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 The Turtle Manjusri which encodes all the astrological information in one handy painting. The white-on-white color scheme for the bottom two animals probably isn't the best graphical decision for this particular painting! A little under a year ago, on a walk in the woods with my Lama, I mentioned that Sorig Institute, a major producer of Tibetan medicine and incense, was soon to be offering classes on Tibetan Medicine online. I asked my Lama, if I took those classes and studied Tibetan medicine, would that be good? And he said no, not really. But if I studied Tibetan astrology, that would be good. The results of this brief conversation are born out in this thread, as my first round of training is now complete. In a week I leave for a monastery in Ladakh, India where I will be improving my Tibetan speaking skills, studying the mechanical parts of the ritual (music, preparing offerings, and so on) and so on, and continuing my studying and translating the text I am training in. For now, I need to continue practicing, and that is part of my motivation for this thread. About Tibetan Astrology Tibetan "Astrology" is a bit of a misnomer. The word typically translated as "astrology," རྩིས་ rtsis, means reckoning, calculation, estimation, or computation. It comes by the name "astrology" based on comparison to the Western astrological system that was or is used for similar reasons, and the common translation of the Chinese "zodiac" which is somewhat related. The word for an astrologer in Tibetan is also the word for an accountant. Tibetan astrology comes in two forms, called Kartsi and Naktsi, or Jungtsi. Kartsi is based on Vedic astrology and the Kalachakra Tantra. There is a funny relationship in the naming of both Kartsi and Naktsi. The Tibetan word for India is "gyakar" or "white-country" and the Tibetan word for China is "gyanak" or "black country." It is believed that this comes from the common clothes found in both of those countries, but this is just speculation. Kartsi, however, is not called that because it comes from India. It is called Kartsi because it is actually astrology - it is based on the Indian Vedic astrological system that uses constellations and the movement of planets through celestial domains and houses, similar and related to Western astrology. "Kar" in this case comes from the Tibetan word སྐར་ skar, meaning "star." Kartsi astrology historically was used mainly for making calendars. It actually tracks the movement of celestial bodies and so was useful for calendars. It also was used to determine whether certain days were good or bad for certain religious practices, and again, for putting that information into calendars. As my teacher has mentioned, today, that's not as useful. You can buy a calendar easily, being able to make one isn't all that important. Kartsi, as it relates to the Kalachakra Tantra, is also used to calculate and predict world-eras and so on, but this is a pretty specialized thing looking at global epochs and so on within Buddhist cosmology, and so isn't all that useful outside of the niche. Jungtsi means "elemental calculations" as opposed to Kartsi's "star calculations." It is also called "naktsi," which comes from the confusion about white and black and where it comes from. Because most Tibetans outside the monasteries were illiterate, they could hear that people were talking about "kartsi" and also that it came from "gyakar," so they assumed that kartsi meant "white astrology" because it was from the "white-country." The more generally common system of prediction used by the Tibetan shamans of the time, therefore, contrasted by being "naktsi," or "black calculations," because it was related to the system from gyanak, the "black country," China. Jungtsi is related to Chinese "astrology" in several major ways. It does not use stars much at all - the naming conventions of months come from the star that is ascendant on the full moon of a given lunar month, and if someone wants to go as deep as possible in an electional calculation, they might look at a given particular day's star and see what things are good to do under that star. That said, normally nobody does much with the stars. Instead, Jungtsi is largely interested in the cycle of the five elements and 12 animal signs in years, months, days, and hours, as well as the cycle of "mewas" related to a magic number square, and the cycle of "parkhas" related to the cardinal and ordinal directions and the Chinese trigrams. What would any of this be used for? Tibetan astrology is primarily interested in horary and electional astrology. Horary is designed to make predictions for particular times, and electional astrology helps make decisions for when to do certain things. In the West, we are used to people using astrology for predicting personality and so on. This can be done, sort of, with TIbetan astrology, but it is imprecise and also not of much interest to Tibetans. The generally belief about astrology is that because karma, the cycle of cause and effect, and the universe is all interdependently originated, by looking at the cycles, we can get broad pictures of possible trends - what the inclination for a time would be and how that inclination would impact specific people. It cannot predict with certainty particular events because those things are all supported by cause and effect, an individual's karma, which is not perfectly knowable except to a Buddha. So for example I might look at a day and it comes back "hey, you shouldn't go up on high mountains on Friday." Now, maybe you go on the high mountain and everything is fine, because you don't have any karma, personally, for being hurt on that day. That's super great. But why take chances, if you can just go on the high mountain some other day? And if by doing some kind of rituals or practices, or hiring a shaman to do them for you, you can mitigate some of that danger, why not? Of course, from the Western scientific point of view, that's rubbish - it makes vague predictions and then accepts confirmation as evidence while discounting failures. Fortunately it's not pitched as a scientific system. It's part of the cultural and religious beliefs of the Tibetan people. So this is Buddhism and Buddhism is a dumb religion with dumb superstitions? This is a branch of Tibetan Buddhism, but it's not part of Buddhism as such. The mythoogy of astrology claims that this is a system by which the astrologer can discover karmic patterns and use those karmic patterns to make very limited predictions of the future. It is described as a branch off of the trunk of Buddhism - you never need to go out on that branch, but without Buddhism itself there is no branch, either. It depends somewhat on Buddhism, but Buddhism doesn't depend on it at all. For discussion of Buddhism, you can join us in the Buddhism A/T thread. Okay, so what do you calculate? Right now, I have completed the training in a system called Kektsi Chusum-ma, or "13 Obstacle Calculations," from the astrological text "The Treasure-Storehouse of Desires," a lesser known text in the West on account of it having been, to my knowledge, previously untranslated into English. In the future, I will also be able to calculate bak-tsi, which predicts good times for marriages and so on, ne-tsi, which makes predictions about the potential courses of illnesses and is generally done in conjunction with Tibetan medicine, and some other electional processes. Obstacle divination is a form of horary, looking at four or five forces, srog, lue, wang, and lung. Srog is the life-force energy, related to how vivacious one is, their general life-sustaining forces. Lue relates to health, the energy of the body. Wang is often translated as power or capacity, and refers to one's capabilities, such as wealth, power, influence, and so on. Lung refers to one's luck, and generally relates to the others. All four of these forces are determined by one's birth year, as they rotate on a 60 year cycle of elements and animal signs, which determine the calculation. By comparing the relations of one's own birth elements to those of a year, month, day, or hour, we can get some idea of what to watch out for, and then within Buddhism we can prescribe certain practices or prayers. Outside of Buddhism it becomes a matter of familiarity with the practices of a person - so if a Christian's wang is weak at some point in time, I might suggest praying for some money, or practicing generosity generally, helping poor people, and so on, as these are things that can bring good karma for wealth or influence. For a Buddhist, I would suggest specific types of practices, which the book straight up prescribes. Tibetans use this kind of astrology to plan their years, to plan trips, and so on. If they are about to start a journey, they may consult a Kalachakra based calendar that specifically says "this is a bad day to start a journey." If they are very concerned, they might consult an astrologer, who can calculate for them specifically whether it's good or bad to do things, and how to mitigate that. Beyond the animal signs, I calculate mewas, which further inform us regarding years, months, days, and hours generally, and then through comparison with a person's own mewas, specifically to individuals. I also calculate parkhas, which give the best directions to travel for seeking out specific things, as well as what kinds of obstacles lie in specific directions. I can do this again for a general daily and hourly cycle, as well as for individuals. Typically, for all of these, it is said that the year is like the king, the month the minister, the day is like a soldier, and the hour is like a sword. The yearly information is the most important and the most influential, down to the hour, which is not nearly as influential or important. All of these things - animal signs, years, months, days, hours, mewas, and parkhas, are constituted by elements. Comparing the elements of a person (from their birth year) to the elements of the target times is the primary method for determining their interaction. This Thread Part of my motivation for making this thread is that I now need to practice by doing calculations for a lot of different people. Rather than randomly accosting people I know in my actual life and going "hey man what year were you born???" I figured why not do this stuff for the Internet? If you'd like to know about this year for you, feel free to post your birth year and, if it's before March, the month and day. The reason I need that information is that the calculation is based on the Tibetan Lunar Year. Tibetan New Year is the first new moon in Spring, so if it's before March or so it's possible that you may have been born the year before. Tibetan ages start at 1, as is common in China. So your age is generally +1, but prior to your birthday and after Losar in a given year you are +2. The most calculations I can do for obstacles right now are 47, but a few of the back half require a lot of weirdly detailed information, like the year, month, day, and hour of your grandparents' deaths, the age of your mother when you were born, and so on, the birth year of your spouse, and so on. I probably won't get that involved for people in this thread unless they are just super into it. The long and short of that is that if your relatives die at a certain time your family has bad karma for that time already, so those times become more likely to bring obstacles. I don't calculate entire families yet, that, and the calculation of good times for weddings, are things I will be trained in after I return from India, as the methods of calculation are different. The text from which I will be pulling the prescriptive information (what you should do if you have certain things) is in literary Tibetan so it will take me some time to translate some things. The calculations themselves take very little time. I am a decent astrologer in practice - traditionally it's said there are three kinds of astrologers. Good astrologers need only their hand for calculations (we used a hand technique moving the thumb around on the fingers to calculate things), mediocre astrologers need their hand and their lap (to hold a book, geeze), and bad astrologers need all sorts of things all around them. I am mediocre right now, there are still some things I haven't memorized and some things I need to double check myself on - perfection comes with practice, and that's what my agenda is here. I am also happy to answer general questions about Tibetan astrology overall, but I know very little about the Kalachakra system and Kartsi, and I'm not intimately familiar with the White Beryl collection of Tibetan astrological texts common in the West that you may have read something about. I'll do my best though! Edit: I leave in a week for Ladakh so answers will probably become pretty slow until I get back in August, but I'll follow closely for the next week. Today Is: 4th July 2016 Tibetan: Fire Monkey Year 2143, Water Sheep Second Saga-Dawa , Wood Ox 30th Day Today's Daily Mewa: 9-Red Today's Daily Parkha: Khen, Sky, North-West About This Year This year is the Fire Monkey Year. Its life-force is Iron, health is Fire, capacity is Fire, and Luck is Wood. The mewa for this year is 2-Black. As a black year, it is a universally bad year for everyone, but just how bad still depends on the individual. If You'd Like A Calculation Please provide your year of birth and your gender. If you were born before March, please provide your date of birth entirely so I can determine if it's before or after the Tibetan new year. If you want a calculation for a particular time, provide the date you're interested in. If you want a calculation for a particular time for a particular activity, include all of that and I can do my best. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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DarthBlingBling posted:Will I be rich? Are you already rich? Because that would help. It's a good year for your wealth if you were born in an Earth year or a Water year.
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HopperUK posted:I was born in 1978! How's this year looking for me? 1978 is the year of the Earth Horse. Your birth mewa is 4-Green. Your descending-mewa (yearly changing mewa) is 8-White. Your Life-Force is Fire Health is Fire Power is Earth Luck is Iron Generally, Horses have a great enthusiasm for virtue. They aren't good with talking. They take pleasure from life and enjoy playing games. They tend to speak excitedly, and don't sleep much. They have lots of ups and downs, and strive for the welfare and purposes of others. Earth Horse has short willpower and isn't firm on his words. They have a lot of obstacles for accumulating merit. From enemies and sicknesses there are five difficult periods in life. Capable of two male children. This year is pretty good for your life force. It's a mixed year for your health. It's good for wealth. It's pretty good for luck. All that's recommended for the mixed health is giving alms and planting some kind of plant? Also of course cleanliness, personal hygiene, things like this are good. Your direction for this year is Tsin (Wood), East. If you need medical care, or to help mitigate the weak health-energy, you want to head Southeast. For sustaining your lifeforce, you want to go South. For glory, North. If you want to gamble, East. The other directions are bad for various reasons. If you want to see the gobbledygook I did to find those things out, here is a picture of the chart as I drew it. It's in Tibetan, I'll try to do future ones in English but I learned in Tibetan so I have to kind of translate in my head when I do that.  Edit: I also assumed you're male, I need that information so I'll update the OP with it. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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HopperUK posted:Oh dear! I'm female. But thank you very much! I am actually really pleased to tell you that your parkha, which rotates different directions and starts in different locations based on gender, is remarkably symmetrical, so nothing changes in this case. I will maybe post tomorrow about hand technique, perhaps with a quick video or something, but I can demonstrate the way that works. In any case, the chart is still accurate and doesn't change in this case haha
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/HEY GAL posted:Female, 1981. Give me the entire rundown with specific attention to: what do my future job prospects look like (a year and a half from now, applying for jobs), and what do I have to do for the specific aims I have to be successful? (I have two, one job-related and one personal.) I did two here, one for next month, and one for the 4th Lunar Month of 2017. Your birth year is Iron Bird. Birds generally do not have much "mother's wealth." To be honest I do not understand what this means. They are ruled by desire and have a lot of attachment to their own appearance. They don't sleep much and sometimes can be doubting or of low intelligence. Iron Bird in particular has a mind with a lot of attachment to glory, power and influence, wealth, grains, food, drink, and so on. They are mainly influenced by people. They generally live 70 years, and have seven difficult periods. They can have four male children. Life-force is Iron, Health is Water, Capacity is Iron, Luck is Water. This is not a great next few years. This present year is bad for your life force. Your health is okay this year. Your power this year is bad, and you need to take care not to lose wealth. Your luck is also not good, and it suggests cleaning temples and religious monuments to help this.  Next year is also not going to be good, because next year is the Fire Bird year. Your own year and the year following (for women) are not good years. Next year beyond that is also elementally very difficult. Your life force next year is bad, same as this year. Your health is again good, but your power is even worse next year, and it would be wise to practice charity and so on to try to protect this. Your luck next year is mixed. On top of all this, this year is a Mewa of 2-Black, generally and universally not good. Next year is a mewa of 1-White, which is generally good, except your own birth Mewa is 1-White, which brings some trouble. Particularly for next year I looked at the Water Sheep month which is May into June. For you, the best months for looking for a job would be the Earth Months, Tiger and Rabbit, which come actually at the end of this year, around November and December. Of these, Tiger is better because Rabbit is the opposite of Bird. Then Mouse and Ox, which come Late-Summer and Autumn of next year, as these are Earth days that are the mother of your Iron wealth energy. For days within those months, earth days would come. I can really sit down and work on a calendar at some point, I hope you have PMs.  For accomplishing your particular goals, again, look for Earth days. I would look at this year as best for this kind of thing, next year and the year after will be difficult generally. However within those years there are windows that are not so bad. To accomplish your goals this year, the best direction to travel is West. Next year, it will be South-East. As I mentioned before I revisited this both to correct the mistakes with the Lokmen I mentioned earlier as well as to look a little deeper. This year the lokmen doesn't show anything, but next year is your che-drel, the divorce, separation, and so on from later on in the page. There's a big risk from that, especially as it comes on top of it being your own animal year, as well as your own mewa. I will continue with PMs for the specific dates and such. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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Thirteen Orphans posted:A dude, 1987. Fire Rabbit. Rabbits have small appetites and great intellects. They are skillful and not bad. There's danger of illnesses from bile. Fire Rabbits particularly are full of praise for themselves and deprecate others. They like women and deprecate religion. They are automatically skilled and make good use of whatever wealth comes. They have danger from land-owner spirits and earth-ruler spirits. They get sickness like boils and depression. The lifespan is 75 and there are seven difficult periods. Life-force is Wood, Health is Fire, Power is Fire, Luck is Fire. Straight up this is a bad year, the second mistake I caught that I have made on all of these (inverting the lok-men order) means even the life-force is not good.. This year is the same element as your birth year, which is not good, and next year is your opposition year, which will bring trouble next year. Life-force, health, and wealth this year are going to be weak. It's a troublesome year and it's likely you should make propitiatory offerings, prayers, volunteer at churches, give alms, and so on. Make meritorious commitments and follow through on them. This is also the first time I've seen someone with three forces all on the same element, that's pretty neat. Times that are heavily water, so water year, water months, water days, water hours, would be not so good.   I screwed this one up last night, caught it on review this morning. My wife had a guest over and I was distracted while doing the calculation. In fact, even if I had had the descending-mewa correct, which I did not, I would have been wrong because I went the wrong direction with the fire-water relationship.I have corrected this now and apologize. The second mistake I caught that I've been making makes this yet worse. Sorry. 
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SubjectVerbObject posted:Male born 1969. ཕྱི་ལོ་༡༩༦༩་འདི་ལོ་པ་ས་བྱ་རེད། Someone born in this year is an Earth Bird. Earth bird has clear wisdom but it is unstable. They are prideful, jealous, and miserly and have a lot of craving and attachment, but they love people. There is great degeneration of eyes and other sense organs caused by bile. The lifespan is seventy with seven difficult periods, and there can be as many as six male children. སྲོག། ལྕགས་ ལུས། ས་ དབང་། ས་ ཀླུང་། ཏུ་ Life-force is Iron, Health is Earth, Power is Earth, Luck is Water. A cursory glance at this year is actually very good, although the life-force is weak. You should see if there is a Bonpo, Ngakpa, or Monk near you who can perform a la-lu བླ་བསླུ་ give you instruction so you can make tsa-tsa, and then if you can attend a long-life empowerment (Amitayus, White Tara, Namgyalma, etc) that is very good, better if you keep up the practice. Demon-pacifying rituals are also good here. The extended look has your health as good enough, but power and luck are mixed. For health, it's sufficient to keep yourself clean and to purify through making offerings to monks and giving alms. Wealth can come and go unstably, so wealth summoning practices are good here (Dzambhala, Kurukulle, like this). For luck, befriend higher up people and support people down on their luck. Practice the White Umbrella practice. This year and next year will be generally difficult years on account of this being the year prior to your birth year, and next year being your birth year. Continue practicing Dharma, this really helps here. I also wanted to give you the mewa information - you can get acute pains and pustules this year from having the 4 birth mewa with the 3 descending mewa. You you perform smoke offerings for local deities and pacify child-tormenting demons.  For you I will add, please forgive my handwriting.
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Mo Tzu posted:transgender woman, born 1989. i'm actually kind of interested in how that works, do i count as a man karmically speaking, as a woman, or as one of those "man turned into woman" things you hear about in the pali cannon? So I was actually anticipating this question when I added the gender bit. Obviously a however many centuries old text doesn't address this question directly, and I am certain my teacher will tell me "you're the astrologer, you have to decide." My inclination is to calculate someone's gender according to how they identify. If someone is born biologically male but identifies as female and they claim they have always been female, then I will calculate is if they were born female. If they claim they changed at some point, then I calculate male until that point, and female from that point on. The calculations involving gender are based on the i-ching trigrams which are used to inform the calculations of directions. Some calculations use the gender of the animal sign, and some calculations use the actual person's gender. I don't see a compelling reason to calculate a person's gender as anything other than how they identify. If I were doing medical astrology, which I have not learned yet, I suspect the answer would depend on if a person is pre or post transition. In either case, your birth sign is the Earth Snake. Snakes are brutal and greatly predisposed to anger. They are brave and have a great emotional force. Even so, they have a heavy mouth (unsure of this meaning). They are not influenced by negative talk. For men, they get sickness in the diaphragm. Earth Snakes have powerful minds and are able to skillfully employ their wealth. They steal, rob, and destroy their enemies. They defile people's wealth. They will kill anything that is born. They have pride and jealousy. They have intensely passionate minds. Great laziness, they like to sleep and hang out. They can have six children. They live to 79. They have four difficult periods. They die from stabbing or from cancer. (Side note:  The author of this book really didn't like snakes).Life force is fire, Health is wood, Power is earth, Luck is water. (I'm probably going to look at the internal interactions on those later, because there are so many diverse ones it might be fun). This year is good for your life-force, but bad for your health. It's very good for your wealth. It's good for your luck. Next year is going to be your own birth mewa, that's can bring some obstacles. Travel southwest for glory, northwest to support your life-force, northeast for medicine, and west for increasing your fortune.  Canine Blues Arooo posted:So do you actually believe in any of this? Do you think there is actual value in the calculations in astrology, or do you do it purely 'for fun'? Yes, I do believe it has value. I believe it has value on its own, for the calculation of correct dates to perform rituals and so on within Buddhism. I think it also has a mitigative protective value psychologically, at the very least. It certainly has value within the culture from which it was born as it is used and relied upon for decision making. Personally, I also believe that it has predictive value because I believe that it is a system for divination, but there are a billion caveats on things. Generally, while I acknowledge the value behind the predispositions I'm listing at the beginning of these things, I'm only mentioning them because generally Westerners like reading that kind of stuff - I don't find it particularly important what the personality traits of a person are based on their year-sign because they might not be accurate, and if they are I'll find out soon enough. Basically, yes, I do generally believe in this stuff as it branches off my religious tradition, and I am particularly, within my religious tradition, focused on ritual. Astrology informs ritual, as you can see with SVO's chart above, by giving advice on what practices to perform, what rituals to attend, and so on. I also totally believe you can go your whole life without knowing any of this stuff and be just fine. Ultimately, what I believe regarding it isn't nearly as important as what the subject who requests a calculation believes. In Tibetan culture, this is consulted frequently when going on trips, getting married, starting businesses, and so on. Most Tibetans I've met really believe in all of this, as it is a branch of their religious tradition. Because of that, it ultimately isn't that important whether there's some material value to it - there is spiritual value. But I guess the short answer you're looking for is, yes, more or less. If it's my Sky-Door year and I have to go up to a great height, I'm going to be much more cautious I suppose. I'm not going to avoid things I otherwise might do, because I also believe that if it's my karma to getrekt by something, I will, but yeah, I might take it into account. I'd be a lovely astrologer if I couldn't endorse my own product. But for example I haven't calculated my trip to Ladakh at all - why bother? I'm going anyhow, and I do my Dharma practices anyhow, so there's not too much I can do if it does turn out that the astrology says I shouldn't fly in airplanes on those days. Basically, I believe that these calculations can provide some kind of useful information that people can use to inform their decisions, but it shouldn't be the entire thing that people use to make all their decisions. If the doctor says you've got double cancer, and astrology says your health and life-force are fine, listen to the doctor. 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deathbot posted:A lady, 1989! This is a very interesting peek into something I didn't even know existed. The post just before yours is also a lady born in 1989, so that information will be the same. So as not to be disappointing that you don't get a calculation done just for you, if you're interested in a particular date and time I can do that for you tomorrow at some point! I will also, tomorrow, go into a little more detail on the mewas for this birth year and also do the interactional interpretation, since there are two of you now who might be curious.  I'm glad people are finding the thread interesting. I don't expect people to believe I have some kind of magic bullet answers because I don't even think this is that. I am glad to get the chance to practice, and also to expose people to an aspect of a culture that is struggling to maintain its identity post-occupation. And, of course, for people who do believe in the value of these kinds of calculations, I'm happy to be able to provide that, as I have spent a good deal of time training and will continue to train further in the future.
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Grognan posted:87, male, June. I am curious Fire-Rabbit, like Thirteen Orphans. I had made a mistake on his, but it's corrected now. It's an overall mixed year, good for life-force but you need to attend to your health and power/wealth. Ataxerxes posted:82, male, August. Seems interesting. Water Dog. Dogs generally are proud and wrathful. They think a lot and like war and fighting. They have great attachment and craving, and loyalty. Water dogs are very miserly. They are destroyed by sickness and enemies. Their body is marked with many unpleasant marks. They endeavor towards immoral and nonvirtuous deeds. They are often sick. Their lifespan is 63 and they do not have many children. Your life-force is Earth, Health is Wood, Power is Water, Luck is Iron. Alright, I redid this one. Life force is not good; health, power are both good. Luck is bad, generally this is fixed by cleaning and taking care of religious centers and things like this. For the life-force, take a vacation and things like this, also life-ransoming rituals and so on since I'm doing a bunch of Buddhisty stuff out of the book. However, I caught on the second pass (got some coffee in me) that this is a Bird year for your Lokmen and you are male. That means this is a che-drel year for you. Translating directly: "Divorce, separation, quarrels, and disputes. Resentment within the family. Diseases will spring up. Perform a (Bonpo shamanic practice for escaping divorce). Prepare three days worth of grains. Get a long life empowerment. [Get them shamans to do a ritual for ransoming your power and riches]." So, the outlook is not as rosy as it was in the prior version. Teach me to try to do lok-men all fast. 
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A Note on Mistakes I mentioned in the OP that my motivation for a lot of this is training. I've been going back and correcting charts from earlier where appropriate. Most charts were fine, but when calculating my own chart (for Vlad Poutine, sup Fire Tiger Bro) I realized I've been inverting the lok-men table. In order to make sure I don't do this any more I'm going to explain my mistake as best as I can. Lok-men, or "no return," is calculated by traveling through the 60 year cycle forward to one's own age from the child of the birth element as Tiger (for men) or from the mother of the birth element as Monkey (for women) in the appropriate direction. That year is the lok-men, and portends a bad year. However, lok-men is also used to calculate relative to the birth year as part of the "big picture" on the yearly outlook. The quick outlook compares the birth-year to the current-year and looks at those relations, the more elaborate outlook looks at the birth year, lok-men, dar-gud (if you are looking very precisely, I haven't done this for anyone except SVO briefly), bap-me, and bap-par, and then weighs the good versus the bad for a kind of average. When you do that, you proceed from the birth year forward 5, backward 5, forward 8, and backward 8. I had flipped those, going backward 5, forward 5, and so on. You then take the birth aspect you're looking at, for example, life-force, and compare it to the same aspect of the animal you land on from the lok-men. For the most part, this doesn't change anyone's chart. Poor Thirteen Orphan's chart becomes even worse, it is entirely bad now with mixed luck. Other than that it mostly did not change weight. For the couple people who are very interested I will redo those charts. From this post forward that mistake will be avoided. Anyhow, when I catch up on the current chart requests I'll be going back and correcting everything that was done wrong. If the drawn chart is done in RED then I have corrected it and double checked it. If it's in black and before this post, I may not have checked it or it might not have made a significant difference. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Vladimir Poutine posted:Interesting thread! Fire Tiger, and definitely a chart I'm familiar with. I'm glad you came early also because doing your chart and getting a result different from what I remember showed me that I was making a mistake, mentioned in the post above. Tigers are brave and prone to anger. They have a great passion and emotional strength, but an unrefined manner. They think a lot but don't act on those thoughts, and they enjoy business. Fire Tigers specifically are belligerent and arrogant. They tend to have chronic diseases. They lack reverence. They don't have much will-power. They can have four children. The lifespan is seventy-nine and they have five difficult periods. Life force is Wood, Health is Fire, Power is Fire, Luck is Iron. This year is the monkey year, the oppositional sign to the tiger, which is very difficult. It is also the fire year, the same element as the fire tiger, and so that also brings obstacles. On top of this, it is a bad year for life-force and health, and a mixed year for wealth and luck. It is important this year to perform long-life practices, take on commitments, and perform propitiations for the family and local protectors and Dharma protectors. It's a good idea to perform wealth summoning practices and be careful with money because wealth can come or go. It's good to clean and maintain religious buildings and monuments to increase the luck. For the Five-Yellow Mewa with the Descending Seven-Red Mewa, enemies and thieves will come. Subdue enemies. Oppose or overturn enemies.  jaded_daisy posted:Great thread, super interesting! Female, January 1972 Born towards the end of the Iron-Pig year. Pigs are mentally ignorant, have poor cleanliness, and like to eat. They rarely think of others. They have great "dry desire" (I have no idea what this means). They tell lots of lies. Iron pigs have a beautiful deportment and clear thoughts. They are respected by all and have great courage. They live for seventy years, with seven hard periods, and can have two to four male children. Life force is Water, Health is Iron, Power is Iron, Luck is Fire. This year your life-force is fantastic, just A++ 100% good. Your health and wealth are both weak, you should stay up to date on checkups and you know, do that stuff. No risky investments. Luck is mixed, cleaning temples or religious places can bring this up. Your direction is South, Fire. Go North for medical attention, East for fortune, Southeast for Glory, and South for Fortune.  Smoking Crow posted:Man, February 26, 1993 You were born on the fifth day of the first month of the Water Bird Year. Lots of birds also your avatar hella appropriate. Water Bird has unstable body and mind. They are distracted and forgetful. They are humble and subject themselves to others. They are in danger from earth-owner spirits. They get illnesses from too much internal wind energy. They develop intimacy towards their enemies. They have two children. They need Naga-Medicine for their head. (I guess you can get that somewhere???). Their lifespan is sixty and they have nine difficult periods. Life force is Iron, Health is Iron, Power is Water, Luck is Water. This year is the neighboring year preceding your own birth year, and this is always the worst year in the twelve year cycle. Regarding lok-men, yours is Ox. For men, Ox as a lokmen is called phung-kyod, or "defeat." Translating directly: "Losses and unhappiness, defeat in business comes. Make tsa-tsa, practice enemy-subduing recitations, 100,000. Practice Norgyunma. Make offerings to local deities. Suppress demons of loss. Do (a particular tantric shamanistic ritual). Recite "heaps of auspicious (something something)" [No idea what this sutra is it's talking about here.] Basically do whatever your religion says you should do to protect yourself in business. Beyond that, your life-force is bad, health is mixed. Your power or influence is good, but probably not so good to overcome the lok-men, but maybe? Your luck is also mixed. 
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tokomon posted:Brokenly curious. A good example of how the male/female thing matters, especially for the lok-men calculation. It actually just so happens that the age is symmetrical depending on the gender in this case, so it's the same parkha, Dwa. Your life-force is mixed, but everything else is fine. Siivola posted:Male, 1989, January 6th. An Earth Dragon. Asians love dragons. Dragon is irascible, with a pure mind. He has a loud roar by which he influences others easily. He is rarely sick but when he is sick it is severe. The Earth Dragon is very deluded and lazy. He likes alcohol and women. He's very cunning, and has few illnesses. He can even have 5 children. Or seven! The lifespan is 55, and he has great wealth. Six difficult periods. Your life force is Earth, Health is fire, Power is earth, Luck is wood. This year is one of the "three destroyers," or what the Chinese call the "three friends." Dragon, Monkey, and Rat all go together. This brings obstacles. Make an offering to the gods and perform purification practices. Depend on making offerings. Perform rituals to cut contact between the living and the dead. This year your life-force and luck are mixed. Your wealth should be fine, possibly gaining, probably not losing. You probably won't accidentally buy bitcoin this year. Your health is bad, and you should stay on top of that with good hygiene and safety around sick people and so on. Edit: I obviously slipped on over when calculating the lok-men, I had this as fire horse when it should have been earth horse. Caught in when second-checking on the other Earth Dragon down below. Nothing major changed except the health calculation which went from mixed to bad.  10 Times 10 posted:Female, 1976! Terribly interesting - thank you for this thread! A Fire Dragon! The Fire Dragon particularly possesses a big body and great wealth. They like killing and have a lot of craving for food. They are deceptive and are skillful with mathematics, writing, and so on. There is little danger from enemies and flesh-eaters (a type of demon). The lifespan is 72 and there are 7 difficult periods. There can be two children. Your life force is Earth, Health is water, Power is fire, Luck is wood. Your life force this year is superb, just really good. That's the good news. Bad news is health is weak - you need to look after that. Your power is the worst, just really bad this year. It's bad in every regard, nothing mitigating at all. Definitely don't buy bitcoins if it's not already too late. Are you heavily invested in the Pound on Forex? Anyhow, do lots of wealth summoning rituals and practice generosity, make lots of offerings, etc. Your luck is pretty good all told, so that's nice. This year is your sky-door year per lok-men. What that means is you can get lots of headaches and disease. Do not go on balconies or on mountains or high bridges or so on, that's very dangerous. Stay away from your in-laws. Raise a new dog. There are some Buddhist chants that can help, one is White Umbrella. Do an exorcism and a ritual of ransom on the door to your house. Because of your mewas, you should use skillful means to stop the dangers from nagas, demons, and earth-kings. Your direction is Kham, Water, North. This is not so good, for females this is a bad direction, it marks major transitions or change. The directions themselves however are North for Fortune, South for Medicine, East for Glory, and Southeast for sustaining the life-force. 
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HEY GAL posted:Can you answer questions (what early modern europeans called horary astrology) or is it just birth charts? For instance, can I ask "how bad does the Tibetan star system think England has hosed itself with Brexit?" There are techniques for horary astrology but I have not been trained on them yet and would not be comfortable interpreting most of them. They work by transforming the question into another kind of question and then using some paintings to pull lessons out of, among other things. I can generally do a limited kind of horary by looking at the elements for a particular time or place and seeing whether the elements support or don't support that kind of activity. Similarly I can use the Parkhas to determine directions of travel for best results. There is a way to use them to determine the best layouts for new construction of buildings and so on, but again that is above my level of training right now. my dad posted:Man, 1991, 9th day of the 1st month Western or Lunar? Assuming this is the Western date, you'll be an Iron Horse. If it's the Lunar Date you're an Iron Sheep. Iron Horse particularly likes to sleep and eat. They can learn their own faults from seeing the faults of others. They can have four children. There are great difficulties with wealth and chidlren. The lifespan is 57. There are 9 difficult periods. They get sicknesses from earth-owner spirits and cold air. Life force is fire, Health is earth, Power is iron, Luck is iron. I got bored of doing just a single year, so I did your next birthday (assuming again that was a Western date) between 5 and 7PM. For this year, using the quick summary, it is a pretty good year, but very bad for your wealth. Everything else is good with no need for mitigation really. Your wealth has a risk of slipping away and leaving you destitute so you know, pay attention to that. For that particular hour the quick summary is that it will be good for your life-force, bad for your health, bad for your wealth, and neutral for your luck. If you wanted to throw a party, I would consider shifting it to either earlier or later in the day. I can do a calculation to find the best time during that day but it's a little time consuming. Your overall summary for that hour is that you have good life force, bad health, neutral wealth, and good luck. Your mewa and parkha remain the same for the year, and it's for this year. Your direction for this year is Dwa, West, which I've done earlier on this page. Because I did a particular time, I did a calculation called Dar-Gud. Overall your dar-gud is neither up nor down. For the year, and for that month, it is bad, and bad in the same way - na-wa, sickness. There is a risk of a lawsuit or that you'll be accused of something this year, and also in the 11th month (December into January). On that particular day, your birthday, you have koe-kyon, "wearing clothes", which is good for nourishing your capabilities and senses, basically that is a good day for you. That particular hour is dar-wa, adulthood, and is good for gaining wealth.  MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Male, May 8, 1988. I already did an Earth Dragon up above (but caught a mistake, so I will be updating) so I did your birthday at noon. It's a pretty good time. For next year, you have the rising tru-che, washing, that leads to one accomplishing their thoughts. For the Water Horse month where your birthday falls, you gain wealth. You have refreshment and enjoyment at that particular day. Only the hour is bad, bringing a loss of prosperity. Maybe you go for a fancy lunch IDK. The hour's "loss of prosperity" trend is mitigated by the elements of the hour, which are extremely good for your life force, health, and wealth. It's bad for your luck, however. The theme of the exact hour remains good vitality, mixed health, good wealth, and bad luck. 
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bufoalvarius posted:Also a lady snake. I follow chinese zodiac where 89 is also an earth snake, but it's a little nicer, giving descriptions of warm and charming as well as manipulative. Is there a career path that goes well with this sign? I've done many and stuck with none. What sort of rituals are suggested to curb the negative traits? The descriptions vary from book to book but follow the same general themes. I've noticed this particular text likes to bear down on just the worst possible characteristics. For example, focusing on a Fire Tiger's lack of faith or devotion rather than on the bravery and so on. I generally don't pay too much attention to these descriptions. They are usually used for planning families - most Asians aim for Dragon and Rabbit years. There are also descriptions for all 9 Mewas that include possible past and future lives, lifespan, disease affliction, sometimes career suggestions, practices, and deities. For the purposes of this thread I've been omitting about a third of the possible calculations because they start asking for obnoxious amounts of information - I need the mother's age or birthsign for the "birth parkhas" for example which give the enduring directions that are best (all of these directions are for this year only). The times of death of family members are always bad. Spouse's age for parkha is needed because when those match, they are bad. Just a lot of things like that that quickly become a bit much. I can look and see if there are things that mitigate bad traits in terms of practices, but usually this is done by acknowledging those characteristics and simply working on developing positive characteristics. By adulthood, often most of those traits barely influence someone because of the strength of their accumulated karma. I could hardly be said to lack devotion, for example, as I am literally my Lama's attendant. I do tend to be a bit irreverent tho, I tend to use profane language in describing ritual, I feel like it communicates the meaning better lmao I'll take a look in a little bit and see if I come up with something like that. I can also see if this book has something regarding career advice - if it does it will be in the third section, which is for calculating family and lifespan stuff and which I skip around in as I don't have the training but have the permission to use what I can.
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Today is His Holiness Dalai Lama's birthday and so the local Tibetan community crashed my Dharma center, I've been with them all day. I have some errands to run and I have a practice tonight but I will try to get all of the requests up until I post this done today. I see some people are asking for more specific stuff which is great!Good Dumplings posted:That's interesting, I actually am dealing with a illness getting really bad. Can you go into more detail about this, or is it a specific medicine thing? In Tibetan medicine it's a specific type of diagnosis, a set of conditions associated with too much wind of various sorts. I am not a Tibetan doctor so I do not know too many specifics. I know I have chronic sinus and ear infections which are associated with ascending wind issues. Removed for wrong year hereReene district 12, and alcyon, I'll get you guys sometime later this afternoon or later tonight I hope. District 12, if you have a specific date for the move I can look at that, or roundabouts, so I can get the Lunar month. That would be good. Alcyon if you want to PM me with your parents and grandparents dates and times of death I can do that, also if you have a spouse, their age/birth year, and also your mother's age/birthyear or if you have it her age when you were born, and I'll do the full workup. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Siivola posted:Considering I was born in January, wasn't I technically born the year preceding lunar '89? Got me for trying to be efficient in a hurry! He's earth snake. I'll redo for both year after. Yours is correct. Thanks for catching that.
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Impermanent posted:I'd love to get a reading for a male born 1989 because this year has been a struggle already. What are my prospects for the rest of this year and the next? Okay got you for real now, an Earth Snake, so look back at the description for Mo Tzu. But she's female so don't look beyond the description. Also because I have things to correct for her. This year, Fire Monkey, is mixed for life force, very bad for your health, good for wealth and very good for luck. You need to take extra care for your health. The good power and wealth is not like, a slam dunk, you should probably still take care on that. There's no opposition on luck tho so you should be able to accomplish things so long as it's not opposed by unlucky hours. Unfortunately, it's also one of your shi-shey years, the "enemy of four," that comes at the midpoint between your oppositional year (pig). Your direction this year is Dwa, West, which has been described in the thread I think. Next year, Fire Bird, is good for your life force, still bad, but not as bad, for your health, mixed for your wealth, and good, but not as good, for your luck. However, next year is one of your three friends, which is always bad. It is also your own birth-mewa year, which also always brings obstacles. And you are the first person to land on the  DUR MIK which I have seen translated as "death spot" which is a pretty dramatic translation, but your direction is not good for snakes - Khen, Northwest. Indicates a bad year.So this year isn't great, next year isn't great. Strap in I guess. 
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Reene posted:Oh this is extremely rad! I can't tell you with much specificity if it will go really well or not, but I'll break this down. Life force is wood, Health is fire, Power is fire, Luck is fire. From the quick look at the year, very bad for life force, bad for health, bad for wealth, very lucky. Looking at the bigger picture of the year (taking into account lokmen, mewa, and parkha) it is okay for life-force, very bad for health and wealth, and okay for luck. There is danger of disturbance or attacks from nagas and gyalpos. Perform death-avoiding rituals, life force rituals, long-life accumulations, life-elixirs, and pardoning lives. To mitigate health effects from deficient elements, personal deity protector propitiation rites (bonpo) are sufficient. Wealth can slip away. For increasing power, Bonpo ransoming rites will suffice, also renunciation, offering protectress tormas will suffice. From luck, good gods and protectresses and victorious days will arise nicely. The lokmen is actually a good one, for you, your lokmen is rabbit, which for women brings "chor-wa" "treasures." Straight up, "extremely good. If one asks the gods, whatever wealth one seeks one will find, and one's enemies will die." So that's kinda nice? Time to quit being all secular and get your prayers on. Now, looking at that time . . . not so good. Okay, so looking at dar-gud, the year is "fertilization" and brings exhaustion of fortune. The month, wood monkey, is "aging" brings divorce. That day, the 12th day of the Wood Monkey, Earth Cow, is "conception" and brings ill fortune. The hour, fire dog (7PM-9PM), brings a loss of prosperity. Elementally, in that particular hour, your life force is good, health is mixed, wealth is not good, and you are pretty lucky. Based on a speculative thing I've noticed with dar-gud calculations your best hours are from like 1AM to noon BTW. But that is kind of a speculative thing I haven't confirmed or been formally taught, just a thing I noticed with the technique.  When I come back from India I look forward to learning the horary techniques so I can actually answer questions like "should I go to a place" with something more specific than "well, your elements suck then tbqh." district 12 posted:Happy birthday to the Dalai Lama! My move is August 29; thank you for doing this! I was gonna call it a night until I saw this and realized it's just a matter of changing some times. All of the things above with Reene apply to you except where it looks at the time specifically. The year brings exhaustion of fortune, as mentioned for Reene's. The month, wood bird, brings lawsuit or accusations. The day, however, brings "accomplishing thoughts," accomplishing things you have thought about. The hour I chose was noon simply because it was in the middle of the day, and this brings a long lineage. For the hour of 11AM-1PM, it is mixed for your lifespan, bad for your health, bad for your wealth, and good for your luck. This isn't necessarily bad for a move, but make sure you have your shots and take care to exercise hygiene especially in that time period. For the photo, I've shown what changes between the charts in green, and red for what changes on the result.  Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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unexplodable posted:Cool thread, how about a female of 1988? Pretty straightforward. Earth Dragon, as described before. Life-force is Earth, Health is fire, Power is earth, Luck is wood. Your life force is good this year, health is mixed. Wealth is good. Luck is very bad, and you should attend to that by cleaning temples and religious statues and so on, and other similar activities. Your Lokmen is also Earth Dragon, which probably means something terrible but I do not know for certain. I do know that for women, a dragon year indicates your sky-door (nam-go) which I described before. Basically you may be prone to headaches and danger. You need to avoid going high places like building balconies, mountains, airplanes, things like this. taiyoko posted:Female, 1985, please. And if you can give a general outlook on my job hunt this year? This is the Wood Ox year. Oxes like hard physical labor and sleeping. They have pure behavior. They have heavy speech and everything has to logically follow. Their thoughts are pure and they like eating and lying around like oxes. The Wood Ox in particular likes to assembly wealth. They are mindful. They are miserly. Their lifespan is 60 years, with six difficult periods. They have danger from decay-causing demons and land-owning spirits. Your life-force is earth, Health is iron, Power is wood, Luck is water. This year is mixed for life-force, wealth, and luck. It's bad for your health. Regular health stuff goes here. For your job hunt we want to look at your wealth attribute I suspect. Water Horse hour is good for your wealth, luck, and life-force, and only occur on Wood days. Today is Earth Dragon day, so the next Wood day is the 9th of July. Days in Tibetan start around 5AM. After 9th July it will continue until the end of this lunar month every fifth day. Here is both of your charts because I left my erasable markers at home when I went to the Dharma center today and just did these in pen while I was there.  Siivola posted:Out of curiousity, when you say life force, what sort of stuff do you mean? The Tibetan word is སྲོག་ "srog," meaning "life" in the sense of sort of vitality. The body is comprised of elements and winds, and the life-force is the kind of force that holds those elements together. When the life-force is exhausted, the winds and elements scatter and a person dies. When the life force-is strong there is a lot holding the elements together, when it's weak there isn't much. Life-force being weak on its own doesn't mean much - if a person is healthy, young, and not in danger, then no problems. But if someone is sick, for example, they may be more likely to die at a time when their life-force is weak. Swastikatzen posted:Male born 01/10/1983. If you don't mind being specific, how will things look come September? The Water Pig year. Life-force, health, and power are all water. Luck is fire. It's a bad year for life force and health on account of the mewas and parkhas. It is your sa-go (earth-door) year from lokmen. There's danger from decay-spirits, mischevious spirits, leprosy, and so on. I lack the cultural understanding to properly translate the rest of what this means. Because of the mewa being 5-yellow there's problems with bilious disease headaches, and particularly from all sorts of kinds of spirits (spirits of the dead, nagas, earth owners, worldly kings). September should be an okay month per dar gud. It's difficult to make broad statements about months - the months themselves are elements and animals, but each day cycles through them and every hour cycles through them. It's said that the year is like the king, most important. Then the month is the minister, second most important, then the day like the soldier, and the hour like his sword. But each one of those builds up - the elements of the hours of the day are based on the element of the day itself, which is based on the element of the month, and so on. Anyhow, of the two dar-gud (up and down) I did, for year and month, the year is good, called "lue-dzog" or "development" - it is good for establishing happiness. The month is called "koe-kyon" or "wearing clothes" and is also good, in his case for nourishing one's capabilities or capacities. 
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Rorac posted:Male, may 8, 1989. I just looked quickly at the dar-gud for this. When looking at the month for dar-gud you compare it with the health element, and rotate through. The month we've just entered begins that cycle fresh for you, starting with fertilization this month, which brings exhaustion of fortune. Next month, conception, brings ill fortune. The prospects are better moving into the fire dog month with development, bringing the basis for happiness. Then in the fire pig month, you have refreshment and enjoyment. These are just very broad themes and difficult to hammer down without using the rest of the calculation for days and hours. I suspect that although I was not taught it and it isn't mentioned in books, given enough time I could probably crunch down through a table and make calendars for people for entire months on when their best hours and days are. Lord Banana posted:Firstly thanks for doing this, it's really interesting stuff! This is really more specific than I can get right now. I can look at that week but I can't look at legal issues specifically given what I know - I can give you what days hours and times are most likely to result in legal problems though. Looking at the dar-gud for the days following 8 August (Wood Bird month, Wood Ox day), you're likely to run into those kinds of problems on the Saturday and Sunday preceding (exhausting fortune and ill fortune respectively) and then on the 15th and 16th, which bring Divorce and Accusations or legal issues. The 8th itself is "establishing happiness," but these are always very general, I don't usually use dar-gud like this as they are just likelihoods from general themes in one particular system. Plate and HamTyler I will do tomorrow, I don't want to push myself to get them done tonight because I make more mistakes when I'm tired. Also, wow, I broke an 8 year lurk with a thread, Alcyon I did get your PMs and will look at them tomorrow since yours is the full chart and will take some time.
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HamTyler posted:This is fascinating, thanks for doing this. A Water Ox. Water Ox likes to sleep and laze around, and is especially stupid (sorry). They are prone to harsh speech, rude language, self-importance, and selfishness. Boys often die and there is danger from earth-owner spirits. The lifespan is seventy and there are seven hard periods. Your life-force is earth, Health is wood, Power is water, Luck is water. This year is bad for the life-force, good for health and power, and very bad for your luck. Nothing significant for lok-men. Mewa is 4-Green, because of your birth mewa of 9-Red you should do a liberation practice like letting food animals go free or so on. The direction is Southwest. I wish it was more notable for having brought you out of an 8 year lurk. I did a doodle for you tho.  Whitlam posted:Could you please do mine too OP? Same day, but female and 1994 (sup birthday buddy). Really interesting thread. 1994 was the Wood Dog year. Dogs are proud and belligerent. They have lot of thoughts and love war. They have great attachments and desires but are mainly good. Wood Dogs have an investigative mind and sharp senses. They have good physical appearances and take care of their towns and villages. They can be befriended by nagas and violent spirits. They can have three children. They have a lot of free time. Their lifespan is 79 and they have 5 hard periods. They are often blamed for causing problems in the family. Your life-force is earth, Health is fire, Power is wood, Luck is iron. It's a mixed year for your life-force and health. It's a bad year for your wealth, and a good year for your luck. For your lokmen, it is a monkey year and you have a monkey in the yearly positions, this is a little bad. There are some practices you can have done within Buddhism that are for the benefit of naga spirits and also there's something about flesh eating spirits I don't quite understand. 
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Account McAccount posted:Female, 1986, going through some really bad things this year and health things and potentially could die. Am I gonna die? I'm not afraid of the answer, I think it's better to be prepared. I can't answer that. Be prepared regardless, but I haven't learned the methods for calculating this. It's part of a different aspect of astrology that is based on the same things but there are different techniques when dealing with sick people. I'm sorry to hear that you are not well and I hope the best for you. As a 1986 birth you're a Fire Tiger like me, and I can say that the year is not good for us generally. It is our oppositional enemy year, it is the same element as us, it is a black year altogether. These things taken altogether make it not great for us to begin with. Life force is wood, Health is fire Power is fire Luck is iron. Short look shows a very bad year for life force, bad health, bad wealth, good luck. Long look doesn't change it at all. In theory, the Southeast is the best direction for you to travel for receiving medicine, and the North is the direction for revitalizing the life-force. With regards to medicine, probably you should go to whatever is the best hospital and doctor for your condition, but if it is in the Southeast I would take that as an auspicious omen. I hope everything comes well for you. When I learn how to do medical calculations towards the end of this (Western) year, I will update this thread and maybe we can go from there. Zsa Zsa Gabor posted:I'm really enjoying this thread, thanks for the detailed OP. You're born on the 20th day of the 12th month of the Iron Bird year. Iron Bird is heroic and powerful and rich, and has a lot of attachment and desire for wealth of grains, food, ddrink, and so on. I am having a hard time translating the next sentence because it's very short, I think they are mainly people of change, but I can't make sense of the grammar. Sorry. The lifespan is 70 and there are 7 difficult periods, and four children. Life force is iron, Health is water, Power is iron, Luck is water. It's a bad year for life-force and power, a good year for health, and mixed luck. Nothing special on the lok-men. I will say that next year and the year after will be some of the harder years, as that will be your birth animal and then the year following will be the worse yet as the neighbor, for women. So there's that. This year however is just bad for the usual reasons. teen witch posted:If you don't mind, April 24th 1991. I just moved overseas to be with my partner, so I guess I'm really concerned about that and jobs. The Iron Sheep year. Sheep is of few words, with a deluded intelligence and a lot of desire for food, but a pure mind. They are long-suffering and forebearing and do not benefit or harm others much. They are very lazy. Iron Sheep is big bodied and has tame senses. They have little mindful awareness. They have lots of enemies and gossip. They get sickness of the eyes. They have few children and live to 81. They have 4 difficult periods and are in danger from Nagas. Your life force is earth, Health is earth Power is iron Luck is fire. This year the life-force is not good. Health is mixed. Power is good and luck is very good. Your lok-men is luk, which for women (I assumed) you are in phung-gyo, "decay/lawsuit." You can suffer losses and have depression and business and so on will go badly. Within Buddhist practice, making tsa-tsa, pacifying enemies, practicing Norgyunma, and making offerings to your local deities is good. There are some other particular sutras you can recite as well. quote:Fascinating thread OP! If I can ask a question, how did you become involved with this sort of thing? How did your life's journey take you there? I've been practicing Tibetan Buddhism for several years and have had the good fortune to become the attendant/assistant for my Lama. Last year one of the major Tibetan medical institutes offered an online class, which I asked him if I should take it. He said no, I shouldn't study medicine, but if I studied astrology that would be good. A few months later I was in touch with another Khenpo in the city where I studied Tibetan, some 3 hours away. I have commuted down there once a week for several months now while memorizing the preliminary texts and then training in the techniques. Generally, I think I spoke a little about the benefits for astrology in the OP, but for a ritual practitioner it is very useful. It's said that the Buddha taught 84,000 heaps of Dharma so that there is some practice that is best for everyone. For example, my wife is not much of a ritualist at all but she's a meditator with a very stable mind. She doesn't care much for all the burning incense and chanting mantra and suchlike. On the other hand I have a proclivity for ritual and so the Lama, having identified that, has directed my studies and practices so I can benefit beings through that. In the future, I hope to be able to offer my services as an astrologer commercially on my own and then also for the benefit of practitioners as well. Particularly this kind of astrology is useful for Buddhists because it says very clearly what practices to do for a year, on top of whatever one is directed to do by their own Lama. So for example if someone has very weak life-force, they might want to specially seek out empowerments or rituals that benefit the life-force like Amitayus or White Tara or so on. As for Buddhism itself, I became Buddhist coming out of the Western Esoteric Tradition. I have generally been a spiritual/religious guy since I was a young child, but when I made contact with the Dharma it clicked for me and after some investigation I realized that this is the spiritual path for me. HamTyler posted:Hey, thanks. That's what I get for asking I suppose The description stuff I think I said I don't pay much heed towards. It's primarily included in the book for people who are planning families. If someone comes and says "hey I am looking to have a kid, is that a good idea?" then I can look and go "well, next year is a Fire Bird year, so the child may have these characteristics, also your husband is a Fire Rabbit so they might fight alot" or something like this. I haven't formally trained on that kind of astrology yet, but I have permission to read the book and use what I can. The difficult periods coming from those same descriptions are just sort of heads up warnings about how many years will just be completely lovely. A difficult period is just what it sounds like, and it may last several years or just a few months. They are more likely to occur around one's own animal year, so ages 13, 25, 37, 49, 61, 73, and so on, and then the year before (men) or after (women) will be worse than those years. I am in the interest of time not doing super complete rundowns. I am going to do the complete "everything I can get" for Alcyon just because he provided a bunch of additional information for me and asked specifically for that, as well as for Hey Gal for some certain date ranges and so on. There are also things like the mewas (9 year number table cycle) which have their own interpretative information (they also provide things like possible former lives, possible future lives, practices one should do in life, possible careers, and so on) which also give a lifespan, what types of diseases one is prone to, and so on, and sometimes contradict the animal sign stuff. How one weights that information is up to the astrologer and his or her experience, training, and so on. And the directions have their own set of predictions, also, which I have been skipping - again in the interest of time, I haven't translated all of them and doing three translations (animal, mewa, and parkha) for everyone would be too much. I've been including the animal sign stuff just because Westerners usually love that stuff, and also because sometimes they are fun to translate (like just straight up calling someone dumb).
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headlight posted:Well this sure beats that Zoltar Fortune teller machine An Iron Monkey. Iron monkeys like being seen by people and have handsome bodies. They have great capacity for losing resources, wealth, and so on. They are often scapegoated but are happy in their old age. They live to 70 with 8 hard periods and even five children. Man, I'd be interested to see how your year is going and ends up if you don't mind. Send me a PM if you'd like. Your life force is iron, Health is wood, Power is iron, Luck is wood. Quick look at the year makes the life force bad, health mixed, wealth very bad, and luck bad. The extended view gives mixed life-force, good health, very bad wealth, and good luck. However the year double sucks for you. One, it is your own year this year, you are a monkey and it's a monkey year. Two, it's also your own mewa this year, which is never good. That, and it's a black year as well. In fact you were born on a black year so I mean daaaaaamn. Black year for those born on a black year can get the kind of curses from demons that afflict men. Your lok-men is Tiger, however, which makes this a chor-wa year for you, so you should be very lucky and with prayer you should be able to accomplish anything you want and defeat all your enemies. Sooo, kinda mixed messages. I'd like to know generally how your year goes because this will help me get a feel for how much weight to give those kinds of things. Hyperlaser posted:Hello Paramemetic, interesting stuff here. You're an Iron Horse, I put the description back on page 1. I will do a general one for the year because I did that guy for a particular hour. You're looking at very good life-force, good health, and mixed wealth and luck. I looked through the bit about the 1-White mewa birth year, mostly it's a difficult birth and a lot of people abandon your family and suchlike. Your lifespan from that is 71 and it doesn't give exact information. In a past life you were a king, and then a god, but now you're a human obviously. In the future you can be a duck, and then a person, and then a naga, and if you build a statue of Chenrezig you can be reborn as a rich man or a thought-form god or some flavor of Brahmin. None of that information is super useful for this life tho which is what you need to concern yourself with, and benefiting others generally. I will let you know by updating this thread if in my studies in India (leaving tomorrow oh god) I get some new information to give career guidance and so on. I'm going to do the three more I have on deck right now Everyone after this post getting in my responses might be slow for a month, I'll check in while I can and try to answer here and there. Thanks for the opportunity to practice everyone and I hope that I'm right for anyone I told would have a good year and wrong about everyone having lovely years - but it's a black year so maybe not haha Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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I do not have regular or reliable Internet here in Leh, I am in the city itself right now in the shadiest of Internet cafes. I did the calculations I said I would but don't have them with me. Stay tuned! I will take care of the backlog in my own time.
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I'm back! And tomorrow I'll start filling in gaps and catching up! I have two from the flight out! King Possum III is a Earth Pig Even though Earth Pig has great resources and wealth they do not benefit their friends. They lack talent which causes enemies to arise. They are in danger from dre and earth-lords. The lifespan is 67, and there are 6 difficult periods. It's possible to have two children. The short analysis looking at just the birth year to the current year is a perfect 100% good time. Your life-force is water, Health is earth, Power is earth, Luck is fire. A longer view accounting for the log-men, mewa and parkha shows mixed life-force, bad health, mixed power, and good luck. As you are male, and your lok-men is also pig, this is a sa-go year (earth-door) and so it is prudent to avoid going to cemeteries, caves, mines, or things like this. You can be afflicted by mischief-causing spirits, decay-eating spirits, or leprosy. Avoid excavation, etc. 1984 Female I didn't write down your usernames when I wrote them down before getting on the plane (in highlighter because I forgot a pen  ) so this is the 1984 female who asked me around the same time as King Possum!A Wood Mouse has a clean mind and is skillful with the hands. They are cunning and boastful. They deceive others. They have middling wealth and can get leprosy caused by naga spirits. The lifespan is 75. There are seven difficult periods. There can be five children but normally three. Life force is water, Health is iron, Power is wood, Luck is wood. This year is good for life-force but bad for health. Power and luck are middling. Take care for good health and be careful around medical patients and so on and practice good hygiene. I'll do more of these tomorrow as well as review old ones (HEY GAL I need to make sure yours are correct before doing some other calculations for you), but until then here is a blurry low-light picture of a thangka (painting) I saw in a deity-house for a local protector deity on the top of a small hill near Shachukul Monastery in Shachukul, Ladakh.  It features my bro Turtle-Manjusri and I was very excited to see him, and thought of you all.
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SubjectVerbObject posted:Welcome back. Due to an birth within our Sangha I got to see a little of the astrology in action. One thing that was mentioned was people having special days of the week based on their birth year and month. I don't want to give you more work, but what role does this play in folk's lives? That's awesome. Yes, there are special days of the week based on birth month and day of the week, and also based on birth year, depending on the approach. All of the different aspects of a chart rotate in cycles, so there is a yearly, monthly, daily, and hourly cycle for mewas, for parkhas, and so on. So each of those will have good or bad days of the week based on those cycles. Beyond that, every day is ruled by a particular star, or "lunar mansion," which rotate in a cycle as well. Those stars have particular days of the week and so on that are better for them and also rotate in cycles, but for them there are also static days of positive and negative influence based on the star you're born under. I have not been doing that level of analysis in this thread because frankly it would be too much. I could probably do that or the regular chart, moving forward. King Possum III posted:Paramemetic, thank you for for doing my analysis. I found it very interesting, even if I don't understand all the references. I did notice a few things in the reading that I was already aware of, and this tells me that I would do well to learn more about your methods. Anything you'd like to know, you know how to reach me. a dog from hell posted:Is this thread still manageable or is OP overwhelmed by requests? Either way I'm intrigued and I'll bite. a dog from hell posted:Also lol at how unflattering some of these are. Tibetans don't sugarcoat. I'm not overwhelmed from the things left to do in this thread, but I'm sad to say that whereas I originally planned to do a bunch of these the other day, my Lama fell very ill in India and I've been having to take care of what I can here in the States to try to help that situation. Beyond that then I've been distracted by my other vices (Elite: Dangerous) and basically I've been a pretty lame guy lately. I hope to do some charts today or tomorrow, probably some right after I make this post if I can find where I left off. Also, yeah, I've always appreciated how there isn't much flowery bullshit meant to distract from the crushing reality of samsaric existence. Western natal astrologers love to emphasize the good things and talk sideways around the negative things, Tibetan astrology however straight up embraces that everyone has negative qualities by default. Now, it's important to keep in mind that our individual karma supercedes a lot of this stuff - it's possible to have generous bird year people, or so on, but this astrology sort of indicates the "defaults." From the Tibetan worldview, astrology is only useful inasmuch as it informs us something valuable. Being told "dogs are loyal" isn't as useful as being told "but they are greedy and will fight and argue" because the latter is something someone can attend to and improve on, whereas the former is just something one can observe. Similarly, adult Tibetans have very little interest in the kind of natal astrology Westerners are fond of - by the time you're an adult, you already know your personality, so that's not helpful or useful information. PhysicsFrenzy posted:so if i have the same birth year and gender as someone else in the thread, does that mean i have the same prediction? Within the confines of this thread, yes. As I mentioned, there's more particular analysis I can do, but it's technically not something I'm doing for this thread as it's not really obstacle calculation and leans more towards natal astrology. There's also more depth I can do for obstacle calculation but the one guy I said I'd do it for I haven't done yet so I'm not really likely to pick up another at this point. So yeah, effectively if your birth year and gender has been done, there's not much more I can add in this thread. My astrology teacher returns in the US in October and I'll be starting a new set of calculations then, at which point I'll probably use this thread for practice and be able to add some more diversity. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:Western natal astrology is good for a lot more things than your personality, it's supposed to influence your health, the way your body's systems are balanced, things that happen in your life, your interaction with life circumstances, etc. Not to mention that since you make decisions based on your personality and your natural tendencies for approaching stuff in your life, I'd say that's probably useful throughout your life, if you believe in that sort of thing of course. Naturally there's a lot more application there as well, I was glossing in terms of what the clients tend to like these days. There are almost as few serious astrology clients as there are serious astrologers. King Possum III posted:I can't offer prayers, since I meditate instead (remote viewing/scrying). You a CRV guy?
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HEY GAL posted:male, may, 86 Paramemetic posted:Fire Tiger, and definitely a chart I'm familiar with. I'm glad you came early also because doing your chart and getting a result different from what I remember showed me that I was making a mistake, mentioned in the post above.
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Brand New Malaysian Wife posted:I'd love to get a general look at mine if you can spare the time? February 1984, female Paramemetic posted:1984 Female I didn't write down your usernames when I wrote them down before getting on the plane (in highlighter because I forgot a pen
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comaerror posted:Hey Paramemetic! Your birth year is Iron Bird. Birds generally do not have much "mother's wealth." To be honest I do not understand what this means. They are ruled by desire and have a lot of attachment to their own appearance. They don't sleep much and sometimes can be doubting or of low intelligence. Iron Bird in particular has a mind with a lot of attachment to glory, power and influence, wealth, grains, food, drink, and so on. They are mainly influenced by people. They generally live 70 years, and have seven difficult periods. They can have four male children. Life-force is Iron, Health is Water, Capacity is Iron, Luck is Water.  This year is bad for life-force and wealth, good for health, mixed for luck. You should do Amitayus or Namgyalma or White Tara and Red or White or Yellow Dzambhala probably. Or whoever you crazy Nyingmapa do for wealth and long life! Additionally for you it is a 'phung-gyod year, which means this year can cause loss of property and an uneasy mind. You need to make tsa-tsa, make offerings to your local deities, practice Norgyunma (100k recitations I think), and do some practices I do not know but you might know someone who can give them to you, you need: ཟོར་མདོ (Chopper Sutra?) and this other thing that might be a typo: བཀྲ་བརྩེགས་ you need to recite that. Okay good luck! (this info probably would've been more useful in March).
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Apathy Inspired posted:When you have time, I would love a bit of a look forward as this has been one hell of a poo poo year. Direction for the next 6 months would be fantastic. December 1973, female. ༙In this case I have done the calculations and find everything generally agreeable this year except for the lok-men, which is very difficult. Your elements all come out good this year when we do the stone calculations. Everything is mixed across the board, not very bad or very good there. Unfortunately the year is called a che-drel year, and this can bring divorce, separation, fighting, quarrels, spitefulness from one's spouse, and so on. The solution to this is the same "chopper sutra" as comaerr has to do, plus long life empowerments (Amitayus or so on) or whatever equivalent in your own religious or spiritual tradition. It also says, I think, to round up grain and mill it for three days and establish it and prepare it. I am not sure what exactly this means as it's probably some Tibetan cultural thing, I'll try to get back to you on that. I just did a yearly calculation for now, as the rest of this year is just about the next 6 months as you requested. I have a letter off to my teacher now about what the best way generally to answer the "tell me about the next [date range]" question is, as it's not particularly a day or hour (which would use dar-gud) but I don't think you can just do stones for the month like you do for the year - if you did, it would make sense though, so I'm checking. As for the elements, they are defined in terms of their relations in the Tibetan system. Tibetan philosophy and religion uses both the Indian/Western five elements (earth, fire, water, wind, space) as well as the Chinese five elements (wood, fire, earth, iron, water). These calculations use the latter. You can ascribe alchemical qualities to these five elements, but it's not really that important. If you were to do so, fire is hot and rising, water is cool and descends, earth stabilizes, iron contracts, and wood expands. But outside of niche applications the information that for example "the life-force is wood" does not provide too much information right now. There are a lot of specific applications, such as medical astrology, where I am sure it is much more pertinent, but I do not know those things. I am sure there would also be some kind of yogic application in some tradition or another, but I do not know that either. Mainly, we look at the elements in terms of their relations, and it's the relations we're interested in. For example, this is a fire year, and fire is the child of wood, so if your life-force is wood, it will be a mixed year for your life-force, as the relationship with the child is mixed. If your life-force is earth, however, earth's mother is fire, so it will be a good year for your life-force (mother is the best relationship). If your life-force is iron, it will be the worst, as fire is the enemy; water, it will be good, as fire is water's friend. Fire it will be bad, as having your own element is not good. So it's less about the elements, and more about how those elements react with other elements of other things. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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comaerror posted:We're a Red Tara gang, yo. But yea, no biggie on the timing. I was mostly curious. Not sure what would constitute a local diety, though. I dunno man go out in the woods and make some offerings to local deities and see who shows up! You're a bajillion miles away how am I supposed to know your local deities? There are a lot of smoke offerings you can do for local deities, and here is in fact Source of Auspicious Good Fortune which is one we use in Drikung Kagyu but you can do this without any empowerment and it's not really associated with a lineage. Edit: Thin Privilege posted:Oh hey. Maybe PM me?
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Nessus posted:Do me, do me! Male, Feb 26 1982 e: Wow thread is old, big joke on me Water Dog, the description is back on like page one or two. I redid the calculations because that was for a woman and you're all man. Anyhow, good year for life force and wealth, mixed year for health, bad year for luck. Bad year for your lok-men, this is "rue-chod" or "cutting bone" year for you. Because you can have legal action from paternal relatives [Translator's note: What a weird threat.] practice Vajranakha / Dorje Dermo (Vajra Claws). Because you can be the victim of lawsuits and legal accusations, practice the Mahayana Sutra that Repels Negativity. If you're 60 (you're not), recite the Mouthless Sutra. You should squash you enemies. Basically uh, have a lawyer on retainer this year I guess? And a good one since you're not lucky! In short, Nessus posted:it's me, I'm the owned one Edit: Vajra Claws / Dorje Dermo, who this says to practice, is particularly said to protect from when your relatives turn against you or your family or friends become hostile, so I guess that's what it was talking about with the paternal family lawsuits. She also protects from lawsuits, as well. Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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Tubgoat posted:Male September '86, please, kind goon. This is fascinating. Thank you for your efforts. Paramemetic posted:Fire Tiger, and definitely a chart I'm familiar with. I'm glad you came early also because doing your chart and getting a result different from what I remember showed me that I was making a mistake, mentioned in the post above. And in other news, my teacher is back from Mongolia and I'll be starting learning some new things. I still owe a handful of people some charts and I will do them just before the next time I go down to see him, to warm back up. I still owe one guy a big long fully involved chart also and will do that before then too sometime next week, probably). I'm locking the thread until then because I keep neglecting it and feel bad, I'll reopen it and bump it when I have new stuff and more time to run charts.
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