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Y-Hat posted:Did Forbidden Memories come with special promo cards? Even though I never played it, I recall thinking that it was worthless trash when I played the card game, so I don't think it did. Also at that time, I was annoyed that I never got a chance the GBA game that came after Eternal Duelist Soul- the one based on the Battle City story arc in the anime- which meant no Harpy's Feather Duster for me. Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, Harpie's Pet Dragon, and Metalmorph. Notice how there's no Zoa/Metalzoa? Gotta buy Falsebound Kingdom, which was on gamecube and had Zoa, Metalzoa, and Goblin Fan (but only in the US). They had a habit of not only randomizing the cards you'd get out of a pool of 3-6 (although if there were only 3 you got all of them), changing them based on region, and making it so that if you wanted the other half of the combo one of the promo cards came with, you'd need to buy another game.
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Strap in boys, because we're in for a bumpy ride! As someone who still avidly plays the game, hearing those rules was physically painful. Here's my contributions to this poo poo show: Yami-59197169 Giant Soldier of Stone-13039848 Saggi the Dark Clown-66602787 Crass Clown-93889755 Mystic Clown-47060154 (Why are there so many god drat clown in Yugioh geez) As for the name, I'm throwing my hat in for EpeeEm. With any luck, the constant mentioning of his name will actually end up summoning him so he can TRULY shatter this game like the awful mess it is.
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Jul 15, 2016 08:26
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I've gotta go with EpeeEm for the name. It just feels so fitting somehow.
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Jul 15, 2016 09:07
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I'm glad Giver's still LPing. Just finished catching up with the BN3 LP's ending and am glad to be on for this ride. I played the hell out of this game when it came out. My entire strategy for the whole game was to just write down the most broken fusion combinations I had and just do that the whole game. I never actually learned the rules. Tried playing one of the DS games and it just wrecked my poo poo and that's the story of how I never played yugioh ever again. So, card numbers I guess? I don't remember what the limits on cards are and I just remember having the gate guardian in my deck when I played the actual card game for a brief period.  Kazejin; 62340868 Suijin; 98434877 Sanga; 25955164 Magical Labyrinth; 64389297 Metalmorph; 68540058 As for a name, tossing my hat in with whoever said Exodia because if Giver is half as good at this game he'll be winning instantly.
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Jul 15, 2016 09:20
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I remember playing this game with my brother when we were little kids, we tried so bad to beat it but we just couldn't. Here's my cards: Armored Zombie: 20277860 Axe of Despair: 40619825 Spellbinding Circle: 18807108 Stop Defense: 63102017 Machine King: 46700124 Also gonna vote for EpeeEm as it's the best choice
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SystemLogoff posted:Unfortunately this game has no monster effects and came out too early for my favorite card.
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NGDBSS posted:So what am I missing here? Is your Graveyard considered part of the field, or is there some other recursive element I'm overlooking? The way I'm reading it, if you have a monster with 1200 ATK and your opponent has a monster with 2000 ATK and they fight, you can use that card to make your monster have 3200 ATK(1200+2000). Use three of them and it'll have 7200 ATK. And heavens help your opponent if their monster is even stronger.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:46
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Yep. The real nasty part about Honest is that it's a hand trap (so you can activate the effect while the card is in your hand). Which means your opponent has no way of knowing that you have a Honest in hand and they're about to smack themselves in the face, basically. I'm fairly certain Honest isn't at 1 anymore but I could be out of touch. TG has a YGO thread these days for the actual card game, but it follows the meta and new releases rather than nostalgia chat.
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It's not like that thread is active enough to overrun any conversation you want to start. It's here, by the way.
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You're welcome to show up and start some nostalgiachat. Honest's at 2 right now I think.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:18
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All right, I'm gonna suspend card submissions from now until the next update is posted. I have a fairly big list of cards, and I wanna start putting together the next update. Here is a current pastebin of all goon submissions. It starts from the first card submission from Page 1 to Page 3. If all your cards that you submitted aren't there, then: A) You submitted more than 5 cards and I just picked the "best" or "most favorable" ones; B) Your card just isn't in the game; C) A goon who posted before you already submitted that card; You can only input serials for cards once so it'd be a waste of an entry. First come, first serve. Looks like EpeeEm won. Don't even need to tally it. Next update should be later today or by the weekend. Let's go.
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Mysticblade posted:Yep. The real nasty part about Honest is that it's a hand trap (so you can activate the effect while the card is in your hand). Which means your opponent has no way of knowing that you have a Honest in hand and they're about to smack themselves in the face, basically. This isn't really true. If the opponent is running Lightsworn, Fairies, or really any all-Light attribute deck, you have to automatically assume that Honest is in there, and plan accordingly. The hard counter to Honest (and most other traps that work by buffing the opponent's monster) is Ally of Justice Catastor, an easy-to-summon monster that automatically destroys any non-Dark monster it battles without calculating damage. Pairing it with hand destruction can eliminate the threat of Honest in a more long-term fashion, as well. 
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EclecticTastes posted:This isn't really true. If the opponent is running Lightsworn, Fairies, or really any all-Light attribute deck, you have to automatically assume that Honest is in there, and plan accordingly. The hard counter to Honest (and most other traps that work by buffing the opponent's monster) is Ally of Justice Catastor, an easy-to-summon monster that automatically destroys any non-Dark monster it battles without calculating damage. Pairing it with hand destruction can eliminate the threat of Honest in a more long-term fashion, as well. And this is why I wanted to move on to other card games with static keywords. YGO was always generally based off of whoever had the most money to buy the most busted-rear end cards, and after a while you had to keep track of like 600 cards, sort out the 200 that weren't awful (while still keeping track of what they might be used for), then try to account for a billion possible situations. I used to just play beatdown with strong normals like La Jinn and Harpie's Brother and had fun when the game first came out. I came back like 2-3 years later and everything's mill decks and catch-22's. So I make a zombie deck so that if anything gets milled away that I wanted I can just whip it right back. And then Zombies got hit with the nerf bat, horribly. I take another multi-year break. OH MY GOD THE MILLING IS EVEN WORSE WITH SYNCHRO SUMMONING. ABANDON SHIP. tl;dr YGO is even more busted than MTG, also screw Fairies
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Unknown Quantity posted:And this is why I wanted to move on to other card games with static keywords. YGO was always generally based off of whoever had the most money to buy the most busted-rear end cards, and after a while you had to keep track of like 600 cards, sort out the 200 that weren't awful (while still keeping track of what they might be used for), then try to account for a billion possible situations. I used to just play beatdown with strong normals like La Jinn and Harpie's Brother and had fun when the game first came out. I came back like 2-3 years later and everything's mill decks and catch-22's. So I make a zombie deck so that if anything gets milled away that I wanted I can just whip it right back. And then Zombies got hit with the nerf bat, horribly. I take another multi-year break. OH MY GOD THE MILLING IS EVEN WORSE WITH SYNCHRO SUMMONING. ABANDON SHIP. Fairy decks are the kind of deck that a minor villain would use in the anime, only to get owned when the hero pulls the exact right card to wreck them. Also, yeah, Yu-Gi-Oh is pretty busted, in much the same way as MTG, actually. That is, it's so easy for a game to be decided within just one or two turns that the old MTG joke of "the early game is shuffling your deck, the mid game is drawing your first hand, and then late game is your first turn" applies completely. And that kinda sucks, because there's a lot of cool cards that end up left by the wayside, like X-Sabers and Six Samurai. Of course, I mostly just play the last DS game, so I'm basically free to run whatever deck I want and reliably win.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:25
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Man, Giver, you really opened the floodgates with those card submissions.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:42
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giver336 posted:Looks like EpeeEm won. Don't even need to tally it. Next update should be later today or by the weekend. Let's go.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:44
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Personally, I played around the beginning of the series in the US and I stopped around early-mid GX era and came back around 5Ds. THEN I realized I had no friends and stopped playing again. And now, the game's broken beyond belief thanks to loving Pendulum summoning. I used to do a lot of High power Normals and flip-effects with a bunch of traps and the like, playing the long game with high defense monsters like Millennium Shield or Labyrinth Wall. Not even close to being viable now, and with basically EVERY loving dueling simulator being hit by Konazi and the company that does the cards/card artwork, you can't even play it casually without spending hundreds and thousands on the cards without buying the actual games. And at best, the latest game was more or less a dueling simulator in the Xexal era, so you can't practice pendulums in the slightest.
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That said, considering this game's ties to the anime and the actual card game (either of them) are tenuous at best, it might be a good idea to set up a general policy of not going too deep into the current card game or the anime beyond what's directly related to the playthrough, just so this doesn't turn into a discourse on the show and a meta that doesn't even exist in this game.
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Unknown Quantity posted:That said, considering this game's ties to the anime and the actual card game (either of them) are tenuous at best, it might be a good idea to set up a general policy of not going too deep into the current card game or the anime beyond what's directly related to the playthrough, just so this doesn't turn into a discourse on the show and a meta that doesn't even exist in this game. Yeah, if only because I never want to hear words like "Pendulum summoning" out of nerd mouths ever again.
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Lizard Wizard posted:Yeah, if only because I never want to hear words like "Pendulum summoning" out of nerd mouths ever again.
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I didn't think plain text could sound nasal, but here we are. EDIT: Holy poo poo he said "Konazi"
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Lizard Wizard posted:I didn't think plain text could sound nasal, but here we are. Second time, even. Impressive.
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Lizard Wizard posted:Man, Giver, you really opened the floodgates with those card submissions. Based on my memory I don't think he'll be able to summon a lot of them right away. You had to buy them or something, right? I think that was how they tried to stop people from just getting infinite blue eyes from the get-go. I know the later games limit your decks so harshly you can barely fit anything beyond really mediocre creatures for ages while you're fighting really well programmed decks designed to bust out super strong summoned monsters within like five turns. 
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Yeah, I remember seeing a Reshef of Destruction LP and that game is probably one of the worst YGO games made. The final boss literally cheats by having a deck capacity higher than is possible. Basically, he shouldn't be able to have the deck he has, no matter what grinding you do.
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Mysticblade posted:Yeah, I remember seeing a Reshef of Destruction LP and that game is probably one of the worst YGO games made. The final boss literally cheats by having a deck capacity higher than is possible. Basically, he shouldn't be able to have the deck he has, no matter what grinding you do. There is so much more bullshit related to Reshef of Destruction that you haven't even touched on, man. There's:
Actually I think those are the worst things about Reshef, not counting the weird battle system that tries to be some weird mix of Duelist Kingdom and actual TCG rules. Still, that game is hot garbage and it's way too loving hard.
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Mysticblade posted:Yeah, I remember seeing a Reshef of Destruction LP and that game is probably one of the worst YGO games made. The final boss literally cheats by having a deck capacity higher than is possible. Basically, he shouldn't be able to have the deck he has, no matter what grinding you do. The AI of certain characters in the games are known for cheating. In general, the AI won't attack a face-down defense position monster unless it knows it will kill it. For specific characters, though, one I can confirm is that Maximillion Pegasus in every game he's in can see your hand and all face-down monsters.
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Unknown Quantity posted:The AI of certain characters in the games are known for cheating. In general, the AI won't attack a face-down defense position monster unless it knows it will kill it. For specific characters, though, one I can confirm is that Maximillion Pegasus in every game he's in can see your hand and all face-down monsters. Well, that last part is at least consistent with the anime, as Pegasus has the Millennium Eye, which lets him see poo poo through your eyes, including all your cards. It's a decent gimmick for a boss character, and an actual good justification for the AI cheating, whereas the rest of the AIs in most of the series have no such excuse.
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Funny thing about this game: The instruction manual begins with an in-universe letter from Pegasus, but it's signed as his Japanese name, Pegasus J. Crawford. This confused the gently caress outta me when I was a kid.
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Unknown Quantity posted:The AI of certain characters in the games are known for cheating. In general, the AI won't attack a face-down defense position monster unless it knows it will kill it. For specific characters, though, one I can confirm is that Maximillion Pegasus in every game he's in can see your hand and all face-down monsters. To be slightly fair, yugioh's entire premise is based on cheating. The main character's entire magical power, is the sweet rear end gift of cheating. He outcheats the cheaters then talks about friendship and no one questions it. The only problem is that the games don't let you cheat.
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Nuebot posted:To be slightly fair, yugioh's entire premise is based on cheating. The main character's entire magical power, is the sweet rear end gift of cheating. He outcheats the cheaters then talks about friendship and no one questions it. The only problem is that the games don't let you cheat. The revelation at the end of the original series that the whole thing where Yugi would just luckily pull just the right card he needs whenever he's up against it was literally a magic power was a pretty great plot twist, simply by virtue of the video games foreshadowing it long in advance with the Destiny Draw mechanic used in several of them. Like, most viewers just assumed it was narrative license, a bit of engineered contrivance meant to keep things interesting, but then they worked it into being an actual in-universe thing.
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I only heard of this game in myth and legend, I had no idea it was this much of a mess. I remember I got bored with yugioh pretty quickly, it was a bit too simple for my tastes. Always wished that the defense points had been more akin to hit points and would have been relevant in both attack and defense mode. Feels like the early cards had that kind of system in mind.
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Wikipedia posted:Resheph (Rašap, Rešef, Reshef; Canaanite/Hebrew ršp רשף) was a Canaanite deity who provided protection against plague and war. In Egyptian iconography Resheph is depicted wearing the crown of Upper Egypt (White Crown), Yugioh does love it's aping of Egyptian mythology.
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That's the exact opposite of destruction. Konami probably just threw together some words that they thought sounded cool, even though that and "Nightmare Troubadour" sound more ridiculous.
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Y-Hat posted:That's the exact opposite of destruction. Konami probably just threw together some words that they thought sounded cool, even though that and "Nightmare Troubadour" sound more ridiculous. Well, it's named after the game's antagonist, who is also a card.. The name is definitely just a random mythological name, though.
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Oh god, I remember this loving busted-rear end game. Don't you love it when games just massively change the core rules from what they're based on??
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Tunicate posted:I mean slifer was named after some rando employee so
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Alabaster White posted:Oh god, I remember this loving busted-rear end game. Don't you love it when games just massively change the core rules from what they're based on?? Hey, we got a couple interesting games out of Konami's experimenting. Some better than others. Like, anything other than Forbidden Memories.
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