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There are definitely some considerable men's rights issues that still need to be addressed but it seems so far none of these various factions are capable of doing so. The MRA crowd has poisoned their own well so no answer will com from their direction and the feminist are too busy with their selfish navel gazing to realize that they aren't the only ones suffering from social problems and gender issues. Divorce laws, military service, men's shelters and social programs and female-on-male violence all need to be addressed if we are to reach a truly equal society.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:32
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Basically the reason why women have often been subordinate to men throughout history is because due to sexual dimorphism, men are bigger and stronger and can typically beat them in a fight. Men subjugated women just because they were able to. That's it. It's not complicated. In many species, the females are bigger and stronger. In some, there isn't much difference. Nowadays, in a civilized society, beating people up, selling them as property and\or raping them is highly frowned upon so physical differences in brute strength start to matter less.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:33
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Gammatron 64 posted:Nowadays, in a civilized society, beating people up, selling them as property and\or raping them is highly frowned upon so physical differences in brute strength start to matter less. yeah right, tell that to someone about to step inside the octagon bruh
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Aug 12, 2016 14:36
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Gammatron 64 posted:Nowadays, in a civilized society, beating people up, selling them as property and\or raping them is highly frowned upon so physical differences in brute strength start to matter less. What's your definition of a "civilized society"? There tons of fairly advanced and cultured countries in the world where this isn't necessarily the case.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:36
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GBS requires at least one thread per day to "ironically" discuss feminism where everyone just types what they actually think "ironically".
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Aug 12, 2016 14:37
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kikkelivelho posted:What's your definition of a "civilized society"? There tons of fairly advanced and cultured countries in the world where this isn't necessarily the case. Saudi Arabia is pretty backwards and lovely even if they have some fancy toys.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:39
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Also slavery isn't a gender issue so I don't see why it was brought up in the first place?
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The Left turning in the working class over fringe social issues is one of the more bizarre political things I've ever seen. Can someone break it down for me?
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Frosted Flake posted:The Left turning in the working class over fringe social issues is one of the more bizarre political things I've ever seen. working class contains white men and they must be destroyed hth
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Aug 12, 2016 14:42
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Gammatron 64 posted:Saudi Arabia is pretty backwards and lovely even if they have some fancy toys. Southern Europe, most of America and Asia, Africa and the Middle-East all regularly partake in the various "frowned upon" acts that you mention, and no one bats an eye. And like I said: These aren't really equality issues so I don't see how they are relevant.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:47
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kikkelivelho posted:There are definitely some considerable men's rights issues that still need to be addressed but it seems so far none of these various factions are capable of doing so. The MRA crowd has poisoned their own well so no answer will com from their direction and the feminist are too busy with their selfish navel gazing to realize that they aren't the only ones suffering from social problems and gender issues. Divorce laws, military service, men's shelters and social programs and female-on-male violence all need to be addressed if we are to reach a truly equal society. Feminism already covers these things, I'm sorry you only know the navel gazers.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:00
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feminism seems really narrow minded to me. like, ok i can agree that gender dynamics are pretty hosed up right now and maybe we need to renegotiate a set of ground rules. but feminists only look at one side of gender dynamics. if they mention how mens roles should change it is only in passing. you can't change the role of women in society without changing the role of men too. ignoring men makes feminist theory incoherent as a way to run a society feminists are also obsessed with personal autonomy, and care almost nothing about the health of society. stuff like marriage reduces a woman sexual autonomy and oppress her free choice. the feminists will not even consider what sort of environment that woman is raising her children in, all they care about is the autonomy of the woman. in feminism women must never be expected to make any sacrifices for their family or society, everyone must embrace selfish hedonism
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Aug 12, 2016 15:15
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Woden posted:Feminism already covers these things, I'm sorry you only know the navel gazers. Feminism by definition only focuses on the issues of the female part of society, an act that in itself is ironically highly unequal.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:15
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kikkelivelho posted:Feminism by definition only focuses on the issues of the female part of society, an act that in itself is ironically highly unequal. No, it really isn't. Only the crazies think that, get better friends and/or stop reading bad websites.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:23
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Woden posted:No, it really isn't. lol year right. this is the feminist solution to male issues created by feminism: 
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Aug 12, 2016 15:29
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See when people say "equality" they really mean "I want revenge because grrrrr" so..
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Are there any aspects of society where women are at a distinct advantage vs. men?Secular Humanist posted:See when people say "equality" they really mean "I want revenge because grrrrr" so.. I try to think sometimes about what it means to be in a position of privilege. Usually I see it explained as 'you know you are privileged when you aren't able to recognise it'. Some of the sex talk people were having earlier seems like a good example - someone said women like to be dominated in the bedroom, but you go onto the right online communities or talk to the right people and you can find plenty of women who are the opposite. A sexually dominant attitude might make them less attractive to some men, but discussing sex is pretty different from having it, I can't imagine a man getting upset that a woman who wanted to have sex with him was being too dominant, unless it involved doing something the man wasn't comfortable with anyway. I feel other stuff like the wage gap is difficult to make sense of, though. I don't know what any female colleagues are paid, they don't know what I'm paid, and the guilt that I might be earning more for the same job is actually a pretty major source of anxiety considering that I'm not managing the payroll (i.e a difference in pay isn't specifically my fault). I also can't think of why a manager would consciously choose to pay women less than male counterparts in the same position - why not pay the man and the woman the same lower wage (70 or so cents to the dollar is the statistic I usually hear) and maximise profits? Despite the definitions which exist, I sometimes wonder if the goal of feminists is to be equal with men, or to bring men down to the level of inequality they experience - using the wage gap example again - would a woman want to be paid more, or see her male counterpart be paid less? Is equality a positive goal if the solution is to make everyone suffer the same poor treatment? Things like this make me feel that gender inequality is actually a class issue combined with generational attitudes, so the inequality might literally die out over time. TheMostFrench fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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TheMostFrench posted:Are there any aspects of society where women are at a distinct advantage vs. men? women can have children without permission from a man, the opposite is not true
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dad gay. so what posted:who gives a poo poo you loving human being
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Woden posted:No, it really isn't. Feminists only oppose forced conscription because they see the military and the state itself as a patriarchal institution that has to be brought down. They don't actually care about the men's right issues involved with the armed forces. There's also the fact that many feminist commentators have recently ousted themselves as closeted racists. The middle-eastern immigrants in Europe, their culture and their home countries have been under a relentless attack from many feminists. It seems many feminists see multiculturalism as simply another enemy on the path to what they consider equality.
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kikkelivelho posted:The middle-eastern immigrants in Europe, their culture and their home countries have been under a relentless attack from many feminists. Lol wait what? Cause I've noticed the exact opposite; western feminism is distinctly and conspicuously silent on the issue of women's rights in middle eastern countries. EDIT: I mean, where do you think this came from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQw3KSYD3ns Secular Humanist fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 15:53
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kikkelivelho posted:Feminism by definition only focuses on the issues of the female part of society, an act that in itself is ironically highly unequal. *makes the jack off motion so fast the air resistance creates a bright corona of flame around my hand which quickly burns it to cinders* *continues making the jack off motion with my carbonized skeleton hand*
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hemophilia posted:This is like all lives matter lol. clsoe thread
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Secular Humanist posted:Lol wait what? Cause I've noticed the exact opposite; western feminism is distinctly and conspicuously silent on the issue of women's rights in middle eastern countries. What you are responding to is what is known as a "troll" he is even finnish i think and that's the troll homeland
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Secular Humanist posted:Lol wait what? Cause I've noticed the exact opposite; western feminism is distinctly and conspicuously silent on the issue of women's rights in middle eastern countries. not being oppressed by white males ?? THEIR CULTURE THEIR CHOICE
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TheMostFrench posted:I feel other stuff like the wage gap is difficult to make sense of, though. I don't know what any female colleagues are paid, they don't know what I'm paid, and the guilt that I might be earning more for the same job is actually a pretty major source of anxiety considering that I'm not managing the payroll (i.e a difference in pay isn't specifically my fault). I also can't think of why a manager would consciously choose to pay women less than male counterparts in the same position - why not pay the man and the woman the same lower wage (70 or so cents to the dollar is the statistic I usually hear) and maximise profits? there is no wage gap. its actually illegal to sexually discriminate against women based on pay. if the women at your work are getting paid less for the same job they can sue your employer. the whole "women make $0.70 on the dollar" comes from women and men making different life choices. it is much easier for a women to have children than a man. this means that a large portion of women are not going to be particularly ambitious, because they can satisfy their life goals in modern society easily. men however need to earn the right to have children, this makes them more ambitious and means more men hold high positions. its not because of discrimination, its because of motivation!
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kikkelivelho posted:Feminists only oppose forced conscription because they see the military and the state itself as a patriarchal institution that has to be brought down. They don't actually care about the men's right issues involved with the armed forces. There's also the fact that many feminist commentators have recently ousted themselves as closeted racists. The middle-eastern immigrants in Europe, their culture and their home countries have been under a relentless attack from many feminists. It seems many feminists see multiculturalism as simply another enemy on the path to what they consider equality. Again, read better sites. The worth reading feminists are for gender equality in the military and their brains don't melt when being for gender equality there but also against war and military excursions in general. Racial equality isn't a major feature of feminism for the same reason geology isn't a major feature of chemistry, there's cross over for sure but specialists of their respective fields should only really be listened to for their expertise in that field and not their thought's on poo poo they don't have expertise in. Like sure my geologist friend knows some chemistry but I'd rather hear from an actual chemist on poo poo related to drugs.
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Secular Humanist posted:Lol wait what? Cause I've noticed the exact opposite; western feminism is distinctly and conspicuously silent on the issue of women's rights in middle eastern countries. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/26/muslim-women-feminism-burqas Many feminists view the burqa as a another tool of oppression rather than a component of muslim religion and culture. Also a bad video made by extremist nutters doesn't proof anything. Just because some crazies believe that feminist and muslims are allied doesn't actually make it so.
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kikkelivelho posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/26/muslim-women-feminism-burqas I like you 
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full communism now imo
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cool and good posted:What you are responding to is what is known as a "troll" he is even finnish i think and that's the troll homeland
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cool and good posted:What you are responding to is what is known as a "troll" he is even finnish i think and that's the troll homeland I'm actually Canadian and have made that clear multiple times. e: "feminism is like geology"
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Rutibex posted:there is no wage gap. its actually illegal to sexually discriminate against women based on pay. if the women at your work are getting paid less for the same job they can sue your employer. I thought that they used total earned wages for their calculations, not the rate at which men and women are making money currently. Of course that will produce a gap. Men do more dangerous, vital, and better-paying work. Most women could do these jobs if they wanted to, but they don't want to. Instead they battle to get into fields like science and education, which both now boast a majority of female employees/students/graduates. I wish that people would understand that true equality amongst the genders is a pipe dream. There will be trade-offs- and our ability to make these trade-offs should be seen as something beautiful- unless we opt to become a unified genderless blob-people. In general most men will excel in some areas that most women will not and vice versa. There are exceptions, of course, but to liken these exceptions to proof that there is some invisible patriarchal hand controlled by a shadow-council of women-haters is just downright disingenuous.
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kikkelivelho posted:e: "feminism is like geology" both hated by right-wingers?
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the only -ism I support and endorse is jism
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Twelve Batmans posted:I thought that they used total earned wages for their calculations, not the rate at which men and women are making money currently. Of course that will produce a gap. Men do more dangerous, vital, and better-paying work. Most women could do these jobs if they wanted to, but they don't want to. Instead they battle to get into fields like science and education, which both now boast a majority of female employees/students/graduates. Yeah whatever poindexter maybe some of us want to be blob-people.
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City of Tampa posted:the only -ism I support and endorse is jism i can get behind that
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Twelve Batmans posted:I thought that they used total earned wages for their calculations, not the rate at which men and women are making money currently. Of course that will produce a gap. Men do more dangerous, vital, and better-paying work. Most women could do these jobs if they wanted to, but they don't want to. Instead they battle to get into fields like science and education, which both now boast a majority of female employees/students/graduates. Yeah, the goal should be equal opportunity, not 50/50 in every job you can think of. Biology kinda fucks over women so we need to decide how we compensate baby making though.
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City of Tampa posted:the only -ism I support and endorse is jism
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