What the fuck happened to the quality of Intel drivers on Linux

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mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

never heard about that one. intradesting.

# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:11

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 19:55

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

2016 year of linux on the mainframe

# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:15

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

carry on then posted:

2016 year of linux on the mainframe

# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:52

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

if you flip it on the side, you can use it as a bed

# ? Aug 24, 2016 05:28

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Lutha Mahtin posted:

by "in the past" do you mean "a decade ago when desktops used software rendering".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Advanced_Rasterization_Platform

# ? Aug 24, 2016 06:27

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i have had some flavor of unix on the desktop since 2000-ish -- freebsd, solaris, linux etc. not coincidentally nearly all of my jobs have been unix shops

my goondolences

# ? Aug 24, 2016 10:10

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

mike12345 posted:

if you flip it on the side, you can use it as a bed

maybe in the winter

# ? Aug 24, 2016 14:09

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

meanwhile, using nvidia optimus via PRIME and modesetting just works. if nvidia can get this poo poo working with upstream kernel drivers, why the hell can't you produce a usable ddx driver, intel

:argh:

# ? Aug 24, 2016 23:26

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

in other news, this bids good times for linux gamers/steamos users out there

optimus on linux just got good enough for actual usage: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957814/linux/prime-and-prime-synchronization/

# ? Aug 24, 2016 23:27

Plank Walker: Aug 11, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i guess thats one way to increase your polycount

# ? Aug 24, 2016 23:31

burning swine: May 26, 2004

linux still bad

my last intel driver on linux experience was trying to get dual monitors working with one monitor hooked up to an nvidia card and the other hooked up to the intel gpu

couldn't make it work any way other than running 2 xorg servers, which was dog poo poo garbage

# ? Aug 25, 2016 02:58

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

I draw the line in the cheeto dust and toss the poopsock before the feet of tyranny, and I say linux now, linux tomorrow, linux forever

# ? Aug 25, 2016 11:16

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

linux still bad

my last intel driver on linux experience was trying to get dual monitors working with one monitor hooked up to an nvidia card and the other hooked up to the intel gpu

gently caress i would never attempt that

# ? Aug 25, 2016 15:27

burning swine: May 26, 2004

as a windows user, it never even occurred to me that doing that might be a problem

# ? Aug 25, 2016 16:32

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

linux still bad

my last intel driver on linux experience was trying to get dual monitors working with one monitor hooked up to an nvidia card and the other hooked up to the intel gpu

couldn't make it work any way other than running 2 xorg servers, which was dog poo poo garbage

I think it's possible to make that work now with xrandr fuckery:

code:

RandR version 1.4 options
       Options for RandR 1.4 are used as a superset of the options for RandR 1.3.

       --listproviders
              Report information about the providers available.

       --setprovideroutputsource provider source
              Set source as the source of display output images for provider.  This is only possible if source and provider have the Source Output and Sink Output capabilities, respec-
              tively.  If source is 0x0, then provider is disconnected from its current output source.

       --setprovideroffloadsink provider sink
              Set provider as a render offload device for sink.  This is only possible if provider and sink have the Source Offload and Sink  Offload  capabilities,  respectively.   If
              sink is 0x0, then provider is disconnected from its current render offload sink.

# ? Aug 25, 2016 20:28

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

If you're using nvidias blob driver, you'll have to use the modesetting x11 ddx on the intel device with accelmethod none... that nvidia link I pasted earlier has an example xorg.conf that works. if you don't do that, you'll have two different glx drivers (intel mesa and nvidia-drivers) which both tries to give you opengl capabilities

year of linux on the desktop

# ? Aug 25, 2016 20:35

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

linux still bad

my last intel driver on linux experience was trying to get dual monitors working with one monitor hooked up to an nvidia card and the other hooked up to the intel gpu

couldn't make it work any way other than running 2 xorg servers, which was dog poo poo garbage

this works fine but only if you manually configure Xorg

# ? Aug 25, 2016 21:54

burning swine: May 26, 2004

let me know when things improve to the point that I can just plug them in and they work

# ? Aug 25, 2016 22:14

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

The X Window System

# ? Aug 25, 2016 22:29

Hugh G. Rectum: Mar 1, 2011

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

this works fine but only if you manually configure Xorg

lol what loving year is it?

# ? Aug 25, 2016 22:30

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

lol, 2016 and you still have to gently caress with xorg settings just to get a desktop to show up. give it a few more decades and linux will catch up with windows95

# ? Aug 25, 2016 22:30

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

At work, I use the Linux via ssh from my Windows computer. Works great!

# ? Aug 25, 2016 22:47

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Citizen Tayne posted:

I used Linux on the desktop from 1996 to 2006 or so

I started making plans to start a company to produce desktop Linux workstations with their own distribution in 1999

then I spent some time actually trying to use, manage, and improve desktop Linux and thought better of it

(Linus attitude about how it was totally OK to break binary-only SCSI drivers between kernel 2.0.x releases was the straw that broke the camel's back though)

# ? Aug 26, 2016 06:29

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the only good amiga was the one that ran unix

wrong, it was the one that was entirely unapologetic about being nothing more than a game machine

quote:

lots of pixels for an A3000UX, I've only ever seen one run at 640x480

also lol that they used the black/white/orange/blue garbage colors in X11 too

eschaton fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Aug 26, 2016

# ? Aug 26, 2016 06:31

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

as a windows user, it never even occurred to me that doing that might be a problem

as a Mac user, my system swaps between integrated and discrete GPUs seamlessly based on workload

# ? Aug 26, 2016 06:38

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

eschaton posted:

I started making plans to start a company to produce desktop Linux workstations with their own distribution in 1999

then I spent some time actually trying to use, manage, and improve desktop Linux and thought better of it

(Linus attitude about how it was totally OK to break binary-only SCSI drivers between kernel 2.0.x releases was the straw that broke the camel's back though)

I liked the idea of using a boring desktop and hooking thin terminals up to it for basic office usage, however it turns out X.org has a completely broken back buffer such that neither Firefox or OpenOffice can run without desktops having HDD sized storage for paging. Wayland is the fix for that but the apps would need to stop using the X11 APIs too.

# ? Aug 26, 2016 08:09

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

is wayland a real thing or will it never actually work?

# ? Aug 26, 2016 15:44

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

The Management posted:

is wayland a real thing or will it never actually work?

it's real and it's happening

# ? Aug 26, 2016 16:13

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Remember Berlin? That was a real thing that was going to happen, too.

# ? Aug 26, 2016 16:21

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

it's real and it's happening

but seriously though or like gnu hurd?

# ? Aug 26, 2016 16:42

Celexi: Nov 25, 2006; Slava Ukraini!

its real and works really well, tried it on fedora but since upgrading fedora 23 to 24 have not be cause nvidia doesn't officially support it for now, to have it work with nvidia you have to recompile something and i can't be bothered for now.

# ? Aug 26, 2016 17:00

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

I didn't understand that sentence but I gathered there was some janitoring involved so typical Linux definition of working.

# ? Aug 26, 2016 18:13

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Celexi posted:

tried on fedora

Hmmm

# ? Aug 26, 2016 18:29

burning swine: May 26, 2004

come on wayland

I look forward to being able to lock my workstation when there's a menu open on my screen

# ? Aug 26, 2016 18:44

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

The Management posted:

is wayland a real thing or will it never actually work?

Forget it, Jake. It's Linuxtown.

# ? Aug 26, 2016 22:38

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

come on wayland

I look forward to being able to lock my workstation when there's a menu open on my screen

how is jwz reacting to the people asking for wscreensaver

# ? Aug 26, 2016 23:55

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

The Management posted:

I didn't understand that sentence but I gathered there was some janitoring involved so typical Linux definition of working.

most distributions are only shipping it as an experimental/beta option, yeah. they still ship xorg as the default non-janitor option though. one of the main issues is that software has to be ported to it in order to take advantage of its new features, otherwise it will be running through an X compatibility mode. so like, all the machinery of the big desktop environments (GTK, Qt, all that stuff) has to be ported over

# ? Aug 27, 2016 06:12

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

don't forget the wayland repeats the fundamental mistake of X-Windows in not implementing a single standard widget set that all the APIs just use

# ? Aug 27, 2016 08:24

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

eschaton posted:

don't forget the wayland repeats the fundamental mistake of X-Windows in not implementing a single standard widget set that all the APIs just use

was there ever an argument whether it should have one, or not?

# ? Aug 27, 2016 09:18

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 19:55

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

so it is in theory working but nothing uses it so it may as well not exist. got it.

# ? Aug 27, 2016 15:40

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