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Immortan posted:Are you saying you know who your father is? Yes, I do actually! He died years ago but was a good dad and always supported me. Some others like you have already commented on how they felt that was the least believable part of my story. e: Crowsbeak posted:Why shouldn't we try to eliminate the concept? Who is "we"? Serious question. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the immanent loss of a white majority is going to change anything? Why would it lead to the expansion of whiteness, which is historically unprecedented, rather than the expansion of voter suppression and disenfranchisement, which does have historical backing?
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Blue Star posted:Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen. Ah, the white gene is the conqueror gene. Truly, it was no accident of history that allowed the white to take his throne
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Brainiac Five posted:Why would it lead to the expansion of whiteness, which is historically unprecedented, rather than the expansion of voter suppression and disenfranchisement, which does have historical backing? I asked that as a real question and not a rhetorical challenge. I don't have any idea what the answer is.
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Crowsbeak posted:Why shouldn't we try to eliminate the concept? Ah the old "if we just stopped talking about it" tactic.
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Jack Gladney posted:I asked that as a real question and not a rhetorical challenge. I don't have any idea what the answer is. I think that there's not enough intellectual flexibility in the concept for it to survive by altering itself. So I think that, if anything, whiteness will probably collapse in the US (and thus Canada in all likelihood) but potentially persist in Europe and Australia/New Zealand etc. for a period beyond that.
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the immanent loss of a white majority is going to change anything? Why do you think it is that "whiteness" is an expandable category for perceived economic success of a group? edit: I don't think raw demographics alone changes things as can be perceived historically in other societies with a colonial foundation, to answer your question. Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 05:32
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Berke Negri posted:Is that a rhetorical question or are you simply asking me? No, I'm simply asking. I don't think I have a very good handle on some of the concepts involved. Also I wasn't saying that perceived success makes all/most members of a group white, but that whiteness can be a permeable boundary if one is enculturated in the right way and has the cash.
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Buca di Bepis posted:No they aren't "Work ethic" is an invention by the laziest group of people on the planet to justify their own collective wealth and privilege and to con the people who actually work into not trying to improve their lot in life at the expense of the gravy train. This group is, coincidentally, also ground zero for the generic unthinking reactionary politics that's responsible for more racial and religious violence than the Klan and every terrorist group on the planet could ever hope to achieve by way of impulsive apathetic endorsement.
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Schizotek posted:"Work ethic" is an invention by the laziest group of people on the planet to justify their own collective wealth and privilege and to con the people who actually work into not trying to improve their lot in life at the expense of the gravy train. This group is, coincidentally, also ground zero for the generic unthinking reactionary politics that's responsible for more racial and religious violence than the Klan and every terrorist group on the planet could ever hope to achieve by way of impulsive apathetic endorsement. Well no, it isn't. Not really.
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Jul 31, 2016 06:10
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Schizotek posted:"Work ethic" is an invention by the laziest group of people on the planet to justify their own collective wealth and privilege and to con the people who actually work into not trying to improve their lot in life at the expense of the gravy train. This group is, coincidentally, also ground zero for the generic unthinking reactionary politics that's responsible for more racial and religious violence than the Klan and every terrorist group on the planet could ever hope to achieve by way of impulsive apathetic endorsement. Valuing hard work is a great thing in a rural agrarian society where the amount of work done directly affects the physical well-being of both individuals and the community as a whole.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Valuing hard work is a great thing in a rural agrarian society where the amount of work done directly affects the physical well-being of both individuals and the community as a whole. Someone should have told the medieval peasants who ended up declaring a third of the year holidays this.
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Brainiac Five posted:Someone should have told the medieval peasants who ended up declaring a third of the year holidays this. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I have no idea what you're trying to say here. If peasants in an extremely agrarian society valued hard work, why did they push continuously for more time off?
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Brainiac Five posted:If peasants in an extremely agrarian society valued hard work, why did they push continuously for more time off? If you think their "time off" did not include doing quite a bit of necessary work, you're very ignorant.
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Jul 31, 2016 06:21
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Jerry Cotton posted:If you think their "time off" did not include doing quite a bit of necessary work, you're very ignorant. Why were they valuing holidays and festivals instead of valuing hard work? Like, your argument is based around values, so you arguing on something other than the level of values is ridiculous.
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Brainiac Five posted:Why were they valuing holidays and festivals instead of valuing hard work? Like, your argument is based around values, so you arguing on something other than the level of values is ridiculous. I didn't even know I'd made an argument. I'm merely stating facts here.
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You suck.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I didn't even know I'd made an argument. I'm merely stating facts here. Saying your beliefs are indisputable is not a healthy response to being challenged. Jerry Cotton posted:You suck. Nor is this kind of posting.
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Jul 31, 2016 06:29
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There is also a difference between valuing the participation in socially necessary labor and the Protestant Work Ethic which is what people often refer to when mentioning work ethic in the US.
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Jul 31, 2016 06:46
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Jerry Cotton posted:Valuing hard work is a great thing in a rural agrarian society where the amount of work done directly affects the physical well-being of both individuals and the community as a whole. Rural agrarian society where most of the work benefits the community instead of some sort of landlord hasn't existed in Western society in a meaningful way in over five hundred loving years.
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Schizotek posted:Rural agrarian society where most of the work benefits the community instead of some sort of landlord hasn't existed in Western society in a meaningful way in over five hundred loving years. It's existed in extremely meaningful communal ways in much of the US since the nation's inception.
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Jul 31, 2016 07:01
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Schizotek posted:Rural agrarian society where most of the work benefits the community instead of some sort of landlord hasn't existed in Western society in a meaningful way in over five hundred loving years. Having a landlord who literally steals 90% of what you work for makes working hard all the more important now doesn't it.
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Anyway, 500 years isn't exactly a long time.
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Jerry Cotton posted:If you think their "time off" did not include doing quite a bit of necessary work, you're very ignorant. Hey we're going to go get drunk. A guy came through who made a flute out of a chicken leg bone. It's going to be lit
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Jerry Cotton posted:Having a landlord who literally steals 90% of what you work for makes working hard all the more important now doesn't it. But why was leisure under feudal lords so different from unstructured time under capitalism?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Anyway, 500 years isn't exactly a long time. It is definitely pre-post-9/11 though which means that nothing that happened then mattered or is in any way comparable to things that happen post-post-9/11.
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Uhh, work ethic just means recognizing that exerting effort can result in improving the lives of those you care about and yourself. It does not or should not mean that you should sell your soul to capitalism, and really applies to any sort of society, even post-work ones probably.
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