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Anoia posted:You find out about the ex-wife on day one only if you intentionally get his first order wrong and give him a sweet girly drink. I can understand, in the abstract, why someone would want to do something like this in their game, but it just does not translate well into gameplay. Why would a player expect that loving up his first drink would open up a significant extra conversation? Does every character have special dialog for specific, unintuitive drink combinations you just have to trial and error into? That just sounds like a tedious way to encourage replayability.
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Jul 23, 2016 18:30
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Pavlov posted:I can understand, in the abstract, why someone would want to do something like this in their game, but it just does not translate well into gameplay. Why would a player expect that loving up his first drink would open up a significant extra conversation? Does every character have special dialog for specific, unintuitive drink combinations you just have to trial and error into? That just sounds like a tedious way to encourage replayability. Fans of this game have seriously replayed over and over, throwing every possible drink combination at people, to see how that changes things for "maximum waifu potential." Some characters have favorite drinks they will never come close to describing to you, you just have to stumble into it. So if you love tedious, unintuitive bullshit, this is the definitely game for you.
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Jul 23, 2016 18:47
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EclecticTastes posted:There's a reason nobody's ever attempted "Law and Order SVU, but a sitcom".
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Jul 23, 2016 18:53
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Y-Hat posted:Luckily, with Ice T as a regular cast member, nobody needs to. Real or fake Ice-T SVU quote is a fun game to play.
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Jul 23, 2016 19:02
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Anoia posted:Real or fake Ice-T SVU quote is a fun game to play. Yeah This game I want it.
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Jul 23, 2016 21:43
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Sazero posted:You're flipflopping between "This game is deep" and "Lol it's just a chill game bruh". NeruVolpi posted:Point in question : good writing means development, empathy , and simpathy. The game does have all three of these, but the 'in media res slice of life' start muddles it quite a bit. Also I have a feeling there's a serious culture gap in how the bartending is handled since it seems to me to be more reminiscent of Japanese bars where the bartender isn't just there to serve you drinks but also to be a conversationalist. (I flashed back to Yakuza bar scenes quite a bit during the game.)
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Jul 23, 2016 22:42
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The game is made by venezuelans and stuffed with american pop culture references. I don't think the problem is us misunderstanding the deep complexity of nipponese culture.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Yeah Round 1: "Lab found traces of cocaine and sourdough. They call it Sweet Chowder - drug soup from Baltimore." "It's called Brenda. Kids try it at parties, next thing you know they're on cameras online, getting paid to yell at their own genitals." "You have the right to an attorney, and if you puke in my car, I'll kill you." "Don't make me chase you! I will shoot your rear end from right here!" "They glued pubic hair to his face and told him he was the Wolfman." "Yo, who the hell are you calling a bitch? This is the police!" "Final semester. Some scumbag professor tells him to finger a stork if he wants to graduate." "Aw, man. You were rubbing your mother's feet?" "These dudes kidnap kids and teach 'em how to play piano. Night before the big recital? They break their fingers." "I must be your fairy godmother!" Place your bets.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:19
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Answer:shibbotech posted:"You have the right to an attorney, and if you puke in my car, I'll kill you." I, too, read The AV Club. These are the real quotes, I've seen most of them. Think I've seen the episode with that first quote like five times over various USA weekend marathons.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:52
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My first spite avatar change and I wasn't even the one who bought that avatar.  I've been waiting for an excuse to get rid of the pussy cartel gang tag forever, though. Thanks Shibbo, you're a real pal.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:33
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EponymousMrYar posted:No, the game touches on deep subjects. It does not go in depth into those subjects. That's what I'm saying. I stand by my "This game doesn't examine poo poo" statement from earlier. 
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Jul 24, 2016 01:56
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Sazero posted:I stand by my "This game doesn't examine poo poo" statement from earlier. How can it when it's busy telling you poo poo instead of showing you anything? Boss is a badass. There's so much fighting on the streets. Trust us, ok, it's a grim future even though idol bot loves having her panties stolen.
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Jul 24, 2016 02:03
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In fairness, if J-pop idols are still a notable thing in 207X then that's pretty grim. Or maybe *Kira* Miki's creepy fanboys are all decrepit nonagenarians who refused to move with the times. That's why she's not scared of them--they'll shatter a hip if they try anything. Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Really Pants posted:In fairness, if J-pop idols are still a notable thing in 207X then that's pretty grim. Manufactured and tightly controlled pop stars designed to push merchandise while also playing on the obsession of single fand doesn't belong in your cyberpunk future?
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Jul 24, 2016 02:25
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They wouldn't be vocaloids, though. That'd be moldy oldies in '7X. I'm picturing some kind of abstract hologram fractal bullshit. Just a big bunch of colorful flying triangles that look really nice when you're getting cyber-high on your synth-drugs.
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Jul 24, 2016 02:35
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EclecticTastes posted:I, too, read The AV Club. These are the real quotes, I've seen most of them. Think I've seen the episode with that first quote like five times over various USA weekend marathons. I actually don't read the AV Club, but you're a winner. Congrats. I'd offer you plat, but you'll have to settle for an internet brohug instead.  Anoia posted:My first spite avatar change and I wasn't even the one who bought that avatar. Anything for you, bby. What's a stranger but a friend you haven't met yet, after all. Really Pants posted:They wouldn't be vocaloids, though. That'd be moldy oldies in '7X. Binaural beats + LSD + Mandelbrot sets = CYBERPUNK MEGADRUGS
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Jul 24, 2016 03:05
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Can't we just ban depictions of sexualized minors and be done with it?
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Pavlov posted:I can understand, in the abstract, why someone would want to do something like this in their game, but it just does not translate well into gameplay. Why would a player expect that loving up his first drink would open up a significant extra conversation? Does every character have special dialog for specific, unintuitive drink combinations you just have to trial and error into? That just sounds like a tedious way to encourage replayability. Anoia posted:Fans of this game have seriously replayed over and over, throwing every possible drink combination at people, to see how that changes things for "maximum waifu potential." This is what I was worried about when I heard the premise and it sounds as bad as I thought. I was hoping that the comparison to Papers Please was slightly unfair but they really seem to have gone for that style and just screwed up. I know plenty of people like the "find the story yourself" concept but this sounds like it's just hiding story for novelty. Pollyanna posted:Can't we just ban depictions of sexualized minors and be done with it? Let's not turn this into an argument about when censorship is justified
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Pollyanna posted:Can't we just ban depictions of sexualized minors and be done with it? Lets just do this because I can't think of any instance where anything of worth has been done with this premise in a videogame.
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Jul 24, 2016 03:55
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This game had a great narrative framework going for it unfortunately literally everything else was a hot mess
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HighwireAct posted:This game had a great narrative framework going for it The end of day report that shows you're a bartender struggling to get by would be great, if it meant gently caress all and wasn't just something they blindly lifted from Papers Please. What are the stakes here? Feeding your family? No, media subscriptions and room customization. They miss the point so badly it's comical.
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Jul 24, 2016 04:53
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Rent too. It being the second thing makes sense within the framework (since rent is usually monthly) but there's not enough info on the subscription to make it seem worth what the game throws your way in the first week.
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Jul 24, 2016 05:24
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I'm sure there's an argument to be made here that they were trying to show off the distracting value of consumerism as filling the lives of people in this cyberpunk future with false meaning, but... Just watch Fifteen Million Merits instead. It deals with meaningless activity, awful media, and horrible futures way better.
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Pavlov posted:The game is made by venezuelans and stuffed with american pop culture references.
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Jul 24, 2016 05:35
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I came here to talk about how I actually enjoyed this game. It appears I have poo poo taste according to goons.
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shibbotech posted:I actually don't read the AV Club, but you're a winner. Congrats. I'd offer you plat, but you'll have to settle for an internet brohug instead.  All of the fake quotes were used in an AVClub article that examined the "fake Fin quotes" meme.  Anyway, being right is all the reward I need. 
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Jul 24, 2016 06:01
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YOTC posted:I came here to talk about how I actually enjoyed this game. Vall Hall A does some things right and deserves credit for it.It also does things wrong and unfortunately those come first.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:11
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EponymousMrYar posted:
There is a part coming up I actually enjoyed. ...for about 3 seconds because not being able to control the dialogue is loving torture when conversations are forever going in circles around drink orders.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:16
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I like Donovan so far. He reminds me of a cross between a crass, old-school newspaper mogul like Jonah Jameson and a new media executive who just wants clicks at all costs like Nick Denton or the guy who founded Buzzfeed. And the interactions between Jill, Gill, and Dana are funny in a lighthearted way. Everyone else sucks in various degrees, except for that Avenging Angel or whatever she's called, who just struck me as bland.
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Y-Hat posted:I like Donovan so far. He reminds me of a cross between a crass, old-school newspaper mogul like Jonah Jameson and a new media executive who just wants clicks at all costs like Nick Denton or the guy who founded Buzzfeed. And the interactions between Jill, Gill, and Dana are funny in a lighthearted way.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:42
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YOTC posted:I came here to talk about how I actually enjoyed this game. What about this game did you like? I am clearly a minority of people who didn't enjoy it.
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Zenithe posted:What about this game did you like? I am clearly a minority of people who didn't enjoy it.
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Niggurath posted:I'd go with the soundtracks, the visual aesthetic, and the way it is able to tell a story without necessarily needing to see the story. It's an interesting medium where you're getting an idea of the world outside and the world going on around you without having an omnipotent view of it. People come to your character as a means of verbal and tension release, like cyberpunk Cheers and instead of disgruntled mailmen or lecherous hillbillies, you've got whatever fits into the world's setting. I mean in the case of most visual novels they are built around solving murders, making dialogue choices to seduce a busty waifu, or re-working your way through your favorite anime. So yeah, this game ain't so bad. I'm on board for the first two, and there are certain aspects to the setting I find interesting, like most cyberpunk settings. The thing is, if what you described was the actual game then I would be fully on board. Particularly with the start of the game though, the story has so much forced exposition as your "regulars" turn up and need to basically introduce themselves from scratch, and it seems super awkward to me. Added with the fact that a lot of the themes touched on are super creepy and (as far as I've played) not really justified artistically, and the conversation for almost all characters doesn't flow. Maybe this comes from the need to talk about different things depending on inebriation status, but you can basically hear the game shift gears every time there is a new topic brought up.
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It reminds me of Snatcher, everyone has to re-explain everything to you and introduce basic concepts of the world...except they do it with the hackneyed idea of the main character having amnesia. Also it's got really stilted conversations, poorly constructed dialogue trees and pretty lovely puzzles. Also it setups super skeezy ideas like hitting on an underage girl after you've told her that her father been brutally murdered. Then there are the facts that it's just a collection of stolen sci-fi ideas and characters....and yet it's not really considered a bad game and quite a few people enjoy it, myself included. Some games just really aren't for some people; doesn't really make a game terrible.
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Niggurath posted:It reminds me of Snatcher, everyone has to re-explain everything to you and introduce basic concepts of the world...except they do it with the hackneyed idea of the main character having amnesia. Also it's got really stilted conversations, poorly constructed dialogue trees and pretty lovely puzzles. Also it setups super skeezy ideas like hitting on an underage girl after you've told her that her father been brutally murdered. Then there are the facts that it's just a collection of stolen sci-fi ideas and characters....and yet it's not really considered a bad game and quite a few people enjoy it, myself included. Some games just really aren't for some people; doesn't really make a game terrible. The difference between this and Snatcher is one of degrees and scope. This game deals in subject matter far creepier, and, more importantly, far more of the dialog is made up of said creepy poo poo. It's not something you can make fun of and then dismiss because there's a whole big game around it the way Snatcher was, the creepy sex talk scenes are the game in this case.
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EclecticTastes posted:The difference between this and Snatcher is one of degrees and scope. This game deals in subject matter far creepier, and, more importantly, far more of the dialog is made up of said creepy poo poo. It's not something you can make fun of and then dismiss because there's a whole big game around it the way Snatcher was, the creepy sex talk scenes are the game in this case.
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Niggurath posted:The difference to me is that this game deals a lot of with parody and that I don't assume this is intended as some outlet for the author's sexual inclinations. What exactly do you feel this game is a parody of in that case?
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Zenithe posted:What exactly do you feel this game is a parody of in that case?
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