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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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A lot of the teasers seem to lean toward a theme of farm and possibly colonial life.

I think a fair theme would be Cemetery. Given that death, or lack thereof, is such a prevalent concept throughout the seasons. I think a cemetery has been featured in every one as well.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Apparently that's how it's listed in print in TV Guide too. It's weird because Spike TV apparently has a show in production that's based on the actual Stephen King "The Mist."

Two new promos too. Baby Face & Tide.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Given all the references to different horror stories in the promos - aliens, chainsaw maniacs, crop children, lake creatures, dolls, insects, a stair climbing scene reminiscent of Nosferatu - maybe the season is centered around an old theater? AHS: Theater could work, no?

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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One last guess: the ?6 is really 66, as in Route 66. The season is Badlands after all.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Well this is definitely an AHS house.

OH COME ON, no titles?!

Didn't win, but hey, I guessed the right teaser.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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This seems like a lot of unnecessary information.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Actually gonna disagree with the majority here and say that it was pretty dull and plodding.

In fairness, I appreciate the fact that it's actually a horror scenario and not just camp on top of camp, like we've gotten the past few seasons. But I really wanted them to get to the point already.

Honestly, if they hadn't hyped it up so much as a big mystery, only to give us a pretty cliche hillbilly scenario, I probably wouldn't feel this way so much. We don't even have a subtitle for this season.

Not that I'm giving up on it, because it's got to go somewhere, but the burn is a little too slow for me thus far.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Tenzarin posted:

Why did they look younger on the office solo person talking about events stuff?

Because they're different people, just like in a true reenactment story. Lily Rabe plays the woman in the talking heads, while Sarah Paulson plays her in the actual events.

So they put up this preview video of what's to come for the season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KUjpSNDlY4

Basically it looks like They're running with this reenactment theme and it looks like they stumble upon the lost colony of Roanoke, which hasn't changed much since it went missing, other than becoming sacrificial and such.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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There's got to be something up beyond the talking heads, no way they could stretch such a thing across 13 episodes, but this is AHS we're talking about. The raining teeth were probably just a creepy image and nothing more, for example.

The problem with a lot of those "A Haunting" shows, is that you could typically edit it down from an hour to five minutes and get all the interesting bits. That's how I felt about this episode. Again, appreciate the fact that it's back to more horror and less camp. However, it's almost the other side of the extreme where, instead of a bunch of glam vampires hanging out with ghosts and mattress monsters, we get a mysterious force trying to drown a lone woman and some creepy hicks using torches and dead pigs as scare tactics. It's gone from utterly ridiculous to disappointingly basic.

I don't mean to complain too much, it's just been one episode of course, but I'm still salty about all the ?6 hype. If there's one thing to hate about this show, it's lack of satisfying payoffs. All those teasers and possible ideas, and so far we end up with American Horror Story (Presents:) A Haunting Fit For Destination America.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Amen. The talking heads constantly telling us what we're seeing are really getting annoying.

I almost wish this season was just them watching this guy's videos. That was definitely the best part so far, because it was chock full of lore and possibility rather than "we heard a noise/saw a spooky thing, cue the cops doing nothing and us staying here anyway."

They're keeping my interest slightly, as this show tends to do, but we're gonna need a lot more of the people that aren't the main three (who I'm afraid are going to end up not much different than the people in The Village.)

Also, no AHS intro is lame, whether it gels with the reenactment theme or not.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Yes and yes. I think the white nun from Asylum is a new one, along with the Countess from Hotel. The costumes are kinda meh in quality, but the masks for Twisty and Pepper are nice. I remember seeing an expensive version of Twisty that had the mouthpiece come off and actually show what's underneath. Nicely done and graphic.

I had a thought today that the twist concerns the hillbillies and that they're actually part of their own TV show, possibly ala Moonshiners or Alaskan Bush People. And we're really supposed to be seeing their point of view: some "rich" yuppies come in and buy out a home that has some significance to them, end up messing with them while accusing them of the same harassment. Of course, whatever evil is hiding in the house or even in the woods comes to get both groups.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Now that's the AHS we're used to. Eccentric psychic out of nowhere. Ghosts aplenty. Freaky, dirty sex.

And it was good. The actual horror elements of AHS usually are. They break up the monotony of fairly unlikable, fairly dopey characters whining. Roanoke is no exception.

Hopefully this is where it kicks into gear, because the first half of this episode was just as monotonous and plentiful with those holes in logic.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Peters hasn't kissed a man up until now in the show, has he? Guess Murphy was like, "Well Evan, it's season six, finally your turn."

All of that was awfully convenient of course, him coming back to help save them at the last moment, after the cop bails (probably cowardice at seeing a huge hillbilly gathering with backup miles away,) the son drags The Butcher into the fire, and Lee manages to blast the car through them. Not to mention Shelby getting all patched up with a cast and crutches, presumably at a hospital, only for them to go straight to a seedy motel (I nearly thought the motel would be the real horror story for a second.)

We still don't know where Lee actually went when Shelby assumed she went after Miles, do we?

Rockin Orthodontist posted:

What if it's all a fake? :aaaaa:

Interracial couple buys a ramshackle old house in the woods, gets harassed by local racist hillbillies. The wife hates it. She's a city girl and has misgivings even before the hillbillies start their poo poo.

A salesman, an unemployed yoga instructor, a disgraced former cop/druggie and her kid arrive in LA basically penniless. Their only asset is the nearly worthless house in the woods. $40k doesn't buy a good house even in rural areas, so its not a good house. If they try to sell to locals they'll be lucky to get back half what they paid, and if they don't sell they are on the hook for property taxes every year. But a famous haunted house, that would be worth something to the right buyer.

Pitch the story to a ghost hunting show and they'll pay thousands just to use the site for their dumb show, and then the fame may be enough to get some idiot to buy the house.

That'd be pretty interesting, although you'd have to wonder what the endgame is. Assuming the history of the house is legit, but all the other details are false (such as the cops finding the feral boys,) something else would have to be haunting it.

Maybe they actually made the deal to get Flora back and offered Miles as a sacrifice instead to satisfy them, making up the rest to sell to the show and try and cover their tracks (Lee, as a cop, would probably know how to skirt an interrogation, even if she had something to hide.)

OmegaBR fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Oct 13, 2016

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Coven is arguably the worst season, but it's pretty obvious why Murphy wants to revisit it so much.

As for this big twist, maybe the reenactment isn't one at all, but what actually happened, save for the happy ending. The family was actually killed/incorporated into the colony. The camera crew seen in the preview were the first visitors, looking to investigate the house for a haunting show. They get kidnapped and forced to produce "My Roanoke Nightmare," with people that look like the family, in order to generate interest about the house. The reboot could be following the people who come to the house as a result of the fake TV show, being lured in by the colony.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Oh whatever, Murphy.

That's what I said out loud at least six times during this. Doing better than Sunday Night Football and The Walking Dead? Speaking of bravado, where's those witches that revealed themselves to the world only for nobody to care? Wanting to go back to a literal murder house to be close to your ex who won't talk to you? The camp is back and stronger than ever.

Though I have to admit, in a way, he's covered all the bases for all the stupid behavior. The actors think production is messing with them, and some of it probably will be. Production will watch it all go down and think they're responsible for it due to lack of communication. They have a crazy peer who conveniently lives nearby and is ready to slaughter them all regardless of any ghosts. And there are actual ghosts, so they can do whatever they want.

The twist though, what was it supposed to be? That they all died? That it was really real? That's so obvious it can't even be considered a guess, it's a given.

I'm getting very strong Coven vibes off this whole thing. Possibly from being burned so many times before. Possibly from the tone going from the most serious it's been in years to extremely goofy once again.

But it's really not a bad angle to go with and, as campy as the actors are, they aren't offensively bad. Red-haired pussy grabber Peters, I mean, in a lot of ways, that's AHS in a character.

OmegaBR fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Oct 20, 2016

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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fullroundaction posted:

So I guess we're supposed to speculate who the survivor is. My initial, obvious thought is Bates, but she's not really part of the production per se, and it'd be too obvious. I'm hoping it's a setup for something actually clever since we know episode 10 reboots the season (or whatever).

My actual guess I suppose is Rabe's husband (can't remember his name) since he's currently the only innocent / person without a glaring character flaw.

If it's as obvious as this so-called twist, then it'll probably be the actual Shelby. Possibly Lee, who will continue to be labeled a murderer.

If episode 10 has a "twist" as well, I really, really hope it's not Ryan Murphy and crew watching this story and planning a season of American Horror Story around it.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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The thought crossed my mind that they could pull a Joe Schmo and that everyone in is on the ruse except a single person. Based on the injuries and deaths, that would suggest the actor for Matt, the so called "bad guy." Then again, you could also do British Shelby and even newly alcoholic Lee. Maybe that's the twist, everyone is trying to terrify the actors of the original trio.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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I think if the real participants were lying about anything, it was probably how they got away the first time. That whole thing seemed really hammed up to me, the way the girl saved them and the son tossed the Butcher on the fire and the cop just ran away leaving Lee to drive in at the right moment.

Maybe they agreed to sacrifice Mason instead of Flora in exchange for leaving, and concocted a lot of the ending in order to try and explain away what really happened.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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The logic behind the Mott ghost helping them was that Mott was a very private person and didn't want to be stuck with even more ghosts sharing his property. Assuming they fabricated his character completely, it's possible they read up on the history of the house and chose him as a sympathetic figure. Heck, maybe the producers were the ones who pushed for that angle and helped them fabricate it so they could have a further theatrical flair.

It kind of brings up the question as to how the original participants got involved with the show in the first place. Did the crew somehow find out about the police reports and track them down? Or, perhaps more likely, they sought out the show's producers in order to get paid and help offset the fact that they abandoned the house they had sunk their live savings into. It makes you wonder why they'd be so candid about the fact that Mason was missing/killed, but again, maybe this was their way of trying to explain it away. The ghosts ARE real after all.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Well, Audrey DID produce a gun and point it at them. It's not like she ran out of the cellar toward them screaming for help and got riddled.

That whole ending was a little too convenient for my taste. Turning Lee into a Butcher is something I definitely didn't see coming and kudos on them for that. But then leaving her to snap out of it and be the sole survivor was kinda goofy. Like many things in AHS, should have just done the thing and ran with it.

Speaking of, the fatal flaw of AHS rears its ugly head again: unlikable characters. Two of which are coming face to face, so that'll be somewhat interesting I guess. But it also strikes me how they just sort of ignore the world they've built. If this all happens in the same universe, which it either does or has a slightly different RIck & Morty ideal behind it, then witches are real, ghosts are real, the whole country should be seeing all that with this footage (considering MRN was supposed to be more popular than football,) and we're about to get a big time interview that's got to reference all that.

Also, they were pretty blatantly referencing the Blair Witch, especially if you've seen this year's film. Somehow I think AHS did the running through the woods camera work better though.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Facebook Aunt posted:

Flora isn't capable of murdering a man and propping him up like that, though I suppose the ghosts could have made her participate. In which case Lee's message was telling Flora to stick to this story.

Or it could have been her ghost friend Priscilla convincing the others to do it, because Mason was going to take her away from her mom forever. Though I can't remember if that fits with the timeline and if they had her back at that point.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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I think it's a fair point, albeit caring about them deeply isn't the point of their inclusion. Still, if it was, say, fake Shelby and fake Lee (still don't know their names, shows you how much I care about them I guess,) who got burned at the stake, there might have been a bit more of a reaction.

The brutality of the colonists needs a certain crescendo in episode 10, I believe. Obviously we need to find out what really happened in Roanoke, what happened to Mason, and preferably without a lot of loose details like AHS tends to do.

Part of me still expects an homage with the Millers and the fake Millers and the Chens and the colonists and the nurses and the slaves and gay Mott all gathered around the fire in the house, decorating a Christmas tree, in a touching family moment to end the season.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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That part was way too convenient. It's not that hard to believe that the show's production would be isolated, but this guy, dressed as Pigman, was given strict instructions to show up on the doorstep, in broad daylight, with no communication from the crew? Come on now.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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That's one thing that kinda bugged me, they go to the trouble to introduce these various house residents/ghosts, like the nurses and the Chens, even burned up Mason himself, and yet they never really explored any of them or put them on screen longer than a quick scare. The screeching beast in the tunnel they thought might be Mott was never brought up again. Not to mention you'd think the cast themselves would have shown up as ghosts. I thought for sure they would end with that, even if they happened to be the colonists bringing torches to the burning house.

Speaking of, how DID they blow up the house at the end? Why is it that the ghosts get to extend beyond the house and through the land when other seasons had them confined to their structure? Why AREN'T people more concerned about all this footage of actual supernatural phenomenon?

There are certain choices they make that cause our perception of the show to be lesser than it could be. My Roanoke Nightmare becoming a sleeper hit and having a rabid fanbase? Sure. Telling us it got higher ratings than The Walking Dead and the freaking NFL? Come on. Then you tell us they aired Back to Roanoke despite the fact that it's basically a bunch of legitimate murders caught on tape, as well as the Spirit Chasers that is essentially the same thing. I guess the idea is that the audience isn't supposed to know what's real, since Sidney was fabricating things (even though they all got MURDERED and everyone made it clear that it was real in the footage.) It ranks up there with witches coming out on CNN. It just comes off as goofy and illogical and poorly thought out.

And ultimately that's what made this a good season, top three overall in my book, but not a really great season. If they had held back on putting into those typical AHS flashes of camp and silliness and celebrity, we could have been left with a season that really tried hard to bring back the unsettling nature of our history and folklore. I mean, look at the reactions to the footage of the teens getting burned at the stake. Arguably torture porn, yet it elicited a reaction that was more visceral than, say, Lady Gaga and her boy toy humping somebody while sucking their blood.

Also, bringing back Lana was pretty pointless, and I thought for sure Polk was going to kill her. But then we couldn't bring her back randomly for AHS: Scottsdale I guess.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Like I said, it's those little things they actively choose to mention that make everything screwy, when they could just as easily say something else and make it make sense. Have Flora mention that Priscilla had the colony depose of Mason's body so her mom wouldn't get in trouble. Have the Polks come across Mason, who wasn't quite dead, and offer him to the colonists. Have a quick shot of Lee or Priscilla turning on the stove so the explosion makes sense. Have it be one of those old traps the crew set up that never got shown again.

And then there's the big things that they do just to do them and don't think it through. And the sad part is, a lot of them are good ideas, but they don't tie them together in a meaningful way. Case in point, the heart ritual. Having Lee become the new Butcher is something I didn't see coming and actually would have made the story all the more tragic/creepy. But then she goes and shrugs it off and wakes up in the yard completely unscathed.

Hindsight is 20/20 and these are all details they may very well could have thought about and were unable to do. But I think what really happens is Murphy has some ideas that he absolutely must make happen, and the story has to bend to that. I'm sure he had The Lana Winters Special planned from the start, and he needed somebody to get interviewed. And I'm sure it was always really all about Flora for the ending, despite her being so unimportant as a character.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Joking aside, a season centered in Washington, even around the White House, isn't the worst idea. There are various ghost stories and supernatural occurrences you could work with.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Small Texas town that relies on a military/government facility that secretly houses aliens and genetic experiments based on the technology and anatomy of the aliens

...that is also haunted.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BWYeEHTA-0u/

He's back.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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My theory is one of two things:

The election of a certain someone has immediate ripple effect that causes huge uprisings both with rampant nationalism and widespread anarchy, . Basically everything people were predicting was going to happen in the most sensational and exaggerated manner, that hasn't quite come to fruition. Stuff like military police, drones watching your every move, massive relocations and camps, trigger happy weapons of mass destruction, etc. Almost as if society starts devolving back to something akin to Colombia from Bioshock Infinite, or even heads toward the ultra-totalitarian society of The Purge. Patriotism at its finest/worse.

OR..... said election was something so unbelievable, unexpected, and ultimately not meant to ever happen, that it causes an supernatural disturbance in our world. Such an anomaly opens the door for spirits, demons, beings from other dimensions, whatever. In fact, perhaps it's the actual cause of so many of the other seasons having obvious yet not totally logical ties. The anachronistic songs from Freak Show, Queenie showing up in Hotel in a world where witches are apparently known to the world via some CNN exclusive, even the new tease of a Twisty the Clown comic book.

To that end, I'm predicting either American Horror Story: Nuclear or American Horror Story: Doomsday

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Chaz Bono played Lot in the Roanoke reenactment and wasn't really seen again, save for the actor officiating the marriage between Rory and Audrey. I barely remembered he was part of the cast.

Still though, the fact that this was announced doesn't bode well in my mind.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Season 7 is officially American Horror Story: Cult

https://www.ahs7.com/week-one

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