8-Bit Scholar posted:

Zorodius posted:

Do trans people tend to take up gender-typical hobbies from their transition gender?

Specifically, I'm wondering about those hobbies which aren't particularly "fun" because of their association with the gender itself. Like, fishing: it's not a sexy symbol of masculinity, and it's boring as hell to most women, but would FTM men take an interest in it? Do MTF women quilt and watch The View at a rate similar to from-birth females?

Orkin Mang posted:

transgenderism is the very enemy of feminism

DrowningInDreams posted:

Is there a somewhat enemy and a kind of enemy?

DrowningInDreams posted:

Is there a somewhat enemy and a kind of enemy?

Orkin Mang posted:

transgenderism is logically dependent upon the very gender stereotypes that feminists spent generations challenging.

Zorodius posted:

Do trans people tend to take up gender-typical hobbies from their transition gender?

Specifically, I'm wondering about those hobbies which aren't particularly "fun" because of their association with the gender itself. Like, fishing: it's not a sexy symbol of masculinity, and it's boring as hell to most women, but would FTM men take an interest in it? Do MTF women quilt and watch The View at a rate similar to from-birth females?

DrowningInDreams posted:

Not really. Just the language of gender. I'm a trans woman who rides a motorcycle, carries and shoots a handgun, spends all her free time playing video games and arguing on the internet and reading philosophy and literature, and is majoring in a STEM subject. There is literally nothing feminine about me at all, not even in my manner of dress. Now watch the same people who said gender roles don't matter use my lack of gender conformity to say that I'm either not trans or not a woman.

Orkin Mang posted:

ur a man

Orkin Mang posted:

aping the other genders stereotypes doesnt make u neutral. thats aristotle mang

DrowningInDreams posted:

False



I'm just doing my own thing.

Orkin Mang posted:

cool man doesnt make u a woman. you need a uterus and thousands of years of inherited prejudice for that

DrowningInDreams posted:

Trans people have different childhoods. In a way, the concept of a cultural third gender (but not a practical or biological one) would be useful to answer this sort of critique, but regardless, as a trans woman who has had a pretty lovely upbringing I genuinely don't care about the average lived experiences of women at all, which seem generally childish. The existence of a few extraordinary examples is irrelevant as they can be found in either group and prove nothing. Nor is it meaningful to speak of universally shared experiences, only broadly shared experiences, which will always leave some people out and thus give lie to the myth of monolithic homogeneous experiences of a certain gender.

Regardless, if you think the answer to being denied a meaningful identity is to adopt a meaningless one (a thing you can't change, that leaves you trapped forever in a sense of victimhood), you're an idiot and need to read actual philosophy.

DrowningInDreams posted:

Not really. Just the language of gender. I'm a trans woman who rides a motorcycle, carries and shoots a handgun, spends all her free time playing video games and arguing on the internet and reading philosophy and literature, and is majoring in a STEM subject. There is literally nothing feminine about me at all, not even in my manner of dress.

Orkin Mang posted:

transgenderism is logically dependent upon the very gender stereotypes that feminists spent generations challenging.

DrowningInDreams posted:

Well of course that's not the thing that makes me a woman. The thing that makes me a woman is that I'm biologically a woman. The rest is literally irrelevant and illogical victim complex rationalization and groupthink.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

What? Like okay, so you're a man who wants to be a woman, but you don't actually give a poo poo about the lived experiences of women? So what exactly about being a woman do you think you want to be or...that you are? Your identity as what lacks meaning? As a man? But...

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Then you're a man? I mean, to everyone but yourself? Like holy poo poo, is your idea of masculinity completely based on what, motorcycles and handguns? I bet leather jackets too? You're making this guy's point for him.

Orkin Mang posted:

i dont care how u dress or what u do but claiming to be a woman has political consequences. its not just about personal choice. late modern capitalist individualism has overtaken social studies to the point that weve all become our own commodities in this our great vacuum of spontaneous will

DrowningInDreams posted:

This is the end of the Kali Yuga, so such things are to be expected, but you should focus on correcting your own deficiencies and cultivating your own virtue rather than leaping to easy conclusions about others in order to feel better about yourself.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Well if men can become women any time they please, it does sort of create a problem for those advocating for the rights, particularly the equal rights, of women. Gender being equal is easy enough from a legal perspective, but from a sexual and cultural perspective it's incredibly troublesome for a man to literally be able to take the one thing a woman can feel entitled to--her sex--and appropriate it.

Like, if I was a woman who had to deal with growing up as a little girl, then dealing with the trials of entering puberty, the constant pressure from both men and women to maintain certain standards of behavior and etiquette, the physical elements of entering sexual congress and ultimately conception, birth and childbirth--to have a man basically have a surgical operation, and then say he was just as much a woman I was, I'd probably be kind of irritated by it.

Orkin Mang posted:

i couldnt care less how u dress and act. ur just not a woman. u cant even define what that means other than pointing to motorbike riding and some vague nonsense about brains

Ill Peripheral posted:

Question to all you trans ppl in here, did any of you's have sex with Ryan Lochte in Rio???

DrowningInDreams posted:

I could make it literally as specific as you like and you would just dance around it. In fact, here. Dance for me, puppet. I have to go read The Brothers Karamazov.

Stuntman posted:

its refreshing when a poster outs themselves as retarded

DrowningInDreams posted:

There is some brain matter in between my ears. It makes me uncomfortable with my body, and in principle comfortable with a woman's body. This makes me a woman.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Agreed, nice av btw


No it doesn't. By what metric?

Tonetta posted:

These are good questions, I will get to it in a bit. Gonna make taco's

Parallax Scroll posted:

you're finally getting it done? congrats

Parallax Scroll posted:

you're finally getting it done? congrats

Stuntman posted:

tbh im proud that my presence has donated 30 dollars to the forum budget

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I'm glad you've finally got something in your life to be proud of, well done.