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One of the things from the right that is odd for me to hear is "We must protect White Culture". It strikes me as odd because even as a white person I have no clue what they are talking about. I can tell that the phrase "White Culture" Is a racist dogwhistle, maybe even a regular whistle, but I keep wondering what they define white culture as. In America at least you can pick out aspects of our culture and see where it originated from but I get the feeling that "White" Might mean not everything that is part of American culture. This confusion also comes from a personal belief of mine about how American's celebrate cultures that are normally considered white like Germans, Irish, Italians, French, Polish (City I work has this huge Polish Community Center) We get specific about what white cultures we celebrate. St. Patrick's Day, Oktober Fest, Columbus Day(? I heard in some places thats treated as an Italian holiday) But if you just say you celebrate white culture people think Confederate flags and white hoods. Someone smarter than me as well probably can give a more full description of how "Culture" Is defined for clarity sake.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:14
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Assuming the sort of people who use the phrase "White Culture" actually have a clear conception of what they're talking about is giving them too much credit.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:16
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Bland food, stoicism, weird little christian denominations, individualism
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Jul 27, 2016 01:16
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JeffersonClay posted:Bland food, stoicism, weird little christian denominations, individualism
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Jul 27, 2016 01:17
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banjo music, showtunes, riverdance
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Jul 27, 2016 01:20
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White people don't really have any culture. Everything was stolen from people with actual culture. Music, food, technology, everything.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:21
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Jul 27, 2016 01:22
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Jul 27, 2016 01:22
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Mel Mudkiper posted:banjo music, showtunes, riverdance
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Jul 27, 2016 01:23
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Banjo music was stolen from Africans, though. Yep, even hillbilly bluegrass music isn't white, but black. Even country music was stolen by whites, not just rock and roll.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:25
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Jul 27, 2016 01:27
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Blue Star posted:White people don't really have any culture. Everything was stolen from people with actual culture. Music, food, technology, everything. I can see you've never tasted pickled herring or experienced the joy of dancing round a may-pole. White Genocide is happening, friends!
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Jul 27, 2016 01:29
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Its a shifting cargo cult identity that was always used to separate the real citizens from the rest of the world. Those who weren't white ages ago (Irish, Italian and basically anyone who wasn't Anglo Saxon/German/French/Scandinavian or the power players of Europe for a time) have become white now to keep people thinking that white is a majority and white is in power. White has always been about having the right heritage and the right to rule, even if you currently aren't rich or powerful. So its perfectly adaptable to people who worship the antebellum south.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:40
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BigRed0427 posted:This confusion also comes from a personal belief of mine about how American's celebrate cultures that are normally considered white like Germans, Irish, Italians, French, Polish (City I work has this huge Polish Community Center) We get specific about what white cultures we celebrate. St. Patrick's Day, Oktober Fest, Columbus Day(? I heard in some places thats treated as an Italian holiday) But if you just say you celebrate white culture people think Confederate flags and white hoods. When did the Slavs and southeners get to count as white? Next you'll be telling me that the asiatic finn is trying to claim whiteness As for the Irish, please consult this handy chart:  JeffersonClay posted:I can see you've never tasted pickled herring or experienced the joy of dancing round a may-pole. White Genocide is happening, friends! Though maybe, just maybe OP, you might have problems trying to point out definite shared cultural elements when you're a nation of immigrants spanning almost half a continent
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Jul 27, 2016 01:44
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Jul 27, 2016 01:44
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drowningidiot posted:truck nutz But not deez nuts.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:46
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Blue Star posted:White people don't really have any culture. Everything was stolen from people with actual culture. Music, food, technology, everything. Polka is white.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:49
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 More seriously, it's whatever they like that distinguishes them from others. This isn't a consistent cultural definition, but it's based in a racial concept without consistent roots, so it's always been fluid. The classic example is that for a long time, the Irish, and Irish culture, were not considered white.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:50
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Jul 27, 2016 01:51
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JeffersonClay posted:I can see you've never tasted pickled herring or experienced the joy of dancing round a may-pole.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:51
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Conquering the planet. A lust for the death of all other cultures and their own poors. Also, forums. The first to forum.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:52
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JeffersonClay posted:I can see you've never tasted pickled herring or experienced the joy of dancing round a may-pole. White Genocide is happening, friends! I have danced around a maypole. My dad is a gym teacher and that's one of the units he does. I forget what grade does it.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:53
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Pretending you're black then getting found out..
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Jul 27, 2016 01:53
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Whenever I think of 'white culture' i think of old timey W.A.S.Ps. You know the sort: polos with popped collars, big stupid impractical cars that get dunked on by the Japanese, hummus, bovril, Christmas turkey.. Now I'm just hungry
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Jul 27, 2016 01:54
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Judakel posted:Pretending you're black then getting found out.. Demanding proof of whiteness from some, proof of blackness from others.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:55
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Another question I just realized. Has anyone found examples of weird anti Irish, Italian, some other group of white people that is still discriminated in back woods parts of the US today?
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Jul 27, 2016 01:57
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While demanding acknowledgement that they're 1/56th Cree or some poo poo.
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Jul 27, 2016 01:57
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BigRed0427 posted:Another question I just realized. Has anyone found examples of weird anti Irish, Italian, some other group of white people that is still discriminated in back woods parts of the US today? (((nope)))
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Jul 27, 2016 01:58
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BigRed0427 posted:Another question I just realized. Has anyone found examples of weird anti Irish, Italian, some other group of white people that is still discriminated in back woods parts of the US today? Being more on the ethnic side of white ethnic definitely still gets you at least a little discrimination in the most whitebread parts of the country, yes. Probably not Irish or German but if you're Jewish or like really Italian or some variety of eastern european yeah icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Jul 27, 2016 02:02
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maybe not Irish or Italian explicitly but there are still weird Anti-Catholic pockets
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Jul 27, 2016 02:03
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beautiful harmonies and fear of hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot4ulSeYcHU&t=12s
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Discendo Vox posted:
This is bullshit that gets repeated everywhere unfortunately. Irish were never considered nonwhite except as a joke. British political culture had very deepseated prejudice against Catholics because it saw them as agents of totalitarianism and absolutism. Scientific racist schemata tended to use language family as a guide to racial classification but even as a different linguistic group than Anglo-Saxons Irish were still considered Caucasian, aka White icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Jul 27, 2016 02:10
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icantfindaname posted:This is bullshit that gets repeated everywhere unfortunately. Irish were never considered nonwhite except as a joke. British political culture had very deepseated prejudice against Catholics because it saw them as agents of totalitarianism and absolutism. Scientific racist schemata tended to use language family as a guide to racial classification but even as a different linguistic group than Anglo-Saxons Irish were still considered Caucasian, aka White My apologies, thanks for the correction. I don't know the history of the relevant period more than my undergrad survey course, which has apparently misled me.
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Jul 27, 2016 02:24
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icantfindaname posted:Anglo-Saxons Irish were still considered Caucasian, aka White I think its reductive to think being caucasian is the measuring stick of whiteness I mean, at this point most Americans wouldn't consider Turks white
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Jul 27, 2016 02:28
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Jul 27, 2016 02:34
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I think its reductive to think being caucasian is the measuring stick of whiteness The Middle East is sort of a weird halfway zone at least for people with lighter skin, where culture is used as the delineator. Like, Middle Eastern Christians with light enough skin for example pretty much count with other white ethnics. Maronites and Armenians, for example, are small but fully integrated communities in the US treated basically no different than Italians. Greeks are arguably aso middle easterners. Turks aren't considered white because of their religion/culture, not their skin color.
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Jul 27, 2016 02:36
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icantfindaname posted:Turks aren't considered white because of their religion/culture, not their skin color. that's my point white isn't a racial descriptor its a fluid cultural one
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Mel Mudkiper posted:that's my point It's not especially fluid though, it means 'Caucasian Christian or Jew'. Caucasian is a requirement, Muslim gets you booted. Subcontinental Indians or East Asians are never going to be considered white no matter how integrated into society they are, for example
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