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SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
All this time, I was thinking Sonic 2 had an extra boss if you got all the emeralds like Sonic 3. In fact, I actually thought they just had the same boss copy/pasted across two games. I remember the first time I watched a friend reach the end of Sonic 2. The final stage giving you no rings is absolutely brutal even if Mecha Sonic is really easy.

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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

FredMSloniker posted:

Please do! And if I get inspired to make any more D-pad fanart, what's the best venue for me to share it with you?

I think the easiest / most reliable place would be our Twitter page, I'm usually keeping an eye on it, and use it for general chatting and such all the time!

As for the next game on the slate, this one's a bit of an odd duck, even by spinoff standards...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJT7pbq3us8

TheFattestPat
Dec 28, 2012

Santa Cat Says: Good deeds are the things to always do, just make sure someone is watching you
I do miss the old genesis Sonic, but I do not miss Sega of America's obsession with trying to make the franchise dark and gritty.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Yeah, honestly I think Sonic would always have done better as a genuine perma-'90s icon instead of trying to get with the edginess of the 2000s. It always felt a little too cartoony for the serious situations they stuck him in. "Oh no, the world is ending! Quick, call the 40-inch anthropomorphic blue rodent!"

And while we're on the subject of the world crumbling around us, here's the other half of SegaSonic the Hedgehog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rit5L_b9NI

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
As far as I can tell, the controls for Segasonic were designed around the fact that arcade trackballs can free wheel. Which isn't really something that computer equipment can replicate, in addition to the fact that it's isometric which isn't something that most Dpads are designed to do that well.


In something Super Adventure Rockman related, you should probably either look up the English translation of Electrical Communication, or have Lindsey do it for you. Because I seem to remember it being insane word salad.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
GLIP GLOP BOOPIN' FASTMAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHFFXiZSfMg

...in all seriousness, I'm severely disappointed that there's still no "multi-cam" option on YouTube. I was hoping to post an alternate "angle" of the series that plays the US soundtrack for any of you heathens who prefer it to the groovin'er JP one.

Might just upload the other ones separately? I don't know.

TheFattestPat
Dec 28, 2012

Santa Cat Says: Good deeds are the things to always do, just make sure someone is watching you
Alright, I love some Sonic CD. It's weird though, with Sonic games you want to run as fast as possible to the end of the stage, but with CD you want to slow down and look around the levels so you can time travel and find the robot generator. Personally I love taking time to look around the levels in the four different layouts. I'm sure most people never bother to even go to the two futures. I always thought it would be nice if there was a teleporter at the end of the stage so you could go back to the start if you wanted to.

Seriously, what the hell was going on with Sega in the 90's? Who was running the company? I can't get over the mountain of bad decisions and terrible management they had going on.

Paused
Oct 24, 2010
Someone was running the company?!

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Sonic CD's idea of no bottomless pits is a fantastic idea for level design. Why would they not continue doing that?

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
I think ultimately the choice was between "levels can be dangerous but smaller" vs. "levels can be sprawling but kinder", and they opted to go for skill over size. I'll be honest, I kinda like the direction they ultimately stuck with, I've never really been all that pleased with Sonic CD's level design. It all just feels really sorta... I don't know, not "amateur", just not very well thought out. It's like it's too bumpy or something, I don't know.

Anyhow, very last night I was able to scramble and get two episodes posted, don't know how long it'll last but as long as it does...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPwzzn0XBkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQjHsJ7rGWU

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I am a monument to all your sins

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Oh god, I've seen that video -- happened to be looking at my Subscriptions feed when it broke. That is one colossally awkward event, top to bottom, good lord. It's pretty well up there with the PlayStation 3 reveal.

Let's look back to kinder days, yes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuO6t73Twc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOx5Y87oMKY

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I always liked the Metal Sonic race. It was a nice change of pace, especially since other Sonic CD bosses are kind of a huge pain.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

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I can definitely dig it, it's a neat addition to the game that I kinda wish was present in other games around the same time.

And now, as a little bonus for everybody (and one we weren't initially planning on, to boot), here's John and I playing as Tails while talkin' 'bout life 'n stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKV6dtcLNQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Wb0S_TApw

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
And now for the second half:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ZsNmotRLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCP6E0s_6YA

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Tails managed to beat Metal Sonic is way less tries than Sonic. Who's the real sidekick here?

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



SonicRulez posted:

Tails managed to beat Metal Sonic is way less tries than Sonic. Who's the real sidekick here?

Up to Sonic 3, Tails could do anything Sonic could, but also fly.

Speaking of Tails; how does his AI in Sonics 2 and 3 actually work? It seems programmed to try spin dashes at certain points...

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
That's a real good question... I should do some research on that. I'll get back to you if I find anything out!

In the meantime, let's get chaotic up in this bitch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSZkHBbZSM

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Is Tails' AI not as simple as him doing whatever you tell Sonic to do? I thought, like in the Sonic 2 special stages, he just followed your button inputs at a slight delay.

Sonic Chaos is neat. I'm pretty sure that's one of the Game Gear ones that I beat in Sonic Adventure DX.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

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Most of the time, yes. Tails usually matches what the player does, but there are plenty of times in both Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 where Tails seems to go rogue for a moment. He doesn't seem to Spin Dash when Sonic does (and seems to choose to do so randomly when you sit still, too). Otherwise, he does mostly keep pace with Sonic.

Also, I'm beginning to remember how much I hated these Special Stages...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOiaq5kRhw

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Tails had two game gear games, one only came out in Japan

quote:

Witchcart, an old human witch who rides around in a specialised rail cart on an island she claims as her own, and is the main villain. She claims she is able to turn any dissenters into crystal. In the game, the goal of Tails is to free the island and its inhabitants from her tyranny.
It is very Japanese.

Dresh
Jun 15, 2008

hrmph.

And it finally got a western release along with the other Game Gear games included in Adventure DX and Gems Collection. I thought it was kinda interesting what the comics did with her, making her a troll and twin sister of the wizard Naugus.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Hey guys. Like I said in the other thread, things have been pretty aggressively complicated lately, but this past weekend was the bachelor party I'd been spending so much time stressing about, so things should finally start to breathe in the immediate future. The next Sonic video will go up late tomorrow, and we're gonna be hustling on catching the series up (since we've lost a week's worth of time by now). As a result of last week's insanity, I didn't get a chance to come in and share the latter half of Sonic Chaos, so here that is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDcvDmA40Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k492hw2dXE4

All in all, an unusually short-feeling game, but one with a lot more going for it (in my opinion) than the previous two Game Gear platformers. Next time, we're gonna take things in a bit of a weirder direction!

Dresh
Jun 15, 2008

hrmph.
You guys run an emulator right? Since you mention the limited screen real estate I'm a bit surprised you don't just use the Master System versions when available, it at least would have made the first boss in Sonic 2 a bit more bearable.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
The only things we emulate currently are games for the Game Gear and Wonderswan (with occasional N64/GCN-era stuff only because the normal captured video looks horrible) -- we do have a Game Gear capture device, we just need to actually install it and we should be able to record directly from the handheld.

Sonic 2 on Game Gear was a conscious choice, both because it was never released in the United States on the Master System, and... because it makes the game harder. Had I anticipated just how much harder, I might not have gone with it.

Hoss Corncave
Feb 13, 2012
You didn't miss much with the true ending to Sonic Chaos (or at least on the Master System version). After Eggman escapes in his lift, he drops the final Chaos Emerald and then the ending is just Sonic running back with a massive Chaos Emerald over him which changed colour every so often.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Oh gross, I totally do remember that now. I got it as a kid a couple times, and I remember always feeling pretty well gypped for all that awkward Emerald hunting. It was a big, awkward round one too.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
You'd think filming John and I separately would make producing the video easier. You'd apparently be wrong, I guess. Either way, now that our 2500th Let's Play video has come and gone, today we're kicking off our newest Sonic game: Sonic Spinball!

Kill me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZpjVY_X-10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4OCzCV05A

ricdesi fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 2, 2016

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So far, John's put up a decent fight, and sadly... yeah, we're going to start relying on savestates for really bad situations. This game is absolutely cruel, and we don't want another Kirby's Pinball Land situation on our hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMMRWqy_HA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o04GNalNilw

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
The weird thing is that Sonic + Pinball should be a slamdunk. It's really not a stretch to put the two together. Spinball is just so drat unforgiving though and the parts where you're meant to play as regular Sonic are all weird. It really should've just been straight up furry blue pinball.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
If it's any consolation (and I suppose this is a bit of a spoiler if you were understandably not paying much attention during Sonic's attempted - and successful - revival during its "Sonic + Nintendo" phase in the early 2000s while Sega was more or less on fire), Sega ultimately did prove that "Sonic + pinball" could totally work if they played it a little straighter. It just took an extra decade to get there. It's actually better than Kirby's Pinball Land and Sonic Spinball put together, and the soundtrack is weirdly enough one of the best parts about it.

Unfortunately, in the meantime...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_FlQ8cDLBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMn8vMmr80

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I played Warioland 4 and I was like "well I like the pinball zone well enough, but I wish it was more....pinball-y."

After watching these video I have reconsidered my opinion.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

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Oh god, yeah I would take that over this in a heartbeat. At least the commentary is keeping things moving while John and C/J struggle with their collective sanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45MnVYNPPfc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gr5E2n0mQ

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
And in the final batch of catching up on our schedule, I present to you one of the single funniest episodes I think we've ever produced. And also one that made us angry all over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvjHa1kD184 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIsHHV04Fgo

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Load State is actually a good stripper na-:commissar:

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Hahaha, I could roll with it. She sure as poo poo got plenty of action tonight, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLgC7Y-_iJk

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Thank heavens, that was torturous. That is a seriously cruel boss for a game that has limited lives and no continues. I'd understand if it was legit pinball or some arcade game. Those are meant to eat quarters. This was just evil.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


The physics seem really inconsistent too. And the path you need to go into are really angular to boot. So even when you're aiming, there is still no guarantee you'd get where you're going.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Honestly, if the physics were better, I might actually be a lot more forgiving of this game. Maybe it's just the trauma this thing inflicted on me and my six AA batteries as a kid, but of the 158 games we've played on the channel so far, this is without question a "Bottom 5" candidate for me. Entirely possible for this to be the worst, even beyond Mega Man III.

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Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
I actually really liked this game growing up, with the caveat that I rarely, if ever, got as far as level 4 and never saw the final boss.

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