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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Welcome to the UK Marxism Thread, where we discuss dialectical materialism and dielectric materials. And Oberleutnant writes us a reading list. And hope dies.
(Also UK Mega Thread; UK Manga Thread; Us, Korbyn's Many Trots)

September: scandal, sedition, subterfuge, sensation.


That has been the theme of the past month as we approach the annual Labour Conference (assuming they can find someone to provide security) and the results of the leadership election will probably lead to another round of petit coups and flouncing.



In The News :sax:
• Theresa May and Liz Truss want to go full tilt on scrapping the Human Rights Act and replacing it with a British Bill of Rights, which will be a binding constitutional document lol no really.
• Southern Rail workers go on a five day strike. Jeremy Corbyn arranges a sit in on a Virgin train.
• All BHS stores close following corrupt and deliberate mismanagement.
• Following a 'mass stabbing' in London and an alleged increase in gang-related cosplay, the must-do-something brigade banned 'zombie knives', knives that are super deadly because they have violent words and colours.

• The Night Tube opens, providing underground services from the Night Garden to Casino Night Zone.
• Following the Isle of Man, Scotland has come under fresh pressure to expand civil partnerships, in opposition to the current report that they should be scrapped. Northern Ireland to redefine marriage as shouting Bible verses at a fleg.
• Lord Rix did a public 180 on his views on the Right to Die following his becoming terminally ill, rumored to have taken the way out that he would have had others committed for.
• The Airlander 10 hybrid airship replicates the British economic activity index on its maiden flight in Befordshire.

• Team GB did an Olympics, it was good.
• Team GB did an Paralympics, they got their disability scooters scrapped, gently caress everything (esp. Tories).
• Junior doctors have planned the first ever five day strike in the history of the NHS.
• Several towns in France ban the 'burkini', causing wide reaching controversy.


Special Piss Po' Roundup
During the month of August, Local Authorities used PSPOs for the following noble goals:
• Teignbridge council has banned acting "in a manner as to cause annoyance...to any person."
• Sandwell council made it illegal for "a group of three or more persons" to act "in a manner which causes or is likely to cause nuisance, annoyance, harassment, alarm or distress."
• Wrexham County Borough Council criminalised "sleeping within Wrexham Bus Station in King's Street, and any public toilet facilities within the Town Centre during the hours of darkness."
I can't wait for these to be used for any other purpose than harassing minorities, yoof, and homeless people.

Wake Me Up When September Ends

Longview
UKMT August 2016
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UKRIP June 2016 Brextravaganza!
UKMT May 2016
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Basket Case
Brexit Financial Crisis Thread

Strangeland
Scotpol Thread

Minority
EDL/Fash Thread

Pulling Teeth
Europol Thread

One of My Lies
Paedogeddon/Press Corruption Thread

Tired of Waiting for You
Trainchat Thread

Warning
Political Cartoons Thread

Words I Might Have Ate
#ukgoons on synIRC. It's mostly active during Question Time, but there's always some people around (thanks crispix).

Finally, keep the following in mind

quote:

1. It's not a person's fault if they are poor;
2. It's not their fault if they are disabled;
3. Neo-liberalism doesn't work;
4. The Daily Mail lies (maybe even about Pig Dave and charity);
5. Neo-liberalism has never worked;
6. The British Empire was not a force for good;
7. Neo-liberalism will never work;
8. Trans people are not "men in dresses";
9. Gendered insults are not okay;
10. If something is "so gay" it had better be something that is really happy;
11. Trains are awesome;
12. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles;
13. Hope is a lie.

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Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
Has Jeremy Corbyn won yet? Why is this process so goddamn long?

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Ah, that new "thread hasn't been decimated by Pissflaps" smell, how invigorating

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Wake me up when September ends.

Actually do it when this loving leadership contest is over.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Tesseraction posted:

Actually do it when this loving leadership contest is over.

So just in time for the next leadership contest

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Tesseraction posted:

Wake me up when September ends.

Actually do it when this loving leadership contest is over.

You never want to be woken up then?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

You never want to be woken up then?

This sounds like a death threat I've reported you to Labour HQ.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/01/may-day-photos-jeremy-corbyn-tells-thousands-of-communists-far-right-are-the-problem/

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Sep 1, 2016

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

Tesseraction posted:

Wake me up when September ends.

Actually do it when this loving leadership contest is over.

Only good Greenday is allowed to be referenced under pain of gulag, that's nothing post Dookie because I'm being generous, it should really be nothing post Kerplunk.

Edit:

LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/01/may-day-photos-jeremy-corbyn-tells-thousands-of-communists-far-right-are-the-problem/

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.


Shock as right wing wanker quotes right wing nonsense news site and is told to gently caress off.

Seriously gently caress off your colossal piece of poo poo.

StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 1, 2016

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/01/may-day-photos-jeremy-corbyn-tells-thousands-of-communists-far-right-are-the-problem/

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.



Linking loving Breitbart get the gently caress out of this thread ya fascist little oval office.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/01/may-day-photos-jeremy-corbyn-tells-thousands-of-communists-far-right-are-the-problem/

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.

Hurrah, it's the one shitposter worse than Pissflaps. And of course he links to Breitbart. What a guy.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/770991682145939456

e: and, since poll posts are not complete without some notional GE polling:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/770989832558485504

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

Burn this country to the loving ground.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.


I'd kulak you irl

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

What the actual gently caress.

The racists really did come out the woodwork for the brexit vote.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

StoneOfShame posted:

Only good Greenday is allowed to be referenced under pain of gulag, that's nothing post Dookie because I'm being generous, it should really be nothing post Kerplunk.

Oh come on, GR(TOYL) and Minority weren't that bad.

I agree that American Idiot was the harbinger of punk dying for most of a decade.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Tesseraction posted:

I agree that American Idiot was the harbinger of punk dying for most of a decade.

Pop punk maybe

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

spectralent posted:

What the actual gently caress.

The racists really did come out the woodwork for the brexit vote.

Yeah I have zero recollection of the post-2001 mood of the UK either.

This really isn't new RE: Muslims. They've been poo poo on repeatedly since 9/11, not since the referendum. This new case is just a response to France's lovely response to a terrorist attack.

I mean blame the Brexit referendum if you want but lol try being a tanned person after 9/11 and claim racism was over until Brexit. I look Arab even to Arabs so I experience pleeeenty of this poo poo and ~surprise~ it's not related to any particular event just media coverage.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Isnt it inherenrly disgusting to advocate a party that wont even acknowledge anti semitism when its right in the open? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_love_affair_between_the_british_labour_party_and_adolf_hitler.html

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Pop punk maybe

Are you kidding mate this was the time that New Found Glory and Fall Out Boy were redefining that genre towards a fuckton of make-up and a lot less politics.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah I have zero recollection of the post-2001 mood of the UK either.

This really isn't new RE: Muslims. They've been poo poo on repeatedly since 9/11, not since the referendum. This new case is just a response to France's lovely response to a terrorist attack.

I mean blame the Brexit referendum if you want but lol try being a tanned person after 9/11 and claim racism was over until Brexit. I look Arab even to Arabs so I experience pleeeenty of this poo poo and ~surprise~ it's not related to any particular event just media coverage.

I'm aware there's been islamophobia for a long time, but I didn't think I'd get half the country gleefully trying to suppress a religion without brexit giving a wave to the "your racism is okay" crowd. Maybe it's france being fuckwits that's caused it instead.

On that note, what the gently caress is happening in france? They seem to be trying to race trump to the bottom.

EDIT: I mean I know about the terrorist attacks, I'm more wondering why the government's condoning ridiculously blatant religious harassment.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

looks like a solid democratic mandate for tory rule to me

rip ya'll

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

LeoMarr posted:

Isnt it inherenrly disgusting to advocate a party that wont even acknowledge anti semitism when its right in the open? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_love_affair_between_the_british_labour_party_and_adolf_hitler.html

your life is disgusting, you are a parasite and a wretch

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Pop punk maybe

my local pop punk pub just had 20 musicians to play for four hours and are now sucking their own dicks about donating £70 raised in a raffle. They donated nothing.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

As some day it may happen that a scapegoat must be found,
I've got a little list, I've got a little list.
Of counterrevolution'ries who are often in the Graun.
And whose work is frankly piss, I've got them on the list.

There's those whose resignations could replace a metronome,
Whose letters of departure had a sycophantic tone,
Yet now they complain constantly of ev'ry past concern.
A shame they didn't feel the need to mention it in term.
At least their many articles elucidate this twist.
I'm sure they'll not be missed, they'd none of them be missed.

He's got 'em on the list, he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed, they'll none of them be missed.

There's the people who re-run elections 'till their choice prevails,
The drat-ed centr-ists! I've got them on the list!
And what about the people who think that democracy;
Means “disenfranchise anyone who doesn't vote for me”.
Whose disdain for the membership personifies disgrace,
The reciprocity of which must be perceptible from space.
Ensure your criticism of their actions misses home,
Because the most important part of argument is tone.
But don't let use of simile articulate your wish,
We can only copy tories, all those others are dismissed.

You may put 'em on the list, you may put 'em on the list,
And they'd none of 'em be missed, they'd none of them be missed.

The worst are those who think equality begins with wealth,
Democratic socialists! I've got them on the list!
We wouldn't want to win any election with ideas,
That suggest the wealthy's owings might perhaps be in arrears,
We mustn't spend on infrastructure that could have any use,
Nor the myth of nation'l credit cards attempt to disabuse.
It's better to continue like it's nineteen ninety four,
And try to find an ersatz Tony Blair to take the floor,
I'm sure that we'll win them back with “soft left” Owen Smith
Because otherwise we're stuck, with that bearded Bolshevist.

He'll put us on a list, he'll put us on a list,
Like a bloody Stalinist, a bloody Stalinist.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

spectralent posted:

On that note, what the gently caress is happening in france?
Someone stood in front of a mirror and said "sarkoman" five times.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

LeoMarr posted:

Isnt it inherenrly disgusting to advocate a party that wont even acknowledge anti semitism when its right in the open? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_love_affair_between_the_british_labour_party_and_adolf_hitler.html

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3709418&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post443320378

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

spectralent posted:

EDIT: I mean I know about the terrorist attacks, I'm more wondering why the government's condoning ridiculously blatant religious harassment.

Sarkozy went insane after Bataclan. A lot of french people did. He has not recovered.

I'm not joking I think the man is mentally ill and should be immediately removed from position.

A Shitty Reporter
Oct 29, 2012
Dinosaur Gum
Checking in from the US to say I loving envy all of you for having someone as great as Corbyn in politics over there. Shame the majority of your country are racist morons.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

A lovely Reporter posted:

Checking in from the US to say I loving envy all of you for having someone as great as Corbyn in politics over there. Shame the majority of your country are racist morons.

Haha are you making GBS threads me.

Corbyn is supposed to be the man of thebpwople yet he sways them away from truth. You want that here moreso that it already is? We are free from communist interlopers. The UK has been infested with communist nostalgia. Yeah stalin didnt orchestrate a mass genocide before hitler was even jn power or anything like that.



https://www.rt.com/uk/357790-brexit-vote-class-divide/

Man of the people corbyn couldnt inspire the working class. Immediate failure.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

OwlFancier posted:

As some day it may happen that a scapegoat must be found,
I've got a little list, I've got a little list.
Of counterrevolution'ries who are often in the Graun.
And whose work is frankly piss, I've got them on the list.

There's those whose resignations could replace a metronome,
Whose letters of departure had a sycophantic tone,
Yet now they complain constantly of ev'ry past concern.
A shame they didn't feel the need to mention it in term.
At least their many articles elucidate this twist.
I'm sure they'll not be missed, they'd none of them be missed.

He's got 'em on the list, he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed, they'll none of them be missed.

There's the people who re-run elections 'till their choice prevails,
The drat-ed centr-ists! I've got them on the list!
And what about the people who think that democracy;
Means “disenfranchise anyone who doesn't vote for me”.
Whose disdain for the membership personifies disgrace,
The reciprocity of which must be perceptible from space.
Ensure your criticism of their actions misses home,
Because the most important part of argument is tone.
But don't let use of simile articulate your wish,
We can only copy tories, all those others are dismissed.

You may put 'em on the list, you may put 'em on the list,
And they'd none of 'em be missed, they'd none of them be missed.

The worst are those who think equality begins with wealth,
Democratic socialists! I've got them on the list!
We wouldn't want to win any election with ideas,
That suggest the wealthy's owings might perhaps be in arrears,
We mustn't spend on infrastructure that could have any use,
Nor the myth of nation'l credit cards attempt to disabuse.
It's better to continue like it's nineteen ninety four,
And try to find an ersatz Tony Blair to take the floor,
I'm sure that we'll win them back with “soft left” Owen Smith
Because otherwise we're stuck, with that bearded Bolshevist.

He'll put us on a list, he'll put us on a list,
Like a bloody Stalinist, a bloody Stalinist.


Nice.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Also shocked the OP didn't mention any of the sport.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/fighters-grapple-crowned-victorious-world-11816045

Gerald Bisto beat Gravy Boy Smith and Granule Bryan to retain the Big Daddy memorial sauceboat.

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

Tesseraction posted:

Oh come on, GR(TOYL) and Minority weren't that bad.

I agree that American Idiot was the harbinger of punk dying for most of a decade.

I hate Good Riddance, Minority is alright.

Also punk is really healthy at the moment, may I recommend Pears' Green Star, Night Birds' Mutiny at Muscle Beach, Downtown Boys' Full Communism and Red City Radio's self titled album for a variety of great punk albums with different styles from this and last year.

Edit:Didn't read the most of a decade but still if you haven't heard those records check them out.

StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Sep 1, 2016

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

spectralent posted:

I'm aware there's been islamophobia for a long time, but I didn't think I'd get half the country gleefully trying to suppress a religion without brexit giving a wave to the "your racism is okay" crowd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_debate_over_veils

Crashbee
May 15, 2007

Stupid people are great at winning arguments, because they're too stupid to realize they've lost.

LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is supposed to be the man of thebpwople yet he sways them away from truth. You want that here moreso that it already is? We are free from communist interlopers. The UK has been infested with communist nostalgia. Yeah stalin didnt orchestrate a mass genocide before hitler was even jn power or anything like that.

Feel free to return to your planet and leave us Thebpwoplians in peace

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!

LeoMarr posted:

Haha are you making GBS threads me.

Corbyn is supposed to be the man of thebpwople yet he sways them away from truth. You want that here moreso that it already is? We are free from communist interlopers. The UK has been infested with communist nostalgia. Yeah stalin didnt orchestrate a mass genocide before hitler was even jn power or anything like that.



https://www.rt.com/uk/357790-brexit-vote-class-divide/

Man of the people corbyn couldnt inspire the working class. Immediate failure.

Well I'm convinced.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Spangly A posted:

Sarkozy went insane after Bataclan. A lot of french people did. He has not recovered.

I'm not joking I think the man is mentally ill and should be immediately removed from position.

Yeah :smith:


Yeah, I know that happened, just I note there that it was 71% for the veil remaining in 2006.

Though there was a majority for a ban in 2010, gently caress me, this country is awful.

EDIT: I guess compared to 2010 the support for a ban's actually dropped, but still.

spectralent fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Sep 1, 2016

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
Tim Farron I saying the Brexit vote result is making Britain a laughing stock internationally and as leader of the Lib Dems he would know a thing or two about being a laughing stock.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Tesseraction posted:

Yeah I have zero recollection of the post-2001 mood of the UK either.

This really isn't new RE: Muslims. They've been poo poo on repeatedly since 9/11, not since the referendum. This new case is just a response to France's lovely response to a terrorist attack.

I mean blame the Brexit referendum if you want but lol try being a tanned person after 9/11 and claim racism was over until Brexit. I look Arab even to Arabs so I experience pleeeenty of this poo poo and ~surprise~ it's not related to any particular event just media coverage.

I'm sure the referendum campaign didn't help, what with the Turkish hordes, swarms of Syrian migrants that bonkers EU takes in, implying Iraq and Syria will join the EU, all that.

StoneOfShame posted:

Tim Farron I saying the Brexit vote result is making Britain a laughing stock internationally and as leader of the Lib Dems he would know a thing or two about being a laughing stock.

Didn't he also recently say something like the will of the majority has to be respected and therefore we should get on with it w.r.t. Brexit? I mean he's Tim Farron so who cares, but EU is like the only thing libdems have going for them and I distinctly remember him saying something along those lines.

e: could've been Owen Smith flipflopping instead, I get them mixed up a lot lately

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 1, 2016

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Adam Vegas
Apr 14, 2013



LeoMarr posted:

Haha are you making GBS threads me.

Corbyn is supposed to be the man of thebpwople yet he sways them away from truth. You want that here moreso that it already is? We are free from communist interlopers. The UK has been infested with communist nostalgia. Yeah stalin didnt orchestrate a mass genocide before hitler was even jn power or anything like that.



https://www.rt.com/uk/357790-brexit-vote-class-divide/

Man of the people corbyn couldnt inspire the working class. Immediate failure.

Nobody here cares what you have to say. gently caress off, fascist.

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