape. So that's a pretty big difference in perspective there. And if they both believe there version happened either one is delusional or the truth was a mix of the two. (Insert joke about Riker being sex fiend here) I wasn't expecting that. I was genuinely expecting it to be revealed that the widow was framing Riker for the murder of her husband and it was all some sort of bluff but she's completely innocent, meaning she did genuinely believe Riker tried to pin her down and force himself on her. I'm not surprised the show dropped this before the episode ended. Oh and apparently this episode says that a hologram created machine acts just like the real thing, its how they crack the case in the end and save Riker from the gas chamber. P.S. The episode opens with Picard painting a nude model, his painting looks like an ugly attempt at Picasso's cubism, and Data mercilessly tells him how poor and ugly a painting it is. This now one of my favourite Data moments.
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