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Best Orson Welles Movie?
Citizen Kane
The Magnificent Ambersons
The Stranger
The Lady from Shanghai
Macbeth
Othello
Mr. Arkadin
Touch of Evil
The Trial
Chimes at Midnight
The Immortal Story
F for Fake
Transformers: The Movie
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MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Professor Shark posted:

I'll check it out!

The Relic Radio podcast has a program just for Orson Welles stuff. To my knowledge they've put up every Lives of Harry Lime episode, though the audio quality varies greatly. I wish all 50 or so episodes would be remastered.

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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

MeatwadIsGod posted:

The Relic Radio podcast has a program just for Orson Welles stuff. To my knowledge they've put up every Lives of Harry Lime episode, though the audio quality varies greatly. I wish all 50 or so episodes would be remastered.

I've recently found a collection of every episode of Saturday Night Theatre and wish that someone would fix the older episodes that have that very loud white noise in the background that is louder than the actors :(

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Applewhite posted:

My favorite Orson Welles story is how his last and greatest role was the voice of Unicron in the Transformers Movie and he went to his grave knowing that his enduring legacy was as the voice of a Japanese toy.

well at least it puts the new one to shame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lo7JPLJUUU

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
also did they cast him as unicron because of his voracious appetite

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Think about how Welles made a name for himself (at least partly) because of the WPA. Can you imagine a federal jobs program for artists and actors nowadays? Thank you FDR for being awesome.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Think about how Welles made a name for himself (at least partly) because of the WPA. Can you imagine a federal jobs program for artists and actors nowadays? Thank you FDR for being awesome.

Even better, it was his all-black adaptation of Macbeth for the WPA that put his name on the map.

Which he directed when he was 20 years old.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Welles talking about Churchill being a smartass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpqwY7QL7r8

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Beef Turret posted:

Guy sucks and thinks symbols are better than stories and all his actors are "actory" and fake as hell. I'd rather sit through a mumblecore movie than rewatch any of that poo poo

i haven't watch much mumblecore but mumblegore like adam wingard and ti west is very good imo

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
i wonder what welles would think of found footage. f for fake makes me think he wouldn't be against it and maybe think it was actually interesting, but i am pretty sure he wouldn't enjoy most examples of it.

pr0k
Jan 16, 2001

"Well if it's gonna be
that kind of party..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxwf1jxdaM

spud
Aug 27, 2003

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Even though I loved most of his movies, all I can think of when someone says "Orson loving Welles" is "Big Fat Bastard".

RIP you Big Fat Bastard.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Orson Welles on other filmmakers:

Kubrick:
"The Killing was better than The Asphalt Jungle... for me, Kubrick is a better director than Huston. I haven't seen Lolita, but I believe Kubrick can do everything."
"Among the young generation, Kubrick strikes me as a giant."

Godard:
"His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can't take him very seriously as a thinker - and that's where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin."

Bunuel:
"He's a deeply Christian man who hates God as only a Christian can and, of course, he's very Spanish."

Fellini:
"His films are a small-town boy's dream of a big city. His sophistication works because it is the creation of someone who doesn't have it. But he shows dangerous signs of being a superlative artist with little to say."

and filmmakers on Orson Welles:

Bergman:
"For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable."


Also, Donald Trump on Orson Welles:

"I loved Orson Welles. He was totally hosed up. He was a total mess. But think of his wives. Think of his hits. He was like this great genius that after 26, never did it. He became totally impossible. He thought everybody was a moron, everybody was this, everybody was that; if he had a budget he’d exceed it by 20 times and destroy everything. He became impossible. I loved that."

(Note: Welles rarely went over-budget. He went 21 days over-schedule and roughly $100,000 over budget on Citizen Kane, which is like $16 million in today's money and wasn't uncommon. By comparison, Casablanca went over-budget about the same amount and had all sorts of production issues)

Egbert Souse fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 28, 2016

Tonsured
Jan 14, 2005

I came across mention of a Gnostic codex called The Unreal God and the Aspects of His Nonexistent Universe, an idea which reduced me to helpless laughter. What kind of person would write about something that he knows doesn't exist, and how can something that doesn't exist have aspects?
HE DID IT HE SET FIRE TO IT AND HE HATED JOHN DEERE I LIVED NEAR GRAND DETOUR AND HE loving BURNED THAT poo poo

Tonsured
Jan 14, 2005

I came across mention of a Gnostic codex called The Unreal God and the Aspects of His Nonexistent Universe, an idea which reduced me to helpless laughter. What kind of person would write about something that he knows doesn't exist, and how can something that doesn't exist have aspects?
I bathed with Ronald Reagan in a toilet we flushed naked into the rock river

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Egbert Souse posted:

Orson Welles on other filmmakers:

drat, he is pretty much right on the money with all of these.

Egbert Souse posted:

Bergman:
"For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable."

My heart can't take this. I mean I get not liking Kane specifically but Bergman not liking Welles makes me sad :(

Beef Turret
Jul 9, 2009

by Lowtax
He's right.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
What is your favorite Bergman Beef Turret, you seem like a Wild Strawberries type of guy.

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

PBS Newshour posted:

What is your favorite Bergman Beef Turret, you seem like a Wild Strawberries type of guy.

rofl

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

Applewhite posted:

He would have been great as Baron Harkonnen.

What might have been...

christ I love that story of him at the restaurant

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

If you want your mind blown...

The Criterion Collection released Citizen Kane on laserdisc for the first time while Orson Welles was still alive.

In one of the last conversations in My Lunches with Orson, Welles actually mentions being approached to do an audio commentary track.

He declined it on the basis of not believing it needing such a track, but he liked the idea of doing commentaries for bad movies to point out what was done wrong.

Nick Rivers
Nov 23, 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6N8ADDDs0k

Fairly passive
Nov 4, 2012

Not as productive as I should be

Egbert Souse posted:



He declined it on the basis of not believing it needing such a track, but he liked the idea of doing commentaries for bad movies to point out what was done wrong.

Orson > Mike > Joel

us vs also us
Jul 8, 2007

Hello! I hope you are having a nice day!
i've been waiting for an excuse to post this, the most worthless line of dialogue in the history of film

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/42c902a0-e949-44da-a9d7-504ed6a65cdb

Jim Barris
Aug 13, 2009
drat it was really hard to choose between Touch of Evil and F for Fake. Everyone who voted for Citizen Kane is a loving liar or it's the only Orson Welles movie they've seen.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Aawwwhhhhh the Freeench

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Jim Barris posted:

drat it was really hard to choose between Touch of Evil and F for Fake. Everyone who voted for Citizen Kane is a loving liar or it's the only Orson Welles movie they've seen.

Citizen Kane is great, but Welles managed to top himself with each subsequent film for the most part.

I feel bad that I haven't seen Macbeth, Chimes at Midnight, or The Immortal Story yet. The latter two are coming out on Blu-Ray from Criterion and I have Macbeth saved on my DVR from Turner Classic Movies.

My opinions on what I have seen:

Citizen Kane - Great. Now let's move on, everyone knows about this one.
The Magnificent Ambersons - Fascinating, but it has bizarre pacing thanks to all the edits.
The Stranger - Welles was "for hire" but it's a great film between it subject matter and some really incredible photography. I love the scene where Kindler lures his old Nazi friend into the woods and it's all done in one long take.
The Lady from Shanghai - Strange, again due to edits, but it actually works to give it this air of surrealism. Welles' Irish accent has to be heard to believed. Also, Everett Sloane is hilarious in this.
Othello - Kind of left me flat, despite looking incredible. Due for a re-watch.
Mr. Arkadin - I've only seen the "reconstruction" on Criterion's DVD. It's alright. Pretty, as usual, but probably my least favorite of his films.
Touch of Evil - AWESOME.
The Trial - EVEN MORE AWESOME. One of those films that really sticks with you because it's so haunting.
F for Fake - My all-time favorite movie and my favorite of his (obviously).

The Pony Incident posted:

i've been waiting for an excuse to post this, the most worthless line of dialogue in the history of film

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/42c902a0-e949-44da-a9d7-504ed6a65cdb

We can forgive a bad dialogue or slow third act. It was only his first movie, after all.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Egbert Souse posted:

Someone should do a porno parody of Citizen Kane that 100% looks like a Welles movie

p much sounds like leo dicaprio's sex yacht

Howard Beale
Feb 22, 2001

It's like this, Peanut
Okay so first if you want to learn more than you ever thought you'd learn about Orson Welles go out and get Simon Callow's biography on the man. The biography is actually an ongoing work and the third volume was just published this spring. It covers Welles' life from 1947 to 1964 and his exile from the US, so you get Touch of Evil and The Trial plus tons of stage projects and stuff. Callow puts out a volume every ten years or so, he does insane amounts of research and it's great.

Then try to find the 1993 documentary on Welles' unfinished film project It's All True, which was shot in Latin America during 1941-1942. This was the film that cost him an insanely lenient contract with RKO, one which allowed him to shoot whatever he wanted with complete creative control. (In a nutshell: Orson Welles goes to Brazil, drinks and screws his way through Carnaval under the pretense of making a movie, inadvertently kills a national hero, and loses not only the project and his contract but also editorial control over The Magnificent Ambersons, which was what really hurt.)

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Fairly passive posted:

Orson > Mike > Joel

This made me happy then it made me sad

reallivedinosaur
Jun 13, 2012

Ogdober subrise! XDDD
i liked him in pinky and the brain

Simstim
Mar 16, 2005

You just gave me a great idea buddy.
welles nostrodamus special

https://vimeo.com/25690390

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3HVCwPp7j0

aswert1223
Dec 6, 2004

The Ultimate Dripping Machine
If you are not already aware of this, please give it a listen. Absolute genius, although those under 50 may need Google open to get more than 10% of the references.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MpRcSLVncA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrRH4nArBLw

You're welcome

reallivedinosaur
Jun 13, 2012

Ogdober subrise! XDDD
know who else was spooky

vincent price

That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

ask me anything about robots
Buglord

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Think about how Welles made a name for himself (at least partly) because of the WPA. Can you imagine a federal jobs program for artists and actors nowadays? Thank you FDR for being awesome.

i miss the WPA

gently caress these starve the beast sumbitches

That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

ask me anything about robots
Buglord

PBS Newshour posted:

What is your favorite Bergman Beef Turret, you seem like a Wild Strawberries type of guy.

the seventh seal is good poo poo

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Howard Beale posted:

Okay so first if you want to learn more than you ever thought you'd learn about Orson Welles go out and get Simon Callow's biography on the man. The biography is actually an ongoing work and the third volume was just published this spring. It covers Welles' life from 1947 to 1964 and his exile from the US, so you get Touch of Evil and The Trial plus tons of stage projects and stuff. Callow puts out a volume every ten years or so, he does insane amounts of research and it's great.

Then try to find the 1993 documentary on Welles' unfinished film project It's All True, which was shot in Latin America during 1941-1942. This was the film that cost him an insanely lenient contract with RKO, one which allowed him to shoot whatever he wanted with complete creative control. (In a nutshell: Orson Welles goes to Brazil, drinks and screws his way through Carnaval under the pretense of making a movie, inadvertently kills a national hero, and loses not only the project and his contract but also editorial control over The Magnificent Ambersons, which was what really hurt.)

I made this thread after watching Chuck Workman's documentary Magician, which is a really good "basic" documentary on Welles. Callow appears in a few interviews.

I'll have to make an effort to read Callow's biographies.



Someone uploaded a workprint of Welles' unfinished documentary Filming The Trial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BR034qDsk

(Welles intended F for Fake to be the first of many "essay" films, which he sort of followed up with Filming Othello, then was going to follow up with this)

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Its probably not my favorite but everyone in this thread should see The Stranger, its in the public domain and is great Golden Age Hollywood picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zU7MoRuGDw

us vs also us
Jul 8, 2007

Hello! I hope you are having a nice day!
Let's go to the window

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

That Robot posted:

the seventh seal is good poo poo

I like how it's secretly a really funny movie.

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