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ukle posted:He is going to get >20% of the vote, describing that as the same as someone who only gets 6 votes in a council election is slightly preposterous. Not really, they both lose in the end. Has there ever been a failed leadership candidate who later actually got the position?
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Aug 2, 2016 22:18
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Cerv posted:Nixon did make his come back in the USA famously. So there's hope for Tony Blair yet.
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Aug 2, 2016 23:26
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"We know how to really win an election" says side about to receive a crushing defeat in an election. "Jeremy Corbyn will never win in 2020" says many critics who completely failed to predict Corbyn winning the Leadership election, or pretty much anything that's happened in the past year.
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Aug 2, 2016 23:41
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OwlFancier posted:Socialists, in the Labour party? It'll never catch on.
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Aug 2, 2016 23:53
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LeoMarr posted:What are all the MPs that resigned doing? can they just join any party they want now Sulking mainly. They're all still Labour Party, because no one is stupid enough to believe that they'll win seats in a different party or that forming a new one would get any real support.
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Aug 2, 2016 23:56
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To be fair to Owen Smith (And I don't have to be), he is in a pretty unenviable position if you were in his shoes. Corbyn doesn't do personal attacks, so if Owen Smith attacks him he looks like an utter dick. Unfortunately he can't attack Corbyn's policies either, because the Labour Members quite like those too. Which means he's left with trying to personally attack Corbyn in a way that doesn't make it look like he's doing it and trying to be more Corbyn than Corbyn himself when it comes to policies. I think he's doing the best he can with that hand and it isn't a terrible showing from the guy all things considered. But Corbyn wasn't unpopular with the membership when this started and his politics weren't unpopular either, so this was never winnable for Smith. Also since I don't have to be fair to the guy, I can point out he's a loving idiot for trying this when the deck was so clearly stacked against him.
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Aug 5, 2016 01:04
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Ive decided he must be trying to push corbyn to do electability boosting things like come up with concrete policies. I feel like this is a nice and happy alternate reality to inhabit. Maybe having seen how well it did in Brexit, this is all just a long con to make Corbyn the Anti-Establishment candidate who sweeps a GE.
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Aug 5, 2016 01:57
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Lt. Danger posted:So I'm trying to decide who to vote for in the Labour leadership election by comparing policies. Could someone tell me Owen Smith's policy on losing general elections? I know Corbyn's already because of all the interviews asking what he'll do when he loses (a standard question for any political leader). Owen Smith would like to know what your opinion is first and then it's that and has always been that.
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Aug 7, 2016 21:42
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New Labour embraced laize-faire capitalism and as a vote winner it worked really great right up until 2007 where for some reason people suddenly changed their opinion on how good an idea it is to let the markets manage themselves.
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Aug 7, 2016 21:54
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Grassroots alliance swept the NEC election. TIBFC?
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Aug 8, 2016 18:19
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Owen Smith was on ITV and it was a bit sad. quote:'I'd really like to go to some of those momentum rallies with Jeremy. I've asked him to let me attend and speak to the great masses he's drawing from the momentum movement. Despite the American ones going on for seemingly forever and Labour having a Leadership contest less than a year ago, Owen Smith still doesn't know how they work. Corbyn ain't going to do you any favours.
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Aug 10, 2016 20:56
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Cerv posted:https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1177 quote:Corbyn must be ousted at all costs. Everything else can be fixed later. Could have just been that. Clearly states their goal and their lack of thought into how to achieve it or what it would even achieve by doing it.
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Aug 17, 2016 00:22
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Why should the Conservatives get all the fun of making bad decisions for no tangible gain?
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Aug 17, 2016 00:29
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Corbyn once again refusing to say he's start World War 3. Unelectable.
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Aug 19, 2016 00:49
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Cerv posted:Yeah pretty badly. Spoiler: the Russians lose WW3 This doesn't seem stupid, providing everyone else lost it too.
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Aug 19, 2016 19:41
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I haven't received an email saying I can vote yet, clearly being an SA mod disqualifies you from the party as it probably should. That or Welsh Labour are just being lazy fucks like usual. Oovee posted:So any word on when ye folks are leaving the EU? 2019 is when we've scheduled the next announcement that we're going to be delaying it.
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Aug 19, 2016 20:35
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tooterfish posted:When Star Citizen comes out. And we're going to be equally satisfied with the end result compared to what we were promised.
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Aug 19, 2016 20:54
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OwlFancier posted:I mean the PLP is behaving very weirdly and I'm finding it somewhat helpful to try to figure out exactly what their nonsensical plan is. Hold their breath until Corbyn let's them have the
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Aug 20, 2016 20:29
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We're all going away a bit miserable and thus democracy has succeeded once again.
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Aug 20, 2016 20:56
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The Tory Welfare Cut abstention was basically "Electability" personified. gently caress principles, we've got to pretend we hate people on benefits to get elected! Corbyn won't even sneer at them!
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Aug 21, 2016 18:15
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Saving Labour have posted how they expect Owen Smith to win. https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/768458503694454784 The plan? 62% of Registered Supporters and 60% of the Unions vote for Smith, giving him a victory margin of 4000 votes. These are the electoral geniuses who claim they know how the 2020 election is going to go already, so let's see how their predictive powers are for an election only a month away. I don't think they're going to do well. Fans fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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Aug 24, 2016 19:01
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I've only just seen that these figures are all rounded off to the nearest 10%, except for the 2% they needed on Registered Supporters so Owen would win. I don't think that's how statistics work.
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Aug 24, 2016 19:20
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Not really relevant, but anyone making a "The Thick of It" comparison in the press might as well just admit they're phoning it in. .
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If Corbyn pivots to the right only after winning a GE I'd assume he was only doing it to just gently caress with everybody for a laugh because there'd be literally no other reason for him to do so. Clegg swung to the right so he could get his AV referendum and his party is deservedly hosed because of it.
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