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HP-UX defaults to the POSIX shell and doesn't even bundle bash and it made me want to kill myself while janitoring them At least it brought me great satisfaction each time I was able to throw one of those old junk heaps in the dumpster where they belong
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long live ksh93
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error1 posted:HP-UX defaults to the POSIX shell and doesn't even bundle bash and it made me want to kill myself while janitoring them
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error1 posted:HP-UX defaults to the POSIX shell and doesn't even bundle bash and it made me want to kill myself while janitoring them zos unix system services ships bash but starts sh by default instead
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powershell was okay to use in windows while there was no bash on it, and its still okay to use it to configure windows things as you can't do that from the bash one. but other than that it always seemed pretty bad
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it seems crazy to me that microsoft decided they'd just port a whole linux subsystem again, instead of porting tools like grep or sed to powershell like people have been asking for
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Aug 26, 2016 17:13
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why did they remove the unix subsystem in first place
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Celexi posted:why did they remove the unix subsystem in first place
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if bash was bad, why would amazon run 90% of AWS on pure bash scripts and cron jobs huh?
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:if bash was bad, why would amazon run 90% of AWS on pure bash scripts and cron jobs huh?
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Celexi posted:why did they remove the unix subsystem in first place
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i suspect that statement is supposed to be misleading but I'm curious about it too
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Aug 26, 2016 19:07
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was the old subsystem poo poo and not totally baller like the Linux one?
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i never used it but it was created back when microsoft wanted to keep a unix on the desktop option ready just in case the market went that way. it certainly wasn't designed to embrace open sores that didn't fit with ballmer's strategy (partly guided by the antitrust fiasco) of walling off microsoft's products from everything that wasn't microsoft
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Aug 26, 2016 19:28
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i suspect that statement is supposed to be misleading but I'm curious about it too
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anthonypants posted:it seems crazy to me that microsoft decided they'd just port a whole linux subsystem again, instead of porting tools like grep or sed to powershell like people have been asking for Well I mean, Powershell can do the stuff that grep and sed do, and you can define your own aliases in it. EDIT: I guess that's more true for grep than sed... Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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anthonypants posted:it seems crazy to me that microsoft decided they'd just port a whole linux subsystem again, instead of porting tools like grep or sed to powershell like people have been asking for those aren't the good, cool, or interesting parts that were missing that people wanted. the awesome part of linux on windows is sprawling complex linux-only tools that were unlikely to get cleanly ported to windows and definitely would be condemned to horrible binaries if they were released at all. for example, the entire risc-v toolchain. want it on windows? gently caress you. want it on linux? it just works on linux-on-windows. who seriously gives a poo poo about grep or sed? do you really think that those kinds of tools were the motivation for linux on windows?
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Bloody posted:those aren't the good, cool, or interesting parts that were missing that people wanted. the awesome part of linux on windows is sprawling complex linux-only tools that were unlikely to get cleanly ported to windows and definitely would be condemned to horrible binaries if they were released at all. for example, the entire risc-v toolchain. want it on windows? gently caress you. want it on linux? it just works on linux-on-windows. ime a lot of people who dismiss powershell out of hand point to string manipulation tools like grep or sed or awk, which completely misses the point of powershell
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ya linux users are weird and sometimes dumb i dont really get it
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more like poo-ershell, amiright?
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echinopsis posted:more like poo-ershell, amiright?
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pow-pow-power
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 / p-p-p-powershell p-p-powershell maw maw maw maw
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Gazpacho posted:source? wanna read about this there's a distributed job service which teams make use of for backups, workflow scheduling, reconciliation, etc. but bash use is limited to mostly service startup/tear down scripts and ops scripts if for some reason you didn't want to use a better language. im sorry you worked in FC systems gaz.
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Bloody posted:who seriously gives a poo poo about grep or sed? do you really think that those kinds of tools were the motivation for linux on windows? the motivation for original the Windows POSIX subsystem was that government IT purchasing contracts were expected to start coming with a POSIX compatibility requirement, as a form of "software portability guarantee," so they felt they had to have one to stay in the game I've read some grant proposals from that era that do specifically talk about how the software developed by a research team will be developed with POSIX APIs where possible so it's portable per requirement such and such of this or that funding rule or sponsorship agreement (also Richard Stallman came up with the name POSIX, or at least takes credit for it)
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Unix systems (and fanfic like Linux) already had a good shell
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eschaton posted:(also Richard Stallman came up with the name YOSPOS, or at least takes credit for it)
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eschaton posted:the motivation for original the Windows POSIX subsystem was that government IT purchasing contracts were expected to start coming with a POSIX compatibility requirement, as a form of "software portability guarantee," so they felt they had to have one to stay in the game so you are saying the gov POSIX'ed windows neg rear end? got it
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posix is total trash
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Shaggar posted:posix is total trash
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IT devs in a resistance cell: "what has posix ever done for us???"
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