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 What a crazy month August was. With Congress off on vacation and Donald Trump collapsed at the beginning of the month, there was plenty of anti-Arzying to go around. At least until his "convincing" Immigration speech at the end. But now things are getting real, with the return of Congress and the elections coming soon, there's plenty of news still to come. Just remember:
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Let's see how Trump does in one month.
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Sep 1, 2016 08:03
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Hail Satan! Just wanted to ruin everyone's day and I don't really know where to put this story. Yeah those are tears gently caress you.
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Sep 1, 2016 08:07
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ntan1 posted:Let's see how Trump does in one month. I was going to name this thread USPOL September: The Rehabilitation of Donald J. Trump but changed my mind.
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Sep 1, 2016 08:09
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Can we go back to women crushing watermelons with their thighs? Cause that was good.
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goon evening uspol
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I hope this thread goes better than las-SSNeoman posted:Can we go back to women crushing watermelons with their thighs? never mind
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Sep 1, 2016 08:27
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Will we get Star Wars avs for posting in this thread, too?
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Looking forwards to Trump not literally making GBS threads himself on stage during the debates, which will be declared a tie by the NYT as the desperately try to sell the horse race. Also looking forwards to Kellyanne Conway losing her goddamn mind.
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Trump looked really good yesterday, He was briefly calm and subdued before again embracing the behavior of a mentally disabled pathological liar. He didn't even drop trou on stage and poo poo all over the place. If that's not presidential material what is huh?
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TheOneOutside posted:Looking forwards to Trump not literally making GBS threads himself on stage during the debates, Can he though? He needs to last a full 90 minutes and his debate prep consists of reading conspiracy theories on twitter.
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So what's the deal with the cost of pretty essential medical treatment items (epipens, insulin, certain medicines) suddenly surging over the last two weeks? Haven't been keeping up much. Is it just a Shkreli thing where outside people are coming in, buying the rights to this stuff and jacking the price up because Congress allows them too?
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Pellisworth posted:Check out the SJ Gould article I linked earlier; scientific inquiry and religion occupy separate domains of thought or as he puts it, "magisteria." Pellisworth posted:Atheism is a belief system, which is something internet atheists are unable or unwilling to understand. Atheism is the belief that God(s) don't exist. It is not provable by science or logic. Your "faith" is that there is no God, and that's fine, but recognize it as such. You can try a retreat to "separate magisterium" if you like, but I'm not going to ignore the simple fact that many religions do make claims that ought to be testable. Not to mention that for many thousands of years these claims were taken very seriously and that doubting them in some cases could get you killed. Religion is steeped in explaining away "this is how the world actually works" and if you're going to deny that, then I don't even know where to start. I mean, I'd say "a loving history book" but I'd probably need to explain what a history book is? Religions both historically and to this day try to make claims about how things are, and ought to be, and the only reason that anyone has to talk about separate magisteria these days is because the scientific method came along 400 years ago and absolutely wrecked religion's poo poo as a way to understand the universe and predict behavior. The scientific method doesn't exist alongside religion, it replaces it. If there is cultural inertia to religion, or if the parts of it that are not about how the universe came to be and functions, are important to some people or form an important part of how certain societies function, then that is a separate issue. We're better off with good old fashioned humanism and social psychology, of course, but that's a separate argument and I'm not going to get into it here. But to suggest atheism requires faith, as you have, or to say "agnosticism is the most intellectually honest position" is in fact intellectually dishonest as hell. I can think up any number of far-fetched schemes to get the universe into the state it is in today, including "the universe popped into existence in this state five seconds ago for no reason" and we could all try to measure how full of poo poo that is - but to insist that in the case of a divine creator we must withhold judgement because it could be true, guys, you just don't know, okay? is putting that particular belief above all the other evidence-free confabulations for no reason at all other than historical baggage, which is really unscientific.
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Axetrain posted:Trump looked really good yesterday, He was briefly calm and subdued before again embracing the behavior of a mentally disabled pathological liar. He didn't even drop trou on stage and poo poo all over the place. If that's not presidential material what is huh? Kilroy posted:But to suggest atheism requires faith, as you have, or to say "agnosticism is the most intellectually honest position" is in fact intellectually dishonest as hell. I can think up any number of far-fetched schemes to get the universe into the state it is in today, including "the universe popped into existence in this state five seconds ago for no reason" and we could all try to measure how full of poo poo that is - but to insist that in the case of a divine creator we must withhold judgement because it could be true, guys, you just don't know, okay? is putting that particular belief above all the other evidence-free confabulations for no reason at all other than historical baggage, which is really unscientific. There's certainly more than one atheism out there.
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Sep 1, 2016 08:59
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Kilroy posted:Um, again what are you going on about? I'm not getting it. You posted this: Atheism requires faith since it has a premise that is impossible to support by evidence. Atheism isn't backed by science, it isn't backed by empiricism and can never be. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Atheism requires faith since it has a premise that is impossible to support by evidence.
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Kilroy posted:Okay, so does the belief that the universe did not pop into existence suddenly and for no reason five seconds also require this "faith", and if so can you elaborate on what faith actually is? Yes. Empiricism requires faith to work as well too as you can't use empiricism to prove empiricism.
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Trabisnikof posted:Atheism requires faith since it has a premise that is impossible to support by evidence. actually you're wrong
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes. Empiricism requires faith to work as well too as you can't use empiricism to prove empiricism.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes. Empiricism requires faith to work as well too as you can't use empiricism to prove empiricism. So literally everything requires faith in your mind?
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blowfish posted:actually you're wrong A stunning rebuttal! But which part is wrong, that the non-existence of God isn't provable? Or do you honestly believe that atheism is scientific or backed by empirical evidence?
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Andrast posted:So literally everything requires faith in your mind? I don't believe in platonic truths. Science exists within a realm where we've placed our faith in empiricism and works quite well. blowfish posted:
Lol if you think you have empirical proof about God one way or another.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Hail Satan! Well that's  as gently caressSomehow the gaudy rear end mobile-page ads at the end of the article make it worse.
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By the way just to clear up any confusion this is what I consider atheism, and I'm not interested in arguing whether this is "really" atheism or what. This is what is means to believe god and the supernatural are not real:quote:Bob: I believe a god created everything using his magic.
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Nice OP, Comrade, but I think you may have messed up the order in the recent news section: I suspect the intended meaning was that Milo Yiannopoulos is still an rear end in a top hat who does not matter, rather than the reverse.
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Trump: "I'm going to make Mexico pay for a wall to keep themselves out of the US!" Nieto: "I told him that Mexico won't be paying for a wall." Trump: "We didn't discuss it." Media: "Look how presidential he is!" lol nothing matters, nothing makes sense
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Y'all need to read some Karl Popper, seriously, because this is some Epistemology 101 puerile bullshit. PS. "Weak atheism" and "strong atheism" are already extant definitions, kindly stfu unless you are familiar with the difference
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes. Empiricism requires faith to work as well too as you can't use empiricism to prove empiricism.
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*tries to build a technological civilization on the back of the assumption that π = 3, fails miserably* *finally unfucks himself and starts doing things that make some sense* Trabisnikof posted:nice work retard, you're no better than the creationists
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Mezzanine posted:Trump: "I'm going to make Mexico pay for a wall to keep themselves out of the US!" In order to stay sane I have to believe that this is just the longest, most expensive, and darkest performance art piece done by man. And in true Andy Kaufman style Trump will never give the audience the satisfaction of admitting it was just an act.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Y'all need to read some Karl Popper, seriously, because this is some Epistemology 101 puerile bullshit.
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Sep 1, 2016 09:34
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't believe in platonic truths. The assertion that god exists isn't different from every other wild-rear end claim you could make, and nobody asks for empirical proof of unicorn farts not existing either.
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We're 9 weeks away from Hillary being elected  of us all. Post leftist anthems (that should be national ones). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnEAH5wCzo
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I actually have a position in this argument about atheism, but I would rather not poo poo up an unrelated thread with it.
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I don't get how the atheist discussion is relevant to American politics since we're at least another decade away from having an open atheist in high office. We'll have a gay Muslim president before we have an atheist one.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I don't get how the atheist discussion is relevant to American politics since we're at least another decade away from having an open atheist in high office. We'll have a gay Muslim president before we have an atheist one. Hillary's an open atheist???
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Sep 1, 2016 09:53
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athiests are the true persecuted minority in america!! athiest goons!!! like me!!!!
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Luna Was Here posted:So what's the deal with the cost of pretty essential medical treatment items (epipens, insulin, certain medicines) suddenly surging over the last two weeks? Haven't been keeping up much. Is it just a Shkreli thing where outside people are coming in, buying the rights to this stuff and jacking the price up because Congress allows them too? It's not a sudden thing, it's been happening for decades. Private healthcare, at every level - from pharmaceuticals to the payment system to the doctors themselves - is ethically bankrupt and full to the brim with moral hazards that economically incentivize people to literally corner dying people on drugs and treatment they 100% need in order to turn a greater profit. Until we kill for-profit medical care we'll continue to have problems like this.
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Oh boy we're going to plunge down the rabbit hole of solipsism to justify a claim that not believing in your religion is 'faith', I can't wait. "But how do you know that telescope you're looking through even exists?.... Because you have faith??  " :smirks freshmanly:
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Lightning Knight posted:It's not a sudden thing, it's been happening for decades. Private healthcare, at every level - from pharmaceuticals to the payment system to the doctors themselves - is ethically bankrupt and full to the brim with moral hazards that economically incentivize people to literally corner dying people on drugs and treatment they 100% need in order to turn a greater profit. Until we kill for-profit medical care we'll continue to have problems like this. So what's the solution to for-profit medical care? Putting it all under the government? And can't most of these drugs be imported from Europe or are the high profile ones (namely the insulin and the epi-pens) only made by the specific companies that are jacking the prices up?
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