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NEW OP The resistance against the Dakota Access Pipeline began in the spring of 2016 in reaction to the approved construction of Energy Transfer Partners' Dakota Access Pipeline. The approved pipeline would run from the Bakken oil fields in western North Dakota to southern Illinois, crossing beneath the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, as well as part of Lake Oahe near the Standing Rock Indian Reservation. In April, LaDonna Brave Bull Allard, a Standing Rock Sioux elder, established a camp as a center for cultural preservation and spiritual resistance to the pipeline. Said camp is now under threat from eviction, with a no-fly zone being established in preparation for further military action against the camp next week. Backstory In September 2014, Standing Rock Sioux Tribal (SRST) Councilman Dave Archambault II conducted an initial informational meeting between the SRST and Dakota Access Pipeline representatives. At the beginning of the meeting, Archambault indicated the tribe's opposition to the project within treaty boundaries. Additional SRST representatives voiced opposition and concerns about the pipeline. In July 2016, the tribe sued for an injunction on the grounds that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had failed to conduct a proper environmental and cultural impact study. Protests had escalated at the pipeline site in North Dakota, with numbers swelling from just a bare handful of people to hundreds and then thousands over the summer. On August 23, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe released a list of 87 tribal governments who wrote resolutions, proclamations and letters of support stating their solidarity with Standing Rock and the Sioux people. Since then, many more Native American organizations, politicians, environmental groups and civil rights groups have joined the effort in North Dakota, including the Black Lives Matter movement, indigenous leaders from the Amazon Basin of South America, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the 2016 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and her running mate Ajamu Baraka, and many more. The Washington Post called it a "National movement for Native Americans." A full timeline can be found here As of September, this was the largest gathering of native americans ever, bringing together over ninety tribes, many of whom are traditional enemies. What is the protest about, really? Water, sovereignty and anti-repression. The tribes have historically gotten the shortest conceivable end of the US stick, and most are both worried that their water supply will be contaminated, their ancestral graves desecrated, and that they will once again be murdered to secure the bottom line of white executives. The legal history is complicated, but given the history between the federal government and native populations, they have no reason to expect fair play. If you come into this thread to wave your legal and/or police boner, please read this Stickarts posted:What I think that article shows above all else is the dysfunction that exists between First Nations and the federal jurisdictions they find themselves under. Everyone in this thread sussing and tut tutting about the letter of law are being willfully blind to the violent and genocidal history that those laws were formed in and bound to. A law is only as effective as the degrees of trust and good faith the people impacted by it have in it. ...this article by the Smithsonian: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ulysses-grant-launched-illegal-war-plains-indians-180960787/ ..and then maybe  if you still want to talk poo poo! How do I help? Check out this article for a rundown: http://www.papermag.com/how-to-support-nodapl-protestors-2072880726.html Tias fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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All that genocide business and treaty breaking and hunting buffalo to near extinction is in the paaaaast, it's time for Indians to sh 
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Is this part of the deal that McCain made in 2014 or is this another bit of bullshit?
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Sep 5, 2016 15:00
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Yawgmoft posted:Is this part of the deal that McCain made in 2014 or is this another bit of bullshit? That was in Arizona, this is in North Dakota.
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It appears to be another bit of bullshit, though it has two websites detailing everything about the project, there are no points of origin, only long lists of backers..
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SimonCat posted:That was in Arizona, this is in North Dakota. Christ this country is pathetic. No one seems to care either- though that could just be a symptom of the lack of media coverage, after all the negative reactions to BLM I'm not willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Sep 5, 2016 15:23
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Democracynow had a video crew on site, showing the use of force by corporate security forces.
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Sep 5, 2016 18:53
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I've been seeing quite a few articles posted about this by activists on my feed, and not a lot anywhere else I get news. Here's some pictures along with an article. Here's another article about some more details about the pipeline. And a short bit mentioning the desecration of burial sites and an emergency motion the tribe filed to stop the pipe. Here's a white house petition if you enjoy yelling at the wind.
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Going by google news, yesterday the protests "turned violent." NPR quotes only the local sheriff in their story, who says the protest was more of a riot. Only democracynow, commondreams, and something called collectiveevolution seem to be using any language other than "protest turned violent."
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I've seen more coverage given to inured K-9s than to any of the injuries inflicted on the protestors.
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Sep 5, 2016 23:18
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Apparently they are waiting on a federal ruling that is coming this week? Anyone know about this?
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moller posted:Going by google news, yesterday the protests "turned violent." NPR quotes only the local sheriff in their story, who says the protest was more of a riot. Well, they would. NA protestors placed themselves on their own land, and refused to budge - this is what corporate security, going on orders to secure the site for development, consider violence. (Collective-evolution is a dumb woo site, for the love of all that's holy ignore their dumb poo poo) E: According to the sheriff's office: quote:"Once protestors arrived at the construction area, they broke down a wire fence by stepping and jumping on it," the sheriff's office said. "According to numerous witnesses within five minutes the crowd of protestors, estimated to be a few hundred people became violent. They stampeded into the construction area with horses, dogs and vehicles." Personally I think they're quite justified in driving off the workers, but YMMV. im gay posted:Apparently they are waiting on a federal ruling that is coming this week? Anyone know about this? Sorry, no. Last I heard is that the protestors tried to get some sort of government interference on the case, perhaps that is it.
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Its amazing how little press this has been getting. Its been going on a while, since April at least. Jill Stein and her VP dude are there today or yesterday. Its fair to point out that the protesters have been vandalizing equipment and Corporate security using attack dogs is pretty loving disgusting. Have an interesting article about stuffs going on there. One thing I can't seem to find is what private security company they use? Is it their own in house private security? It looks like a judge has just halted construction of the pipeline. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Story on front page ap. No details on the "confrontation" though. The Latest: Tribal leader says sacred places still at risk: http://bigstory.ap.org/df8cc74415e745db94da88fcabd5e30f&utm_source=android_app&utm_medium=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=share
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Tias posted:If anyone knows more about the events at Standing Rock, I know a couple protesters but haven't heard anything that isn't in the news already. Things could potentially get pretty ugly, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident edit: I forgot there was a Native American militia called GOONs quote:The rate of violence climbed on the reservation as conflict opened between political factions in the following three years; residents accused Wilson's private militia, Guardians of the Oglala Nation (GOONs), of much of it.
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it would be much appreciated!
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Here's Jill vandalizing some construction equipment.
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Thread deserves some Two Bulls.
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I have an old boss who runs a local history blog called the first scout. He posted a tongue in cheek entry regarding historical sites in the area of the pipeline and the ND Historical Society warned him to edit his post or risk violating state law. I'll try to find it later, but the review of the history at that construction site was rather lousy. It had no experts weighing in and was missing some pieces. And is it just me, or has NPR's reporting on the topic been spectacularly bad?
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LiterallyTheWurst posted:I have an old boss who runs a local history blog called the first scout. He posted a tongue in cheek entry regarding historical sites in the area of the pipeline and the ND Historical Society warned him to edit his post or risk violating state law. I'll try to find it later, but the review of the history at that construction site was rather lousy. It had no experts weighing in and was missing some pieces. I'm not in the US, so not really in a position to judge seeing as I haven't used NPR before. That said, it seems to be getting outrageously little coverage compared to the Oregon militia nuts.
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Tias posted:I'm not in the US, so not really in a position to judge seeing as I haven't used NPR before. That said, it seems to be getting outrageously little coverage compared to the Oregon militia nuts. Bundy and Co took over an actual federal facility and threatened direct violence against law enforcement. They were also nutso but that tends to draw memories to Waco. They represented a clear, easy, and somewhat exciting narrative; look how enthralled d&d was. WaPo had this on their front page earlier today and the quotes from the various sides, assuming the reporting is complete enough, did a poor job of convincing which side was more correct, at least in terms of the project itself.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-dakota-pipeline-tribe_us_57cf3702e4b03d2d4597288f?section Looks like a judge has gotten the company to halt construction temporarily, until a more detailed decision comes out.
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More importantly, what could I do to support the Natives?
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Zachack posted:Bundy and Co took over an actual federal facility and threatened direct violence against law enforcement. They were also nutso but that tends to draw memories to Waco. They represented a clear, easy, and somewhat exciting narrative; look how enthralled d&d was. It is weird how literally saying you're going to shoot up FBI agents and marshals is basically OK as long as you're a white male. This country is pretty hosed up.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:It is weird how literally saying you're going to shoot up FBI agents and marshals is basically OK as long as you're a white male. This country is pretty hosed up. well, all those occupiers are in the middle of being sentenced right now
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ya but they aren't being sentenced to death by getting shot in the face while they're unarmed running away i think is the point
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LiterallyTheWurst posted:And is it just me, or has NPR's reporting on the topic been spectacularly bad? NPR's reporting on most things that could be considered controversial is really bad (not that there are many better TV/radio alternatives). I imagine this might be partly due to the extent to which they rely on large donors from across the political spectrum (so it's better to play it safe and avoid upsetting anyone). The only political demographic they don't seem to mind upsetting is social conservatives, but when it comes to mainstream right-wing economic policy you can't expect much from them.
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Ytlaya posted:NPR's reporting on most things that could be considered controversial is really bad (not that there are many better TV/radio alternatives). I imagine this might be partly due to the extent to which they rely on large donors from across the political spectrum (so it's better to play it safe and avoid upsetting anyone). The only political demographic they don't seem to mind upsetting is social conservatives, but when it comes to mainstream right-wing economic policy you can't expect much from them. I think it's like playing for teams. As long as you do certain things in a certain way then things are fine. Like NBC vs FOX ideals instead of labor protests and land rights violations.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:More importantly, what could I do to support the Natives? Something I'd like to know as well. I'm still loving pissed about the Iowa Utilities Board being all a-okay with using eminent domain seizures for the Bakken pipeline across Iowa. Eminent domain is not meant to prop up private loving industries over the general public.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:More importantly, what could I do to support the Natives? Echoing this question. From what I have read, this is so far beyond the pale I still have trouble believing it actually happened. I can't even begin to process how to help the situation besides "stop fuckers from siccing dogs on protestors".
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"These poor people have suffered so much at our hands, we should leave them in pea- what they're minorly inconveniencing the rich? gently caress them bring out the dogs."
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:More importantly, what could I do to support the Natives? The construction site and protesters are extremely in the middle of nowhere so it's hard to do something material to directly support them. Post about it on your social media, raise awareness, donate to charities which benefit development and education on reservations.
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Regarding the pipeline itself, I'm not sure. As Pellisworth says, it's such a remote location that directly participating in the blockade is impossible for most of us.
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Tias posted:Regarding the pipeline itself, I'm not sure. As Pellisworth says, it's such a remote location that directly participating in the blockade is impossible for most of us. Also, the protestors may or may not be interested in you as a (likely) white urban forums poster supporting them. Native Americans in the region have a history of being extremely prideful and hardcore when protesting, again see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident But they tend to be firmly in the "gently caress white people and the US government forever" camp for very legitimate reasons. It's not that aid isn't appreciated, but the Lakota and other Plains Indian tribes really loving hate the federal government and by extension white people who forced their current lovely life situation on them. The best you can do is respect their culture and sovereignty and donate to funds that improve education and jobs so Native Americans can advance in society and return to benefit their tribes. If you want to help out, donate a few bucks to charities that send Native Americans to college, and go nuts on social media to raise awareness. The fundamental obstacle most Native groups run into in these situations is that they're a tiny fraction of the population and no one in the larger media gives a poo poo. Edit: for context I grew up on a Lakota reservation which is well-represented in the protests. This clip is a great distillation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZcx2zEo4k&t=340s That's what a native speaker sounds like and they are completely willing to fight. Edit2: for what it's worth, a lot of arguments from the protesters are about water quality. "Mni" in Lakota means water, Minnesota, Minneapolis, and many other place names are derived from that. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Tias posted:Regarding the pipeline itself, I'm not sure. As Pellisworth says, it's such a remote location that directly participating in the blockade is impossible for most of us. I've seen a few donation links being shared in my Facebook feed. I can't speak to this first one and whether it is legit. It is reportedly a legal Defense fund for the sacred stone camp. https://fundrazr.com/d19fAf This gofundme for the camp has been around for months, and I've heard no complaints from Facebook friends. https://www.gofundme.com/sacredstonecamp If you're going to donate items, they have a page with requested items http://sacredstonecamp.org/supply-list/. Cold weather gear is a big one, there are several out of state protestors at the camp who don't know what they're getting into.
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LiterallyTheWurst posted:Cold weather gear is a big one, there are several out of state protestors at the camp who don't know what they're getting into. I need to check out this charity but if it seems legit this is probably one of the best to donate to, winters in the Dakotas are brutal and if the occupation and protest are to continue they'll need a winter encampment. edit: removed some dumb ranty poo poo Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Tias posted:I'm not in the US, so not really in a position to judge seeing as I haven't used NPR before. That said, it seems to be getting outrageously little coverage compared to the Oregon militia nuts. This thread has less posts in 3 days than the militia thread had in 3 minutes. Media these days reacts to what people are talking about and not even d&d seems to care much. Buckwheat Sings posted:It is weird how literally saying you're going to shoot up FBI agents and marshals is basically OK as long as you're a white male. This country is pretty hosed up. Actually one of the militia were killed and the rest are getting the book thrown at them. What a complete travesty of justice that is  I don't think you could chose a worse comparison if you tried.
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tsa posted:This thread has less posts in 3 days than the militia thread had in 3 minutes. Media these days reacts to what people are talking about and not even d&d seems to care much. Obviously the National Guard should have autocannoned the militia and rolled over tarp man in an APC.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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tsa posted:This thread has less posts in 3 days than the militia thread had in 3 minutes. Media these days reacts to what people are talking about and not even d&d seems to care much. The story doesn't fit into the election narrative, or an of the larger left vs. right narratives - petrochemical companies are proudly bipartisan. Also, this kind of direct action protest is usually directed against something the government is doing, not a private interest. No amount of suffering will appeal to the better natures of a publicly traded corporation unless it becomes a PR disaster, which it is unlikely to do because the media doesn't care.
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It'd certainly make a great curve ball to throw in a debate, but I doubt any "major" American media organization will want to show that nothing's really changed in over 200 years. 
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Crabtree posted:It'd certainly make a great curve ball to throw in a debate, but I doubt any "major" American media organization will want to show that nothing's really changed in over 200 years. That would require the media remembering that Native Americans are still a thing at all.
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