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With that, it's time for our jurors to vote. Jurors, remember you are sending me a vote for who you want to win Awful Big Brother 2. Take your time and consider your choice, but try to get me your vote in the next 15-20 minutes.
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Well, it's time. The votes are in. Before I read them I want to once again say it's been an amazing season and I'm so happy you all stuck with it through whatever insanity I threw at you. I sincerely hope that through all the emotions you folks had a great time. Time to reveal the votes and find out who wins Awful Big Brother 2.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:52
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 That's one vote for curiousCat.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:53
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 That's one vote for peramene, one vote for curiousCat. We're tied.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:54
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 That's two votes for curiousCat, one vote for peramene.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:55
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 That's two votes for peramene, two votes for curiousCat. We're tied again.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:57
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4wptBuM6zs That's three votes for curiousCat, two votes for peramene.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:58
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http://www.philome.la/Socrates3000/who-votes-who-bans-who-tells-your-story-20 (I'll give you a minute)
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Sep 16, 2016 02:59
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 That's three votes for curiousCat, three votes for peramene. We're tied again with one vote left.
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Sep 16, 2016 03:01
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By a vote of 4 to 3, the winner of Awful Big Brother 2 and $75 is.... .... .... ..... .... .... .... .... .... ....  curiousCat!!!! 
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Sep 16, 2016 03:03
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h a c h i m a c h i
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Sep 16, 2016 03:03
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And the Curse of Rarity stays.
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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Congratulations Cat! This was a loving awesome thread to read thanks to all of you!!
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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:O
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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Asiina make a reunion room I need a place to chat about poo poo thanks~
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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hachi machi
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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Intense. A good game.
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:h a c h i m a c h i This. One of these days Pera...
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Sep 16, 2016 03:04
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Seriously I was not that confident at all holy loving poo poo helluva game
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Sep 16, 2016 03:05
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Meinbergd again.
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Sep 16, 2016 03:05
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Congrats Cat! Grats to pera as well!
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Sep 16, 2016 03:05
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And by meinberg I mean, the person that I didn't vote for won. Congrats tho it was a well won game!!
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Sep 16, 2016 03:06
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nice job Cat
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Congratulations Cat!!! ---- My jury question was written the night I was evicted. I wrote this this morning: peramene - I changed my mind again! Of course this was all just a stupid game and of course we're still going to be friends  The way I see it, the two things you did to me were: (a) made me lose at ABB2 (b) in a way that intensely hurt for a short period based on how tight we were So, in the spirit of reciprocation, I felt it necessary to try to do the same to you. Eye for an eye.    I'm as sorry for how you must have felt after my jury question as I'm sure you were after you evicted me (which is to say "very much so")  All of my confessionals this game have been about how friendships are more important than winning. I feel like getting eliminated where and how I did was an overall good thing for me, because it gave me a perspective that I don't think I had ever had before. It's really easy to say "it's all just a stupid game" when I've had the reasonably good fortune to be successful; it's another thing entirely to say that after experiencing something like getting turned on at F3 by your F2 partner.Sure, getting betrayed hurt. It hurt a lot, actually. I spent most of Tuesday night / Wednesday afternoon in tears over it. Most of my jury question was written yesterday when I was working through that. There was a small period of time where I genuinely didn't want anything to do with you. I couldn't help but get angry at just how stupid I must have looked with all my talk about how good it feels to play a game based on loyalty only to get backstabbed at the end because I trusted someone who owns the fact that she's a liar. By the time we got to F3, I really had trouble seeing the line between our friendship and our in-game deal, and so when you voted me out, I think my brain parsed that as "the friendship wasn't real". Thankfully, as I've said in the past - it doesn't make sense to make decisions when you're angry. Did you voting me out mean that all that other stuff you said wasn't valid? Of course not. The secret to being a good liar is to throw in enough blocks of truth that the lie goes undetected - you know that, and I know that. I feel reasonably confident that our interactions that weren't related to the game were genuine, and cutting someone out of my life that I like simply because of one thing they did isn't how I roll. I preach a lot about empathy, and one of the things that comes along with it is the ability to forgive people. Obviously the in-game experience was a test of trust between us, and it turned out I couldn't trust you in the game. But now the game is over. What we have now is another test of trust that, to me, has more impact - was our friendship worth more to me than a game? The basic rule I try to follow is "make decisions that will make you happy". Blindly refusing to talk to you ever again wouldn't make me happy. Getting in my own head about how I can't believe anything you've told me isn't going to make me happy. Sitting down later after confessionals are read, laughing about the game, and trying to understand what the other one was going through throughout all of this? That's more what I'm about.  I hope you can understand why I did that. Hit me up later tonight! ... I made a ton of friends in this game (shoutouts to Cat, Hurt, and Quid, all of whom I feel I know way better now), and even though I think I have a majority of players on Facebook already, people can feel free to figure out who I am - it's not that hard - and add me there. I've really loved the "hanging around on Discord and chatting" aspect of this game and I hope it doesn't end just because it's over. Thanks to everyone (especially Asiina) for a really fun six weeks! Now if you'll all excuse me I have some confessionals to read 
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Hey all, I made a big brother post mortem channel in the mafia discord server for all of us to chat about the game and stuff, houseguest and viewer alike! (and asiina I guess...) If you need a link to the mafia server here you go! https://discord.gg/KTvKfvv
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bOy3RNyWME
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Sep 16, 2016 03:07
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The opposite of what we all thought in the viewer thread.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISXnKbD8Ns 1. Everything I said in jury arguments were lies. You'll find the truth in the confessionals. 2. Please read them. 3. Especially you, MMT. I'm sorry for lying to you today and hurting you to try to win Cena's vote. It didn't work, so, you win. As mentioned in those confessionals:  I'm never playing a FRG on these forums again, nor anywhere else for that matter. The details are in the confessionals. I'm not going to poo poo on Cat's victory more than that. She did a great job and played exactly the way I would have.fake edit: oh my god gently caress winning gg shelly jesus christ you had me.
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Max posted:The opposite of what we all thought in the viewer thread. idk, 4-3 for cat was pretty common prediction
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peramene posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISXnKbD8Ns Wow I might have to rescind my vote and feelings if you've been lying THIS ENTIRE loving GAME.
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In other news I have been loving ANNOYED that I have spent so many hours not having decent chat in my life because people were in and out of the vista like meh and I would CONSTANTLY see people that I ACTUALLY want to kill time with online talking about COOL poo poo where I'm like gently caress I can chime in on that NO WAIT I CAN'T BECAUSE CHANNEL PERMISSIONS and seriously what the gently caress get on the discord and talk and poo poo. This is a stupid post and I don't care.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:idk, 4-3 for cat was pretty common prediction or rather, what i should say is, it seemed like people thought it was pretty up in the air, with 4-3s being predicted in both directions
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peramene posted:fake edit: oh my god gently caress winning gg shelly jesus christ you had me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrn9wPICwGk lyrics
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Here are links to the various chat rooms and the confessionals, since I'm sure you're all very interested to read them. I'll provide the discord links first and after which I've archived all the rooms into word docs, since it's hard to egosearch discord. These servers have all been given over to a dummy mod so they should stay up forever. I'll also put this list in the OP. Confessionals Voting Record Discord Links Viewer's Vista: https://discord.gg/N2nkAgJ Awful Big Brother House: https://discord.gg/758kt8X Jury House: https://discord.gg/SnZdTHH HOH Room Week 1: https://discord.gg/cvZkf8W HOH Room Week 2: https://discord.gg/KwzXwzW HOH Room Week 3: https://discord.gg/TJWUndT HOH Room Week 4: https://discord.gg/jK5ZZ9U HOH Room Week 5: https://discord.gg/GJWbeuJ HOH Room Week 6: https://discord.gg/XtZRg5C HOH Room Week 7: https://discord.gg/Ja2ZGEH HOH Room Week 8: https://discord.gg/pZz5WwQ HOH Room Week 9: https://discord.gg/NfSjX95 HOH Room Week 10: https://discord.gg/4kbWrth HOH Room Week 11: https://discord.gg/xPwRqbw Doc Archives Note, some of these are very large (300+ pages). I've tried to divide the bigger ones up, but slower computers may crash. Viewer's Vista Part 1 Part 2 Awful Big Brother House Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Jury House Part 1 Part 2 HOH Room Week 1 HOH Room Week 2 HOH Room Week 3 HOH Room Week 4 HOH Room Week 5 HOH Room Week 6 HOH Room Week 7 HOH Room Week 8 HOH Room Week 9 HOH Room Week 10 HOH Room Week 11
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So first of all I want to say that I am incredibly thrilled by how this season went. I feel like nobody was really mean, but most people were emotionally committed, which is always a wonderful thing to see as a mod. One of my favourite moments was seeing Quid's unbridled joy at winning the Juby Chirp veto just because it made me feel good to see someone really into the outcome of the game. There were some things that worked and some things that didn't go exactly as planned that I want to touch on, but first I want to talk about my general philosophy about running a game because it's come up in bits and pieces I've talked about this a lot about mafia games, but I take the same approach here in that I hate when you're in a game and you feel the mod. In mafia this is when you can guess the types of roles or information that people would get based on who the mod is. A mod should set up a game, start the game, and then try as best they can to get out of the way and let the people play. This is also why I tend to actually dislike IRL Big Brother, and especially the later seasons. You can really feel the hand of the producers in the twists and in the types of challenges that appear in the game each week that cater to the exact person who needs it. This game had extremely few twists. There were two Pandora's boxes and neither held extraordinarily strong powers. The first, which Cena got, allowed him to secretly pick all players in a veto challenge one time, but the result was that he was unable to compete for HOH for two weeks in a row, rather than one, which (by design) he was able to mask with the auction veto challenge. The second box, which was peramene's, was the ability to force the HOH curse on another player for a week, but after that the curse was broken forever. Both were used strategically and did change part of the game, but neither I felt were something that would subvert the will of the house. I don't like diamond vetoes, immunity idols, or any sort of evicted houseguest returning, because I feel like they are a big "screw you" to the players. They are secretly changing the rules and taking agency away from the players, and I'm not down with that. I made this decision pre-game. All challenges and twists were decided before the game even began, and I was happy with my decision. But I saw a lot of people talking about a double eviction night that was never going to come, and Hurt and Quid searching for days for a secret veto that didn't exist, and that was hard to watch because I don't want people to waste their time, but didn't feel right telling them at the time that it wasn't there. So as a mod, that was rough to see, but also I stand by my decision cause it's a philosophy I hold through everything I run. One thing I did put in that was unusual was the HOH twist. This was because I knew I'd be doing the game in discord and so people would be able to watch, but I remembered from when I played ABB the HOH room was never, ever used for strategy. The same three people kept winning HOH so we just kept the room the same every week even though we weren't all aligned together. There wasn't really anything for the viewers to see there if they could see those chats. I felt it was a missed opportunity and wanted to make sure that the room was used for strategy. I really thought about ways to make that happen, and ultimately after a long brainstorming session with Poque, decided that the HOH curse was a good idea to force people to use the HOH room to strategize. It also added a little downside to the HOH when usually there is nothing, which I felt added some complexity. The idea being that you'd have to trust the people in your room with you to pass on real information and give back that information. I wasn't privy to all private conversations so I don't know if any of the messengers abused this power to misrepresent things, but that was the original idea. I know people complained about it, but people complain about everything (myself included) so I'm not entirely sure if it was as hated as it seemed, or just a minor inconvenience. The fact that as soon as the curse was broken, the room basically stopped being used as a place for strategy does lead me to believe it was the right choice. These FRGs are for the players, but they are also for the viewers, and giving them first hand look and player strategy is something that usually only mods get. I know whenever I've modded one of these games I am much more invested in the strategy and the outcome than when I'm simply a viewer, so I wanted to pass that on as much as possible. I feel like if more people use discord again and learn how roles work and chat permissions, then we could have viewers in all of the alliance rooms that the players are in, but that felt like too much of a burden for the first time we are using a new platform. It may work in the future though. I really liked discord as a chat function. The only thing it lacks is any sort of logging functionality, which can be a pain when you are trying to egosearch for your name post-game in various rooms and the vista (which of course everyone does). I've done my best to do logging by hand, but it is rather tedious. That said, I still think discord is a much better platform for both the players and the viewers than google docs was, even though we'd used it for so long. The last thing I want to talk about is the challenges. I feel like the challenges went quite well with a few exceptions that were entirely my fault. Most stuck to the timeframe that I envisioned for them. I tried to evenly split between Forum, Game, and Puzzle challenges, although I'd be interested to hear how that was perceived by the players. There were 8 of each (9 if you include the best of final challenge) but they weren't evenly distributed and there was no partcular pattern that could be determined. I tried not to put challenges of the same type back to back too often or to make a repeating pattern, but otherwise what was an HOH challenge and what was a Veto challenge were usually entirely random unless I was concerned about numbers. It felt to me like there were more forum challenges later, but when I checked most the mean and median were exactly in the middle of the season, so they were evenly distributed. The issue is in viewability, I think. Flash and Puzzle challenges are interesting to the players doing them, but aren't particularly exciting to watch. Usually people go away for a period of time and then someone comes back the winner. Ones with a specific time frame are a little more interesting because I could milk the reveal to find the winner. Forum games are much more visually entertaining since everything is done in full view of the viewers and the other players. You can tell your place quite easily and know where you stand. My issue is that I'm not great with coming up with original forum competitions. Some I made myself, but many were stolen from Cena via ABB1 or AS. Having individual competitions that are new but still work I find difficult to do. I also worried near around Final 6 that there were too many forum competitions that relied around game or thread knowledge, but the fact of the matter is that those are important skills to have to win. Still, I wish I could have thought of a little more variety in order to make sure that the same type of skillset wasn't being tapped into each week. So if I were to do this again, I would spend more time trying to come up with forum challenges that use a variety of skills. I do know that the challenges were on the whole more difficult than they were in previous games. I've come to understand just recently that I'm a lot like Probst in that I have a type of player I like, and as a challenge beast myself, I like difficult challenges and when people do well in them. I know that this puts the emphasis on challenges a little more than in other FRGs, but I don't necessarily think that's a flaw, just a quirk of whoever is designing the game. I think doing this again I would try to make challenges a little easier to be more inclusive, but I still felt like I had a good variety. I tried to also balance the type of skills needed. For people who really hate a particular thing (like math) it may seem like there were a lot of those, but I was really conscious of trying to make sure one type of challenge beast couldn't just roll over the whole competition. I have some thoughts about the strategies people used and alliances that were made, but honestly even as a mod who had probably the most access of all the viewers, I know that I don't see everything so can't comment on it all. I will say personally and not as a mod that seeing the end of ABB1 basically repeat itself verbatim was a very strange experience for me. I really felt for both MMT and pera because I had gone through that, but now got to see it from both sides. I do think pera made the exact same mistake that Rarity did, but I can also understand it better and it helped me understand what happened to me better too. This has really been an amazing modding experience for me. I was exhausted at the end of Genius because of the sheer amount of work and just wanted it to be over. I'm tired here too because again it was a lot of work, but also just feeling very satisfied in doing this will all of you because I felt like I really got to hang out with some people I haven't talked to in a while, work things out with some that had fallen apart, and meet and really come to like some new people I hadn't ever really spoken to before, so this was a real win for me as well. Thanks so much to all the players and to the viewers. It was awesome.
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Asiina you ran a kickass thread and an awesome season. How fitting for a person who entered the (well, mafia) community through ABB to come back and run this awesome-to-watch thread. Unpredictable all the way to the end. Congratulations to you too!
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